AphroditeLaydee 1,230 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Troy was just there for Gaga's commercial viability, and Gaga just doesn't want phony people around her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delulu Rogers 7,088 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, AphroditeLaydee said: IDK where you got that Applause was seen as "successful" nah, even in August of 2013, she was already labelled as a flop especially because of Katy and Roar dominating. They were pit against each other and there was so much backlash against Gaga simply because she underperformed--there was so much bad press at that time. Remember Angela Cheng? Yeah, people actually believed some of that sh*te. Also, does no one in this site remember what Gaga herself kept saying during the era? Watch Swinefest or the Roseland ballroom live stream--she thought Troy was a real friend and turns out just treated her like a cash cow. Gaga even kept mentioning that none of the people she thought were her real friends were there after her surgery (with strong implications she means Troy). And yes, on paper, Applause actually was very successful--it just wasn't seen that way by the press and the general public. Wasn’t applause her biggest radio hit ever or something like that? I remember the roar vs applause fiasco but never thought that was reason to separate from her. I think the theory of them not caring about her wellness during her surgery and only caring about money is much more likely to be the root of all the drama than ARTPOP’s reception. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsieurRed 299 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 22 minutes ago, AphroditeLaydee said: IDK where you got that Applause was seen as "successful" nah, even in August of 2013, she was already labelled as a flop especially because of Katy and Roar dominating. They were pit against each other and there was so much backlash against Gaga simply because she underperformed--there was so much bad press at that time. Remember Angela Cheng? Yeah, people actually believed some of that sh*te. Also, does no one in this site remember what Gaga herself kept saying during the era? Watch Swinefest or the Roseland ballroom live stream--she thought Troy was a real friend and turns out just treated her like a cash cow. Gaga even kept mentioning that none of the people she thought were her real friends were there after her surgery (with strong implications she means Troy). And yes, on paper, Applause actually was very successful--it just wasn't seen that way by the press and the general public. This is accurate. And ARTPOP wasn’t projected to sell well. It’s why Troy left like a week before the album released. She was set up to fail though because BTW did so well with its album and tour, that was always going to be tough to follow up. He left her for what he thought was the next best thing Meghan Trainor and streaming/spotify. 🧚♀️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AphroditeLaydee 1,230 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, Delulu Rogers said: Wasn’t applause her biggest radio hit ever or something like that? I remember the roar vs applause fiasco but never thought that was reason to separate from her. I think the theory of them not caring about her wellness during her surgery and only caring about money is much more likely to be the root of all the drama than ARTPOP’s reception. Applause is her biggest radio hit--and really, Applause is a hit. As I said, it really is a hit on paper but sadly it just wasn't seen that way especially because the media really pit her HARD against Katy at that time. Not to mention the feuds with Perez and Kelly Osbourne--and the lawsuit with Gaga's assistant Jennifer. For some reason the whole world decided they hated Gaga. I even had to stop googling Gaga at the time because there was so much horrible things being written about her. Applause was seen as a flop and pretentious by many, sadly. So many people came for her (remember that Adam Levine tweet?) Which is why I don't also really blame Gaga if she wants to move on from ARTPOP. I love the album and that was my first Gaga era, but I wish it didn't mess Gaga up that much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AphroditeLaydee 1,230 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Just now, monsieurRed said: This is accurate. And ARTPOP wasn’t projected to sell well. It’s why Troy left like a week before the album released. She was set up to fail though because BTW did so well with its album and tour, that was always going to be tough to follow up. He left her for what he thought was the next best thing Meghan Trainor and streaming/spotify. Yes!! I remember ARTPOP was only projected to sell around 500k at first week, which was seen by many as a downgrade especially since Born This Way sold 1M+. Then ARTPOP actually only sold around 200K... it was messy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilyLark 9,968 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 TBH there's probably some truth to both sides, although Troy probably did Gaga more wrong imo. Troy basically implied in an interview that Gaga was the one who ended their relationship and Gaga said Troy treated her like a cash cow and ended their working relationship. Some fans tend to overlook that Gaga was a hot f*cking mess around that time and probably was difficult to work with ...at the same time some of the people she worked with were terrible. For example, the wealthy white assistant she briefly had who compared having to fetch Gaga food (which is typical of an assistant) to slave labor (white people should never compare their work to slave labor) and sued her. Also, allegedly some people on her team were really against the Terry Richardson/R. Kelly thing but Gaga insisted. On the other hand, her touring schedule was insane...normal tours have around 60..maybe 80 dates...the BTWB had like 100 dates. The Monster Ball Tour was even more extreme. All of that points towards Troy treating her like a cash cow, especially as she wasn't particularly healthy. Moreover, Troy used to manage Eve and it ended messily (I believe there were probably NDAs signed, but I remember when Gaga and Troy parted ways some of the articles mentioned his parting with Eve). So the fact he had a messy parting with a previous client again goes towards Tory probably not being the best manager.... Also, it's not uncommon for managers to abandon clients once they lose their "sheen" & at the time people thought Meghan Trainor was going to be the next big thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awakened M 3,018 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Cersei Lannister said: Because she was nothing but a plastic doll to him. He played with her and it hurt her Coming from THE Lannister herself, says something. I'm not getting any sleep tonight because I woke up to a beautiful life. I'm awake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KindnessPunk 1,842 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Sadly we might not ever know the truth. Gaga mentioned that for legal reasons she can’t disclose what happened...which is wrong on Troy’s part since he was the one that left her. Bobby was already working for the Haus before all this happened (i think he was Troy’s assistant?) I wonder if Gaga and Troy seen each other since... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KindnessPunk 1,842 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 29 minutes ago, LilyLark said: Some fans tend to overlook that Gaga was a hot f*cking mess around that time and probably was difficult to work with ^This!! Gaga was surrounded by so many toxic people at the time that, IMO, enabled some of her old bad habits. I recently watched her Gagavisions from the ARTPOP era and it’s crazy to see how much she’s matured from then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yes and 4,884 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 The situation is quite ambiguous. As far as I remember from their words, Gaga mentioned that he betrayed her or sth, while Troy said that he was fired without a proper explanation. Obviously, their relationship became too intense due to ARTPOP's backlash. So that's why they mainly separated. It's so silly of most fans here to blame Troy for everything when he was just a part of the whole story. Did you think I'd show up in a limousine? No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Very Gaga Holida 22,314 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 She became one of the most hated people in the world, and he didn't have the courage or love her enough to stay with her Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSunset 204 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 5 hours ago, AphroditeLaydee said: Remember Angela Cheng? Oh god wasn't that one of p**ez's fakes? There was one other too but angela was that bih at that time.Until she got exposed to be not even existing of course Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AphroditeLaydee 1,230 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jung Hoseok said: Oh god wasn't that one of p**ez's fakes? There was one other too but angela was that bih at that time.Until she got exposed to be not even existing of course Yep, I think there were three of them and Angela's the only one who I remember because her face became a mini meme around that time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennywise 35,879 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 32 minutes ago, AphroditeLaydee said: Yep, I think there were three of them and Angela's the only one who I remember because her face became a mini meme around that time So long ggd, it was nice while it lasted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AphroditeLaydee 1,230 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, Pennywise said: ojflawqkdlakdlask ive been avoiding this for so long skdjaskljda war flashbacks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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