GoneGUY 858 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 I'm pretty sure it's the same film, they just got Party as a director now, no? I could be wrong but I was pretty sure it was another ASIB situation where directors changed so the entire direction changed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyniildisk 12,689 Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, GoneGUY said: I'm pretty sure it's the same film, they just got Party as a director now, no? I could be wrong but I was pretty sure it was another ASIB situation where directors changed so the entire direction changed? Did you read the article? This film will Gal Gadot had that woman as director, and the other one they still discussing between James Cameron, Dave Fyncher and Denis and both are 100% separate projects Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino 12 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, slayo said: Gaga should not get the Cleopatra role. Cleopatra was not a white woman, this film would be very bad for Gaga's image. As several users have pointed out, Cleopatra was white. Natives weren't in control of Egypt in that time period and I think casting a black actress would actually serve to do a disservice to understanding exactly how far back white people tried their hardest to subjugate black people and rob them of what was theirs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born This Way 1,789 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 I don't think Denis Villeneuve is making a Cleopatra movie anytime soon, he's trying to turn Dune into a successful movie series. Run run with her top down baby she flies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyniildisk 12,689 Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, Born This Way said: I don't think Denis Villeneuve is making a Cleopatra movie anytime soon, he's trying to turn Dune into a successful movie series. He directed arrival and blade runner almost at the same time, but thank you for ur concern, also Dune will flop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born This Way 1,789 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Just now, Dulo Peep said: He directed arrival and blade runner almost at the same time, but thank you for ur concern, also Dune will flop I mean I want it to happen, I'd love Gaga playing Cleopatra in an extravagant movie made by him. I think Dune is gonna do poorly too. I'll see it but it doesn't look that appealing. Run run with her top down baby she flies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFRatwell 23,290 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, Nino said: As several users have pointed out, Cleopatra was white. Natives weren't in control of Egypt in that time period and I think casting a black actress would actually serve to do a disservice to understanding exactly how far back white people tried their hardest to subjugate black people and rob them of what was theirs. Just in general too how Egyptians have been under control by other empires for like half of its history The Persian Empire, the Greek Empire, the Roman Empire, the Islamic Empire, the Ottoman Empire, the British Empire. Egyptians never got a break Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 52,780 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 38 minutes ago, Blastertoyo said: If Ariel can be black, Cleopatra can be black (again) too Not you comparing a fictional character that never had her race described, to a real historical and influential figure.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijahfan 26,281 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Wait, where is this whole science fiction Cleopatra idea coming from? Is this just @Dulo Peep fantasizing? Because I'm fairly sure Denis Villeneuve's project is meant to be pretty straightforward. Also, you gotta love Hollywood for that kind of stuff... they literally had decades to finally make that Cleopatra movie, and now we're getting 2 at the same time And each studio will blame the other in case of underperformance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyniildisk 12,689 Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 Just now, elijahfan said: Wait, where is this whole science fiction Cleopatra idea coming from? Is this just @Dulo Peep fantasizing? Because I'm fairly sure Denis Villeneuve's project is meant to be pretty straightforward. Also, you gotta love Hollywood for that kind of stuff... they literally had decades to finally make that Cleopatra movie, and now we're getting 2 at the same time And each studio will blame the other in case of underperformance. in early reports was mentioned that the vision he have was a science fiction, political thriller. Wish is pretty common and straightforward? i mean, Cleopatras life already includes a lot of politics, thriller? well, of course, there is assasinations, science fiction? why not, that is what the director is well known for. I am not "fantasizing" stop being condescending Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijahfan 26,281 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dulo Peep said: in early reports was mentioned that the vision he have was a science fiction, political thriller. Wish is pretty common and straightforward? i mean, Cleopatras life already includes a lot of politics, thriller? well, of course, there is assasinations, science fiction? why not, that is what the director is well known for. I am not "fantasizing" stop being condescending I have never seen any report of Denis Villeneuve's Cleopatra being science fiction, I was literally just asking a question. The guy loving the genre doesn't mean that's the only thing he can do: being under the impression he's only directing big budget science fiction movies feels like his career started in 2016... Maybe people should take a look at the 7 movies he did before that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyniildisk 12,689 Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 Just now, elijahfan said: I have never seen any report of Denis Villeneuve's Cleopatra being science fiction, I was literally just asking a question. The guy loving the genre doesn't mean that's the only thing he can do: you being under the impression he's only directing big budget science fiction movies feels like you believe his career started in 2016... Maybe take a look at the 7 movies he did before that well i am not going to look for those articles just for you right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagaforgaga2010 120 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 As someone who has studied the Ptolemies and their dynasty, it is widely accepted the Cleopatra would have been what we would call "Mediterranean". She was the fruit of pure intermarriage of Macedonian-Greek conquerors who ruled Alexandria. Many use her sister, Arsinoe, as proof that there was sub-Saharan African lineage, but this is not so. It is very plausible that Arsinoe had a completely different mother than her brothers and sisters as Ptolemies took many consorts and wives. For two children to be considered full siblings, the only thing that needed to be shared was the father. If that father happened to be Pharaoh, then you were in line for the throne no matter who your mother was- this practice made for gruesome and terrible practices throughout the entire history of the Royal family. Cleopatra was also not so beautiful. She is reported to have a long hooked nose and light/olive complexion with dark hair. What made her fascinating to most was her mind and her wealth. She is still considered to be one of the richest people in history before adjusting for inflation. After several children, she grew soft (some say fat), and only became the thin waif we are used to seeing after locking herself in her Mausoleum. But to sum it up: Cleo wasn't Lily white, but she was definitely European. She was not black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijahfan 26,281 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Dulo Peep said: well i am not going to look for those articles just for you right? We're on a forum, aren't we meant to discuss things? I don't know what's going on with you but I won't be your scapegoat for the evening, so I suggest you jump on someone else's back if you want to act all salty. I was literally just asking a question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyniildisk 12,689 Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 Just now, gagaforgaga2010 said: As someone who has studied the Ptolemies and their dynasty, it is widely accepted the Cleopatra would have been what we would call "Mediterranean". She was the fruit of pure intermarriage of Macedonian-Greek conquerors who ruled Alexandria. Many use her sister, Arsinoe, as proof that there was sub-Saharan African lineage, but this is not so. It is very plausible that Arsinoe had a completely different mother than her brothers and sisters as Ptolemies took many consorts and wives. For two children to be considered full siblings, the only thing that needed to be shared was the father. If that father happened to be Pharaoh, then you were in line for the throne no matter who your mother was- this practice made for gruesome and terrible practices throughout the entire history of the Royal family. Cleopatra was also not so beautiful. She is reported to have a long hooked nose and light/olive complexion with dark hair. What made her fascinating to most was her mind and her wealth. She is still considered to be one of the richest people in history before adjusting for inflation. After several children, she grew soft (some say fat), and only became the thin waif we are used to seeing after locking herself in her Mausoleum. But to sum it up: Cleo wasn't Lily white, but she was definitely European. She was not black. so, your conclussion as someone who studied ptolomeous and their dinasties, Gaga is perfectly apropiate for the role right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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