Teletubby 149,880 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, StrawberryBlond said: I said the cast weren't wearing masks there is interview with Sia Zami where he told they had to wear masks on set : https://www.papermag.com/sia-zami-interview-lady-gaga-911-video-2647857678.html?rebelltitem=16#rebelltitem16 "You b*tch!" ~ Rat Boy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley 9,512 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: I didn't say that at all. I said the cast weren't wearing masks (which is a fact we can clearly observe, of course I can't speak for the backstage crew). Not overly clear but that's what I meant. Weirdly, I see this a lot in backstage footage - the crew are mostly wearing masks but some aren't, which is so odd. And people are assuming Lana hasn't been tested or taken no other precautions, etc. I still like to think there was a clear covering inside the mask as there's no reason why she would have pulled it down to talk if it were completely meshed. I've been over this a few times, anyway, I've said my piece, there's only so many more ways I can say it. No, you said no one. Those were literally your exact words I copied. It doesn’t matter if Lana tested negative, though I’m not sure where you got that info. There are false positives and negatives which is why it’s important to just wear a mask, because it works better if both people near each other wear one. It’s also disrespectful to the people working there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,874 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, modern ecstasy said: No, you said no one. Those were literally your exact words I copied. It doesn’t matter if Lana tested negative, though I’m not sure where you got that info. There are false positives and negatives which is why it’s important to just wear a mask, because it works better if both people near each other wear one. It’s also disrespectful to the people working there. By no one, I meant the cast who we could see onscreen. How do I know what the deal was with the crew? Natually, by no one I meant the cast we saw onscreen. It's not my fault you didn't understand what I meant. Her sister said she tested negative just before the event when defending her. As I said before, it's the store that should take the ultimate responsibility for allowing it at most. That's as most as I will say. I'm not going to have a big back and forth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suuus 5,632 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 27 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: I didn't say that at all. I said the cast weren't wearing masks (which is a fact we can clearly observe, of course I can't speak for the backstage crew). Not overly clear but that's what I meant. Weirdly, I see this a lot in backstage footage - the crew are mostly wearing masks but some aren't, which is so odd. And people are assuming Lana hasn't been tested or taken no other precautions, etc. I still like to think there was a clear covering inside the mask as there's no reason why she would have pulled it down to talk if it were completely meshed. I've been over this a few times, anyway, I've said my piece, there's only so many more ways I can say it. They wore masks when not filming and they stayed six away from eachother Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suuus 5,632 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 16 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: By no one, I meant the cast who we could see onscreen. How do I know what the deal was with the crew? Natually, by no one I meant the cast we saw onscreen. It's not my fault you didn't understand what I meant. Her sister said she tested negative just before the event when defending her. As I said before, it's the store that should take the ultimate responsibility for allowing it at most. That's as most as I will say. I'm not going to have a big back and forth. You need to do a little research on what precautions they took when filming 911 video Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueenGaga 3,447 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 4 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said: If you'd done research on her, you'd know she's a liberal who's anti-Trump. I've detailed it on two separate occasions on this thread. People should do a bit of research before saying these things about her. She's made her politics known since 2017. And inter-political relationships can happen and work. If you haven't noticed, Lana really doesn't date people for long and doesn't settle down and she ended things with the cop long before things are what they are now. Some people date based on how they connect with someone, not what their politics are and not all Republicans are evil. I wasn't directing that at you, though. I wish there were more people who could separate art and artist, provided they've never done anything seriously out of line. It would help if you'd put "jk" or something at the end then because you gave no indication that you weren't being serious. I wasn't putting any blame on Gaga, if you'd read what I said carefully. What is with people jumping to conclusions around here? I was just pointing out theat there's a double standard. Of course you just assumed that Gaga took all the right precautions before being mask-less, why not assume it of others? My point was merely that there's double standards when you automatically assume the worst of certain people. In case you haven't noticed, the mask issue is different all over media, there's all different procedures in place. I just assume everyone's been briefed correctly and leave it that, I don't know the inner workings of it all and just mind my own business. I think people are just in a hurry to jump down Lana's throat at the minute and I'm tired of seeing people be so disrespectful of her when there's far worse people you should really be directing criticism at. Hun you’re embarassing yourself. Shooting a video with a team is a controlled environment. Showing up to a Barnes and Nobles is NOT in any way a controlled environment. Plus, Lana isn’t even being dragged that much you’re being overprotective Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueenGaga 3,447 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 54 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: Would I have gone to the event if I were there? Maybe, I'd wear a mask and take hand sanitiser. If she wanted to stand close to me for a photo, again, I'd be wearing a mask, so I wouldn't worry. I'm lucky that I haven't been required to go out basically the entire length of lockdown You were JUST arguing that masks are ineffective and not able to protect one from the virus. Now the narratives changed because somebody asked if you’d go to meet Lana? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StrawberryBlond 14,874 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Suuus said: They wore masks when not filming and they stayed six away from eachother I've already been over this. My point is that people assumed precautions were already in place upon seeing the video and just accepted the fact that no one in it was wearing a mask without a word of complaint. When it's someone who they didn't like, it was a different story. 1 hour ago, QueenGaga said: Hun you’re embarassing yourself. Shooting a video with a team is a controlled environment. Showing up to a Barnes and Nobles is NOT in any way a controlled environment. Plus, Lana isn’t even being dragged that much you’re being overprotective Fair enough point but you don't need to keep saying it. Others have already told me this, it's just dragged on too long at this point. 1 hour ago, QueenGaga said: You were JUST arguing that masks are ineffective and not able to protect one from the virus. Now the narratives changed because somebody asked if you’d go to meet Lana? I didn't say they were ineffective just that they're not 100% foolproof and we even told right at the start of the pandemic that a mask wouldn't be enough. Yet they're now treated as s the best and only form of protecting yourself which I think is odd. But of course it's better than nothing and if you have to go out, it's what you do. I didn't say I wouldn't go out completely unprotected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalLover 16 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said: I've already been over this. My point is that people assumed precautions were already in place upon seeing the video and just accepted the fact that no one in it was wearing a mask without a word of complaint. When it's someone who they didn't like, it was a different story. Gaga has a reputation - a GOOD one. We all assumed she would follow safety measures because she's an intelligent and considerate person. And those assumptions add up - so where's the mystery? I like Lana, but she's in the wrong here. It's that simple. You can be a fan of hers, but admit this was not a good decision and irresponsible, at the same time. 1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said: Fair enough point but you don't need to keep saying it. Others have already told me this, it's just dragged on too long at this point. You don't either, mawma. Accept she's being problematic. She's not being cancelled. 1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said: I didn't say they were ineffective just that they're not 100% foolproof and we even told right at the start of the pandemic that a mask wouldn't be enough. Yet they're now treated as s the best and only form of protecting yourself which I think is odd. But of course it's better than nothing and if you have to go out, it's what you do. I didn't say I wouldn't go out completely unprotected. It's the best we have right now, like you said. So why isn't Ms. Del Rey wearing a proper one? Why does she have to be so cute? Maybe it's for attention, like you said, but that's nothing to admire. It's pretty shameful to be honest. Her judgment is extremely questionable lately - and as a role model for a lot of people, she must know better. This sucks, plain and simple. And like others have said, I don't see her being crucified - just rightly dragged. i don't remember ARTPOP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,874 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 14 hours ago, HeavyMetalLover said: Gaga has a reputation - a GOOD one. We all assumed she would follow safety measures because she's an intelligent and considerate person. And those assumptions add up - so where's the mystery? I like Lana, but she's in the wrong here. It's that simple. You can be a fan of hers, but admit this was not a good decision and irresponsible, at the same time. You don't either, mawma. Accept she's being problematic. She's not being cancelled. It's the best we have right now, like you said. So why isn't Ms. Del Rey wearing a proper one? Why does she have to be so cute? Maybe it's for attention, like you said, but that's nothing to admire. It's pretty shameful to be honest. Her judgment is extremely questionable lately - and as a role model for a lot of people, she must know better. This sucks, plain and simple. And like others have said, I don't see her being crucified - just rightly dragged. And Lana doesn't generally have a good reputation? It's hard to say she's in the wrong here without looking like you're joining in the hate bandwagon and I don't want to be a part of that. I wanted to be someone to give the benefit of the doubt and not take things to the extent everyone else was doing. I stated my opinion once and everyone else replied to it, so I had to reply back. I'm happy to let it lie but others won't. Plenty of people want to see her cancelled, by the way, so I'm not joining in gleeful hate on her as it only helps fuel that. I already said she made one ill-advised judgement, like all flawed humans do. But I won't be forced into dragging her for it. The girl can't do right for doing wrong lately, which is probably not helping her do better. If we repeatedly drag people every few weeks for something new, they'll likely keep screwing up. It's not like our opinions on GGD will be read by her or we'll cause change so it doesn't really matter what we say anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalLover 16 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: And Lana doesn't generally have a good reputation? It's hard to say she's in the wrong here without looking like you're joining in the hate bandwagon and I don't want to be a part of that. I wanted to be someone to give the benefit of the doubt and not take things to the extent everyone else was doing. I stated my opinion once and everyone else replied to it, so I had to reply back. I'm happy to let it lie but others won't. Plenty of people want to see her cancelled, by the way, so I'm not joining in gleeful hate on her as it only helps fuel that. I already said she made one ill-advised judgement, like all flawed humans do. But I won't be forced into dragging her for it. The girl can't do right for doing wrong lately, which is probably not helping her do better. If we repeatedly drag people every few weeks for something new, they'll likely keep screwing up. It's not like our opinions on GGD will be read by her or we'll cause change so it doesn't really matter what we say anyway. Not speaking generally here, but in regards to the pandemic. What I meant by the reputation part is that Gaga has gone out of her way to set a responsible example - she even performed wearing a mask at the VMAs when no other performers even bothered. So, the assumption that she and her team took every precaution when filming that video is no far fetched. Like I said, I am a fan of Lana's but this is not defendable imo. I don't hate her or think she should be cancelled. I don't think the general sentiment about her outside of social media is as bad. I just don't understand her reasoning here. Everyone else she was with were wearing normal, more protective masks and she made a conscious decision not to. It goes beyond an everyday mistake because she's in the public eye and making a statement with her mesh mask. I don't know why her team thought this was a good idea, either. I don't see Gaga being dragged - and that's because, yes we're on a Gaga forum, but she also is careful to not be problematic. So it's not impossible - and they are both on the same level of influence and fame. i don't remember ARTPOP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,874 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, HeavyMetalLover said: Not speaking generally here, but in regards to the pandemic. What I meant by the reputation part is that Gaga has gone out of her way to set a responsible example - she even performed wearing a mask at the VMAs when no other performers even bothered. So, the assumption that she and her team took every precaution when filming that video is no far fetched. Like I said, I am a fan of Lana's but this is not defendable imo. I don't hate her or think she should be cancelled. I don't think the general sentiment about her outside of social media is as bad. I just don't understand her reasoning here. Everyone else she was with were wearing normal, more protective masks and she made a conscious decision not to. It goes beyond an everyday mistake because she's in the public eye and making a statement with her mesh mask. I don't know why her team thought this was a good idea, either. I don't see Gaga being dragged - and that's because, yes we're on a Gaga forum, but she also is careful to not be problematic. So it's not impossible - and they are both on the same level of influence and fame. Well, how about other people in media? There are different rules across media outlets, some wear masks, some don't. I just assume protocol is taking place, move on and mind my own business. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes, so we can't pass comment. With Lana, there's been a trickle effect because of the stuff that she's said/done earlier, so the more it builds up, the worse it does for her reputation. I'm prepared to let the little stuff slide although my definition of little may differ from someone else's. We've seen at least 2 different instances of Lana wearing a proper mask before, so she was probably just trying to make a fashion statement with this one and didn't think it through. I just wish people would calmly, politely and respectfully tell her not to do it again and leave it at that. But so many people hopped on the predictable outraged reaction and called her all this stuff that wasn't true. If people weren't reacting to it so extremely, I probably wouldn't feel the need to view the whole situation through fan-tinted lenses but as it is, when I see my fave being attacked, my first thought is to defend them. Extreme reactions aren't the way to go to make people be rational, listen or change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister 9,907 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I honestly do not even believe that Lana had clearance from the book store to attempt this event, the health authority was called and shut her down and Lana was seen laughing about it on her way out of the store, surrounded by adoring fans, in masks. Seems like Lana needed some attention and sporadically set up this event last minute and walked into a world of trouble for herself, personally and publicly. This is also why she looks so bad to have done it at all. The mesh mask is so ridiculous and is ugly anyway. At this point, I highly doubt what Chuck said of Lana is true, that Lana took a test before arriving there and that she tested negative. Like people just have access to random tests lying around to take when they choose to go out publicly and do things or go to gatherings, seems very entitled, if you ask me. But hey, these girls are HOLLYWOOD. The future's uncertain and the end is always near. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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