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Switzerland referendum: Voters reject end to free movement with EU

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Swiss voters have rejected a proposal to end an accord with the EU allowing the free movement of people.

With all referendum votes counted, nearly 62% said they wanted to keep free movement, while 38% were against.

Switzerland is not a member of the EU but has a series of interdependent treaties with Brussels which allow it to access to Europe's free trade area.

The move to rein in immigration was proposed by the Swiss People's Party (SVP), but opposed by the government.

A similar initiative to introduce quotas on immigrants from the EU to Switzerland narrowly passed in a 2014 referendum, damaging Swiss-EU relations.

Swiss people are given a direct say in their own affairs under the country's system of direct democracy. They are regularly invited to vote on various issues in national or regional referendums.

Supporters of the anti-free movement plan said it would allow Switzerland to control its borders and select only the immigrants it wants.

Opponents argued it would plunge a healthy economy into recession at an uncertain time and deprive hundreds of thousands of Swiss citizens of their freedom to live and work across Europe.

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Shame. Freedom of movement is a betrayal to native workers and government responsibility to train their citizens.

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Illundressyou

I'm glad it got rejected, I'm all for controlled immigration but the treaties with the EU are way too important. :vegas:

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11 minutes ago, bionic said:

Shame. Freedom of movement is a betrayal to native workers and government responsibility to train their citizens.

Humans invented imaginary borders and local governments that rule over people within that line. There's no law in nature why that has to be anyone's responsibility or native workers rights

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15 minutes ago, bionic said:

Shame. Freedom of movement is a betrayal to native workers and government responsibility to train their citizens.

Train... is not the word to use there... 

This is what the majority of people want AND they're benefiting from it, according to the article at the very least... The government absolutely should not brainwash people to think otherwise - they did that here in the UK - it did not go well... 

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11 minutes ago, CautiousLurker said:

Train... is not the word to use there... 

This is what the majority of people want AND they're benefiting from it, according to the article at the very least... The government absolutely should not brainwash people to think otherwise - they did that here in the UK - it did not go well... 

Your old PM was right when she said "if you're a citizen of the world, you're a citizen of nowhere". Globalism is a failed project by the liberal elite.

Governments should train their citizens to fill gaps in job market, not import labor from abroad

20 minutes ago, Economy said:

Humans invented imaginary borders and local governments that rule over people within that line. There's no law in nature why that has to be anyone's responsibility or native workers rights

In civilised society borders have to be drawn somewhere and its natural societies and cultures develop around that. Freedom of movement should be restricted to in-need jobs only.

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19 minutes ago, bionic said:

Your old PM was right when she said "if you're a citizen of the world, you're a citizen of nowhere". Globalism is a failed project by the liberal elite.

Governments should train their citizens to fill gaps in job market, not import labor from abroad

She wasn't and she was a terrible PM... Just because a statement sounds profound doesn't mean it is - the one you quoted means nothing...

Globalism isn't a failed project by the liberal elite, wut? It's not even a thing really - you're not free to just pick up your things and move in the EU, for a multitude of reasons...

As for importing labor - that's not all immigration achieves, but even if it did, why not?

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33 minutes ago, bionic said:

Freedom of movement should be restricted to in-need jobs only.

Not even asylum seekers, yikes :saladga:

Also why do borders HAVE to be drawn exactly, and why do they have to be as strict as you suggest?

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1 hour ago, bionic said:

Shame. Freedom of movement is a betrayal to native workers and government responsibility to train their citizens.

:triggered: free movement is a win-win situation for us here, maybe you should educate yourself how much the swiss economy profits off of it.

 

Glad we rejected this with 62%, along with the last parliament elections it really shows we are tired of the same old SVP ****

today went pretty well in general with all 5 referendums, although i wish we hadnt accepted the one for buying new fighter jets :rip: 

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15 minutes ago, bionic said:

Your old PM was right when she said "if you're a citizen of the world, you're a citizen of nowhere". Globalism is a failed project by the liberal elite.

Governments should train their citizens to fill gaps in job market, not import labor from abroad

In civilised society borders have to be drawn somewhere and its natural societies and cultures develop around that. Freedom of movement should be restricted to in-need jobs only.

But why would the people you morally care for stop at formal borders? What makes it so that people who were born in Bulgaria deserve to be paid 200 euros a month for work that people in Switzerland get 2000 euros a month? Switzerland has a labour shortage, with unemployment rates hovering around full employment for the past ten years. Switzerland is able to lift so many families out of poverty by opening its borders to foreign labour, at little cost - at a considerable profit even - to itself. 

Globalism as an ideology may have shown some signs of failing over the past years when it comes to public opinion, but globalisation certainly hasn't. When millions of families in Eastern Europe have been lifted out of poverty thanks to freedom of movement, when hundreds of millions of Chinese have been lifted out of poverty thanks to globalisation - I really don't consider globalisation to be a failed project (nor one by liberal elites - unless those liberal elites somehow include the CCP). The world would be at a much worse place without free-er trade and without cultural exchange.

"Civilised society" needs borders for effective government, but these borders don't need to mean anything more than administrative borders. It doesn't need to limit cultural exchange - especially relevant in the context of Switzerland, a multicultural success in and of itself, and it doesn't need to put a border on our moral world, where people who happen to be born just over the border are suddenly worth much less. Globalisation and in particular the EU rose exactly because that mentality failed, big time, and not just with the first and second world war. Of course, not everyone in the world can be "helped" at once if you still want it to stay mutually advantageous for the richer people (as in, rich countries). I get that the "own people first" is intuitively very appealing, and that's also the reason that European countries tried the "own people first" thing for hundreds of years before finally realizing that it doesn't work well. And European citizens have never been richer since governments faced the facts and quit that mentality, opening up towards each other.

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1 hour ago, bionic said:

Shame. Freedom of movement is a betrayal to native workers and government responsibility to train their citizens.

Wrong 

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Every person on this planet should have the right to live wherever the **** they want:applause:

Nations and nationalism are dump 19th century inventions that were only created to help and protect the bourgeoisie and turn people against each other in bloody unnecessary wars.

 

And let's not forget

Just because you were born somewhere does not mean that you deserve better treatment, more rights or more opportunities than any other human that moved there later on. No matter where that person is coming from.:heart:

 

 

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