Argentum 1,705 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Eros92 said: So lemme play devils advocate for ONE second... I can see how this could be taken as problematic but also cross dressing isn't the same as a person being trans or someone who is transitioning. They didn't say the antagonist was a trans person but that it was a man who dresses in woman clothing, thats more Norman Bates/Pyscho than vilifying trans people and keeping with a negative stereotype. I mean sure but even in that case the timing is off and very tone deaf considering her recent social media activity . . . "Δεν είσαι αγάπη. Δεν είσαι αγάπη. Είσαι οφθαλμαπάτη. Η τέλεια οφθαλμαπάτη" - Λαίδη Γκάγκα, 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie 5 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, LadyGoo said: She really hates trans people 15 minutes ago, HausOfAntonio said: She really hates trans people 9 minutes ago, HeavyMetalLover said: She really hates trans people 9 minutes ago, PunkTheFunk said: She really hates trans people She really hates trans people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HausOfAntonio 8,021 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Just now, brownie said: She really hates trans people She really hates trans people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dopega 3,795 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Pennywise said: Well, Harry Potter is such an interesting series because it has no writer! Almost like the folk tales of the old times! I thought it was a true story Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eros92 2,554 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Argentum said: I mean sure but even in that case the timing is off and very tone deaf considering her recent social media activity . . . Well right and thats the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactic Mess 1,393 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I generally like HP, but it’s so hard to judge the work for itself when the author is still alive and spitting atrocities like JK does. I feel ever less motivated to read anything she writes or has written. Thank god Tolkien is long dead, I don’t think I’d enjoy LOTR half as much if he wasn’t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijahfan 27,499 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, Argentum said: I mean sure but even in that case the timing is off and very tone deaf considering her recent social media activity . . . There already was a trans character in her 2014 novel, this isn't a new obsession of hers. People keep cancelling her but they don't even read her books, or her essay about trans issues in England. She isn't against trans people, but against a very specific type of activists that she fears might harm young queer people's journey of self discovery. I don't agree with everything she says and there's definitely room for debate, but I tried to understand where she was coming from because she's an intelligent woman whose views I value. I don't think there's one mean bone in her body, and she might have underestimated people's stupidity on social media. I'm glad she's unbothered and keeps on writing about whatever the **** she wants to write about. If this book is making her transphobic, then let's cancel Alfred Hitchcock or Brian de Palma for making films on similar subjects. I just wish people knew what they were talking about, or at least tried to educate themselves a bit more instead of just retweeting out-of-context statements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand 2,359 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, Eros92 said: So lemme play devils advocate for ONE second... I can see how this could be taken as problematic but also cross dressing isn't the same as a person being trans or someone who is transitioning. They didn't say the antagonist was a trans person but that it was a man who dresses in woman clothing, thats more Norman Bates/Pyscho than vilifying trans people and keeping with a negative stereotype. Unless... the Norman Bates or Hannibal Lecter trope villifies trans people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eros92 2,554 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Franz Ferdinand said: Unless... the Norman Bates or Hannibal Lecter trope villifies trans people. But it wouldn't because neither of them are trans. So..... If it was stated they were and they were dressing as woman and killing people that would be a different story. Cross dressing isn't strictly a LGBTQ+ thing. Many straight people do it as well. Again cross dressing is not synonymous with being transgender Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoxo Adriana 15,040 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 whether she’s transphobic or not, there’s definitely an obsession with trans people in the mix it’s...concerning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand 2,359 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Eros92 said: But it wouldn't because neither of them are trans. So..... If it was stated they were and they were dressing as woman and killing people that would be a different story. Cross dressing isn't strictly a LGBTQ+ thing. Many straight people do it as well. Again cross dressing is not synonymous with being transgender But most people aren't aware, or don't care to be aware, of the differences between crossdressing and trans identities, so those nuances are irrelevant. Either way, the trope is highlighting gender-defying behaviour and connecting that behaviour to danger. Psycho and Silence of the Lambs (and presumably this new JKR novel) are using a gender-defying character to express danger and/or mental illness, which feeds into the widespread notion that trans women are predatory or otherwise dangerous men. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MJHolland 12,725 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 21 minutes ago, elijahfan said: There already was a trans character in her 2014 novel, this isn't a new obsession of hers. People keep cancelling her but they don't even read her books, or her essay about trans issues in England. She isn't against trans people, but against a very specific type of activists that she fears might harm young queer people's journey of self discovery. I don't agree with everything she says and there's definitely room for debate, but I tried to understand where she was coming from because she's an intelligent woman whose views I value. I don't think there's one mean bone in her body, and she might have underestimated people's stupidity on social media. I'm glad she's unbothered and keeps on writing about whatever the **** she wants to write about. If this book is making her transphobic, then let's cancel Alfred Hitchcock or Brian de Palma for making films on similar subjects. I just wish people knew what they were talking about, or at least tried to educate themselves a bit more instead of just retweeting out-of-context statements. Jesus, imagine not being willing to see what's being played out before your very eyes Her views are not intelligent or nuanced or "up for debate." They are hateful, harmful themselves, and misguided. I've written about them extensively and have spent hours reading her essays. In the midst of an actual pandemic, she likened the rising trans population to a "pandemic" driven by misunderstood autism, peer pressure, and homophobia (e.g. gay men hate themselves and what to become women to fit into society). I truly hope you don't support these values. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eros92 2,554 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Franz Ferdinand said: But most people aren't aware, or don't care to be aware, of the differences between crossdressing and trans identities, so those nuances are irrelevant. Either way, the trope is highlighting gender-defying behaviour and connecting that behaviour to danger. Psycho and Silence of the Lambs (and presumably this new JKR novel) are using a gender-defying character to express danger and/or mental illness, which feeds into the widespread notion that trans women are predatory men. Again to me I can't see the correlation considering no one is being specified as trans. And so far the only people I see making a correlation between trans and cross-dressing being the same or interchangeable are the LGBTQ community. And as for this quote "gender-defying character to express danger and/or mental illness" I can 100 percent see where you are coming from but I see it this way, how man serial killers do you see in any media being portrayed by a white male? A vast majority of them because statistically speaking thats the group of people that do it. Sure where are also gay people who are serial killers and also there are women, and people of color and mentally ill people. I mean thats life and thats all portrayed and reflected in all sorts of media. The media of years past have of course vilified not only the Trans community but the LGBTQ community as a whole. It sucks and while it's getting better it's still not perfect. I don't think the problem here is that the killer is a cross-dresser cause again as you and I have stated there has been movies and books before that who have used the same trope and met with little to no criticism, the problem is that it's being written by someone with an uneducated view point on a subject she shouldn't have even commented on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HausOfAntonio 8,021 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, MJHolland said: Jesus, imagine not being willing to see what's being played out before your very eyes Her views are not intelligent or nuanced or "up for debate." They are hateful, harmful themselves, and misguided. I've written about them extensively and have spent hours reading her essays. In the midst of an actual pandemic, she likened the rising trans population to a "pandemic" driven by misunderstood autism, peer pressure, and homophobia (e.g. gay men hate themselves and what to become women to fit into society). I truly hope you don't support these values. This woman is literally despicable, as is ANYONE who shares her views. Trans people are being MURDERED every single say for their identities alone, and every single transphobe has blood on their hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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