Divided Opinion On Recent Adele Looks

[Daylight Jokers 14,958]

It took me awhile to understand what they meant by wypipo lmao

[StrawberryBlond 14,926]

It's really sad that we're still in a place where we want actual ownership over styles of dress and hairstyles. I thought it was the generally accepted wisdom that you can do what you want provided you understand and respect it? Where is the suggestion that Adele doesn't understand or disrespects this culture? I'm glad that black celebrities came to her defence saying that she grew up in Tottenham surrounded by black culture and I believe she's even dated black men. It's not like she's throwing on something she has no clue about. As I saw someone say in a comment: "There's a difference between cultural appropriation and appreciation. Adele isn't a culture vulture. She's invited to the cookout." Nothing more needs to be said.

18 hours ago, SLAG said:

Then explain it to POC. Tell us what is white culture because obviously there aren't any a clear explanation of what it is but whenever someone says it doesn’t exist everyone he’s quick to oppose.

White culture is anything that originated among whites, regardless of location. I don't know why we're fine with the term black culture, which is very generalising but we baulk at the idea of white culture because of its generalising nature. Seems like a big double standard to me.

18 hours ago, SLAG said:

I am. There IS culture in Europe. I’d like to know what “white culture” means in America.

American white culture is based on European white cultures while also finding its own take on things as well. Everyone understands this concept for any other race of people, seeing as a lot of them worked in similar ways. But they seem to think that white people shouldn't have a general claim to their culture or say that what they consider their culture isn't even originally theirs. Which is ridiculous when you consider how many non-black things are considered a part of black American culture.

18 hours ago, Twitter said:

If we’re discussing US White Americans, what is their culture?  Because 90% of the culture came from other cultures.

Look at my answers above for more reference. It always amazes me that people who live in America claim that white Americans don't have a culture. Every group of people on the planet has a culture, otherwise, they wouldn't exist. It doesn't even have to be yours originally. It's just about how you live your life, whether you invented it or not. I'm not even American and I've always seen they have a culture, even moreso because I was an outsider looking in. And there were styles, words, phrasing, humour, past-times, foods, etc. that I would associate with being American, and more specifically, white American.

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10 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

White culture is anything that originated among whites, regardless of location. I don't know why we're fine with the term black culture, which is very generalising but we baulk at the idea of white culture because of its generalising nature. Seems like a big double standard to me.

Care to give some examples? Because I think that your definition is rather rudimentary. I also said that black culture shouldn't be generalized as I feel that we're all black but skin color alone shouldn't be cause for generalization. I only say this because of personal experiences. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,926]

11 minutes ago, SLAG said:

Care to give some examples? Because I think that your definition is rather rudimentary. I also said that black culture shouldn't be generalized as I feel that we're all black but skin color alone shouldn't be cause for generalization. I only say this because of personal experiences. 

Examples of white culture in general or just American white culture? And I know you said you don't want generalisations of black culture either but I think generalisation is fine to a point, provided it's accurate.

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3 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Examples of white culture in general or just American white culture? And I know you said you don't want generalisations of black culture either but I think generalisation is fine to a point, provided it's accurate.

American white culture

[Anderson123 38,792]

Ugh I'm too tired to care about this. Twittter people need to f off.

[Towelney 1,458]

I really don’t see a problem with this 

People are overreacting 

[StrawberryBlond 14,926]

2 minutes ago, SLAG said:

American white culture

Just remember that I'm Scottish, so my examples will be from an outside perspective, but in a sense, I think that makes it better as I've consumed American culture (most of it white) my entire life, so I easily spot the difference between their culture and mine even though we're both white. Not all of these things originated in America, or are exclusive to America, but they are unquestionably part of a lot of white Americans lives. And of course, these things won't apply to every white person, but here we go:

Clothing/shoe styles: leggings, cardigans, two-piece with pearls, socks/sandals, Birkenstocks, Ugg boots, etc.

Words/phrases: whatever, bite me, omg, hottie, honey/hun, etc.

Past-times: boating, fishing, hunting, cycling, hiking, golf, tennis, swimming, knitting/sewing, gardening, baking, etc.

Favourite foods/drinks: pizza, burgers, hot dogs, corn dogs, loaded fries, coffee, etc.

And you know that's a part of the white American culture as a lot of it frequently made fun of for being so white!

[Where is LG7 3,720]

she doesnt look good tho 

[Cookie Tookie 10,546]

The more y’all hate this look, the more I begin to love it 

[SLAG 7]

1 minute ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Just remember that I'm Scottish, so my examples will be from an outside perspective, but in a sense, I think that makes it better as I've consumed American culture (most of it white) my entire life, so I easily spot the difference between their culture and mine even though we're both white. Not all of these things originated in America, or are exclusive to America, but they are unquestionably part of a lot of white Americans lives. And of course, these things won't apply to every white person, but here we go:

Clothing/shoe styles: leggings, cardigans, two-piece with pearls, socks/sandals, Birkenstocks, Ugg boots, etc.

Words/phrases: whatever, bite me, omg, hottie, honey/hun, etc.

Past-times: boating, fishing, hunting, cycling, hiking, golf, tennis, swimming, knitting/sewing, gardening, baking, etc.

Favourite foods/drinks: pizza, burgers, hot dogs, corn dogs, loaded fries, coffee, etc.

And you know that's a part of the white American culture as a lot of it frequently made fun of for being so white!

It's interesting that you used these examples. I work with people from all over the world and we often have group discussions on societal topics. Whenever we're discussing culture/cultural appropriation or racism, "white culture" is always brought up, specifically American. I always ask the same question and always receive the same response; food, music, clothing. The issue is that this response is given by people who aren't from the U.S. The ones that are from the U.S. always object by saying those things are not what makes up their culture and consider it "making fun" of them yet there's never a clear answer. I think this is definitely something worth exploring more.

[PunkTheFunk 124,557]

Looks like some people are offended by it saying she's appropriating their culture, while others feel that she is honoring and appreciating it. Both points of view are valid imo.

Now if she was disrespecting a different culture or exploiting it for personal gain, then that's a different story. But this is one of those cases where it really depends on who you ask.

[StrawberryBlond 14,926]

1 hour ago, SLAG said:

It's interesting that you used these examples. I work with people from all over the world and we often have group discussions on societal topics. Whenever we're discussing culture/cultural appropriation or racism, "white culture" is always brought up, specifically American. I always ask the same question and always receive the same response; food, music, clothing. The issue is that this response is given by people who aren't from the U.S. The ones that are from the U.S. always object by saying those things are not what makes up their culture and consider it "making fun" of them yet there's never a clear answer. I think this is definitely something worth exploring more.

We give these responses because this is where the big differences between us lie. A lot of it may be stereotypical but its the truth. The American response to the question is probably because whites have been raised all their lives to believe that they have no culture. I didn't even really realise this until it was pointed out to me about 2 years ago. We've subconsciously internalised it and been raised to laugh at our own culture, encouraged to find it cheesy, uncool, cringey, boring. That's why so many of us indulged in other cultures because we didn't want to associate ourselves with a culture that was so derided. But then we found that people laughed at us when we engaged in other cultures and told to go back to our own culture...which we were told was cheesy, uncool, cringey and boring (or didn't exist). That's why there is such confusion among whites about what culture is truly "ours." It doesn't help that it's also been hardwired into us that a lot of what we have was stolen from other races, literally or figuratively, so that brings with it a guilt for calling it ours. Which isn't right as every culture borrows from other cultures so whites shouldn't feel exclusively guilty.

The fact is that culture is a very broad term. Depending on where you grew up, your race may not match with your host nation's culture for example but as it's what you grew up with, that is your culture. Your race has nothing to do with it. A white person born and raised in Jamaica will have a Jamaican accent, be friends with black people, eat Jamaican food, listen to Jamaican music, live a Jamaican lifestyle. That's all they've ever known. So we can't put big pronouncements on what truly belongs to one race or another as cultural identity is complicated and sometimes invisible.

[MonsterofFame 1,786]

For years, diversity and racial inclusion was all about "sharing culture" -- embracing, accepting, and experiencing different peoples' cultures. Appreciating it and making it part of your life.

Now that's been successful to the point where people are doing this all the time. And NOW people claim ownership to culture?

Sorry, that's not how it works.

As long as the culture is not being disrespected, mocked, or used in an inappropriate context there should be NO PROBLEM in anyone embracing another culture's looks or styles.

[yes and 4,884]

So funny how the cancel culture works even on this site. Gheis always choose whether they cancel someone or not. I clearly remember numerous posts about other artists' ''blackfishing'' and most users enthusiastically wrote comments like #cancelled #isoverparty, but when it's about Adele, she is free to do anything and you won't cancel her for the same thing.