Pop Music 20,540 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 I'm sure I'll like it I am a sucker for a catchy Katy pop song and even if it is a little basic I am still gonna support and like it It's not bad to enjoy simple pop music (and i'm sure there will be good messages throughout the album as well) this doesn't kill my hype for Smile at all Pop Music and Lady Gaga forever! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kattys 4,319 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 6 hours ago, Bradley said: You completely twisted Taylor Swift's words. Taylor was not saying re-invention is unnecessary for women, she's saying she had hoped male artists would be put on the same pedestal of being judged as women. Taylor essentially is still an artist that applauds re-invention, which is why she does that so effectively. Saying men need to be judged the same way as women do =/= Artists do not need to re-invent. Like why would we even encourage musicians to stay complacent? And why would Taylor Swift, someone who is so ambitious artistically, say something that encourages complacency? No, you took it wrong i believe. This whole idea that artist - a woman must re-invent, otherwise will be taken as lazy and not creative is entirely wrong, for entire creative world. If men would be held to the same standard it still wouldn't be fair. Artist should do what he feels is best for his art, not for the sake of change (to save career). In that point of view constant change because you HAVE TO is wrong. Because you want to - fine - but still shouldn't be the golden standard. This shouldn't even be the issue - art and your voice should be the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paradox 4,568 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 The way stans are LIVING for this and running to make fun of Katy. But then flip the switch when it comes to Gaga and drag "toxic stan culture" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley 59,173 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, Kattys said: No, you took it wrong i believe. This whole idea that artist - a woman must re-invent, otherwise will be taken as lazy and not creative is entirely wrong, for entire creative world. If men would be held to the same standard it still wouldn't be fair. Artist should do what he feels is best for his art, not for the sake of change (to save career). In that point of view constant change because you HAVE TO is wrong. Because you want to - fine - but still shouldn't be the golden standard. This shouldn't even be the issue - art and your voice should be the issue. Personally, I wouldn't applaud a male artist if he doesn't reinvent, but I understand society may not entirely work like me. They might reward rappers like Drake or bands like Maroon 5 who barely reinvent and yet achieve immense commercial success. That is an unfortunate disparity that Taylor has pointed out, which I agree with. I think it would be desirable if all artists, regardless of gender, would challenge themselves artistically, and that includes Katy Perry. The question of whether it's a 'must', I mean nobody is saying it's a crime for Katy Perry not to reinvent, it's just that she will receive lukewarm reviews from critics and audience. Now that you have brought out the disparity in how male and female artists are received when they don't reinvent, instead of encouraging men to reinvent, you want the world to lower their expectations so that women who don't reinvent may benefit from it. On a side note, if an artist chooses not to reinvent, there's nothing wrong with that either. The question is, can the artist still put out a body of work that feels entertaining and admirable? Critics have found that Katy didn't achieve that with Witness and Smile. Now Ariana's Thank U Next, Sweetener and Dangerous Woman are somewhat within similar veins, but all of them have received positive reviews, that is when we reward artists for playing their strengths. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Well...I'm not surprised idk what u guys expected out of this album Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
venusfly 17,885 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 18 hours ago, MJHolland said: And Katy has never really changed her sound. Why is this relevant criticism now? Also, I LOVE the fact that Chromatica (for me) sounds like Gaga previous work. Critics have always been critical of Katy sticking to the same safe sounds ever since she came on the scene, she hasn’t really put out anything that has been received well by critics, it’s especially jarring this time for her to keep along the motivational soccer mom pop route considering its not working for her commercially anymore, so it’s a bunch of low quality music for pretty much no reason Gaga’s return to her older sound was welcomed because it had been almost a decade since she had properly dipped her toe into pop music, it’s not like Gaga has been throwing the same thing out over and over again throughout her career like Katy has. I do like Katy and Witness was almost a step in a different direction but instead of continuing on that path she’s reverted all the way back to Prism, with worse production Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,881 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Well, it's currently a 64 on MetaCritic, so it can't be that bad at the moment. I don't know if bad reviews have still to be added. I have 2 big questions: does any of it follow this circus theme she spoke of? And are there any collabs? Because other than her dressing as a clown for the album cover and the Smile video, I've seen no evidence of this circus theme nor have any of the supposed 3 collabs been announced or mentioned. I didn't think this would be a showstopper for her but I did wonder if critics would stop being so harsh on her, all things considered. But it seems like she's really going through the "she hasn't reinvented herself" narrative again. I really think she'd benefit from going in a completely different, ideally acoustic direction. Her old style is clearly not working for her anymore, no matter how palatable she tries to make it. She'd be so much more respected if she went back to that dark haired girl in the playsuit with the acoustic guitar. I feel that was the artist she always wanted to be. Her label made her into bubblegum popstar Katy Perry, it wasn't what she truly wanted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daylight Jokers 14,958 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Bradley said: Maroon 5 who barely reinvent I do think M5 did reinvent their sound...for the worst. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyerased 2,886 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Daylight Jokers said: I do think M5 did reinvent their sound...for the worst. I’m happy that their commercial success is eroding, honestly. They can’t just rely on it forever. It’s sad because up until Moves Like Jagger happened they were a decent pop band, but I guess that wasn’t sustainable. If Mariah survived Glitter and Charmbracelet, maybe Katy can too after Witness and Smile. It’s a matter of guts, artistic vision and a bit of luck honestly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUtterfield 8 41,466 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Everybody hated witness because it was not the regular Katy sound and now that she’s back with the regular Katy sound y’all still critic it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose P 23,341 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Kattys said: No, you took it wrong i believe. This whole idea that artist - a woman must re-invent, otherwise will be taken as lazy and not creative is entirely wrong, for entire creative world. If men would be held to the same standard it still wouldn't be fair. Artist should do what he feels is best for his art, not for the sake of change (to save career). In that point of view constant change because you HAVE TO is wrong. Because you want to - fine - but still shouldn't be the golden standard. This shouldn't even be the issue - art and your voice should be the issue. Yes but would you really blame the public for losing interest when an artist does the same thing all the time? I know it’s unfair to hold female artists to a ridiculous higher standard, but it’s just natural for local listeners to move on to something else when the same sound is being recycled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerny 4,270 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 12 hours ago, PartySick said: Once I get over the shock @Cerny Coming for you I’ll be waiting patiently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 I don't care what they say, I love her and wish her success. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kattys 4,319 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 15 hours ago, Jose P said: Yes but would you really blame the public for losing interest when an artist does the same thing all the time? I know it’s unfair to hold female artists to a ridiculous higher standard, but it’s just natural for local listeners to move on to something else when the same sound is being recycled. I don’t know if it’s even that important for me, for example some bands get hate for changing their „signature sound”, that „they’re not the same anymore”. So people are unhappy no matter what... That’s why main focus should be on art and what feels best for artist. „Whatever you do, people love what you do if you do it with heart” - Miz Cracker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borislshere 53,084 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 I mean it's an album with her on the cover dressed as a clown It's a fun album. literally just Smile and dance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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