UK : The lockdown may cause 200,000 extra deaths

[QueenOfSaigon 624]

2 minutes ago, Florin said:

Is wall street journal good enough for you? 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-covid-models-get-wrong-11592435169

You can simply google the models from march and then see that almost all of them were wrong. Its data easily available. 

Oh hell no, since they dont believe in man-made climate change. You are deep in your fake news bubble  For every article you‘ll find on questionable websites we could find three time as many on reliable sources.

[TOSK 640]

7 minutes ago, Florin said:

So what undected cancer patient is a conspiracy theory for you?

You read the article and yet u arent talking in any way how that study is wrong or present numbers that contradicts the claims in the article. So who is the one who believes in conspiracy theories again?

 

Tell us AGAIN how Trump was right about Hydroxychloroquine

Hydroxychloroquine: Europe Turns Away From Doctor Who Championed Drug With “Irresponsible” Study

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2020/07/19/hydroxychloroquine-europe-turns-away-from-doctor-who-championed-drug-with-irresponsible-study/#69aefa7df912

Hydroxychloroquine Still Doesn’t Do Anything, New Data Shows

https://www.wired.com/story/hydroxychloroquine-still-doesnt-do-anything-new-data-shows/

Hydroxychloroquine studies show drug is not effective for early treatment of mild covid-19

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/16/hydroxychloroquine-studies-show-drug-is-not-effective-early-treatment-mild-covid-19/

And while you're at it tell us AGAIN, educate us AGAIN  about the Sweden model.

Sweden pays human and economic price for not locking down

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/07/20/sweden-coronavirus-covid-19-economic-pain-black-pkg-intl-hnk-vpx.cnn

Sweden becomes an example of how not to handle COVID-19

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sweden-covid-coronavirus-deaths-make-sweden-example-of-how-not-to-deal-with-covid-19/

How Sweden Screwed Up

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/07/coronavirus-covid-sweden-herd-immunity.html

[Bt1 5,213]

Just now, TOSK said:

 

Off topic after off topic. I'm not gonna educate you on every one of those subjects.

Pls stay on topic and discuss the article, not your bad imagination and logic. 

Spam again another article.

[QueenOfSaigon 624]

4 minutes ago, TOSK said:

Tell us AGAIN how Trump was right about Hydroxychloroquine

Hydroxychloroquine: Europe Turns Away From Doctor Who Championed Drug With “Irresponsible” Study

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2020/07/19/hydroxychloroquine-europe-turns-away-from-doctor-who-championed-drug-with-irresponsible-study/#69aefa7df912

Hydroxychloroquine Still Doesn’t Do Anything, New Data Shows

https://www.wired.com/story/hydroxychloroquine-still-doesnt-do-anything-new-data-shows/

Hydroxychloroquine studies show drug is not effective for early treatment of mild covid-19

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/16/hydroxychloroquine-studies-show-drug-is-not-effective-early-treatment-mild-covid-19/

And while you're at it tell us AGAIN, educate us AGAIN  about the Sweden model.

Sweden pays human and economic price for not locking down

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/07/20/sweden-coronavirus-covid-19-economic-pain-black-pkg-intl-hnk-vpx.cnn

Sweden becomes an example of how not to handle COVID-19

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sweden-covid-coronavirus-deaths-make-sweden-example-of-how-not-to-deal-with-covid-19/

How Sweden Screwed Up

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/07/coronavirus-covid-sweden-herd-immunity.html

Just wait for an article he found on a random shady news website to try to prove you wrong 

[TOSK 640]

2 minutes ago, Florin said:

Off topic after off topic. I'm not gonna educate you on every one of those subjects.

 

All you got, which is nada

 

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3 minutes ago, QueenOfSaigon said:

Oh hell no, since they dont believe in man-made climate change. You are deep in your fake news bubble  For every article you‘ll find on questionable websites we could find three time as many on reliable sources.

Oh I see. You are one of those types who considers fake news everything that you dont agree with. 

Ive said to you. Google the march models. Find out how many were right. Let me know what you found. If u are lucky maybe u will find one of those 3 from 200 that were right. 

Even better, find and share on topic information.

[Bt1 5,213]

1 minute ago, TOSK said:

All you got, which is nada

 

You get that I'm not gonna educate you for your off topic subjects? 

 

[QueenOfSaigon 624]

Just now, Florin said:

Oh I see. You are one of those types who considers fake news everything that you dont agree with. 

Ive said to you. Google the march models. Find out how many were right. Let me know what you found. If u are lucky maybe u will find one of those 3 from 200 that were right. 

Even better, find and share on topic information.

No, I consider fake-news articles that arent based on scientific, peer-reviewed papers but on questionable „opinions“ or that are politically motivated. Articles that contradict the majority of reliable sources and put people on danger. Like the articles you linked in your posts. 

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10 minutes ago, QueenOfSaigon said:

No, I consider fake-news articles that arent based on scientific, peer-reviewed papers but on questionable „opinions“ or that are politically motivated. Articles that contradict the majority of reliable sources and put people on danger. Like the articles you linked in your posts. 

You basically agreed with modelers and wrong predictions. That's why I send you to look at the March models. I gave u a chance to inform yourself on how wrong they were.

Modelers / predictions are all "opinions", because they all start with assumptions. If they are peer reviewed, all are from a mathematical point of view, not from a medical point of view. How you failed to understand that? 

What it is not scientific about the 10,000 undected cancer patients in England for you? What part is fake news for you? 

 

[QueenOfSaigon 624]

10 minutes ago, Florin said:

You basically agreed with modelers and wrong predictions. That's why I send you to look at the March models. I gave u a chance to inform yourself on how wrong they were.

Modelers / predictions are all "opinions", because they all start with assumptions. If they are peer reviewed, all are from a mathematical point of view, not from a medical point of view. How you failed to understand that? 

Why it is not scientific about the 10,000 undected cancer patients in England for you? What part is fake news for you? 

 

Its not how it works. YOU are trying to prove something and all of your sources have been proven questionable or even propaganda. So its you who has to educate himself or to find better evidence for your claims.

Predictions are never 100% accurate. They simply cant be because they are- wait for it- prediciting the future. We cant even predict the weather for next week, for gods sake! And they are not opinions, why do I even have to say this 

10’000 undetected cancer patient in the UK who will get their treatmet later is not as tragic as 470‘000 people who might have died without a lockdown: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52968523
 

I wont reply in this thread any longer, its simply a waste of time. But let me say that your views are damaging the efforts of fighting the virus 

 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, QueenOfSaigon said:

Its not how it works. YOU are trying to prove something and all of your sources have been proven questionable or even propaganda. So its you who has to educate himself or to find better evidence for your claims.

Predictions are never 100% accurate. They simply cant be because they are- wait for it- prediciting the future. We cant even predict the weather for next week, for gods sake! And they are not opinions, why do I even have to say this 

10’000 undetected cancer patient in the UK who will get their treatmet later is not as tragic as 470‘000 people who might have died without a lockdown: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52968523
 

I wont reply in this thread any longer, its simply a waste of time. But let me say that your views are damaging the efforts of fighting the virus 

 

 

 

 

Oh look. U just posted about the modelers who were wrong and run. It shows how uninformed you are about this. 

Wow. How can you say that it is ok for people to get their cancer diagnosis 2/ 3/ 5 months later?  

Btw, we are talking about 10,000 undected cancer patients per month only in England. UK is bigger. The world is bigger.

And cancer is not the only undected disease. 

Think about this a little. Maybe u can see with what u agree. 

 

 

 

[ThisBitch 3,436]

The only good point in this article is the fact that many other surgeries and treatments were delayed or put on hold and only Covid patients were treated! It happened in many countries, it's problematic and shouldn't happen again when new lockdowns are happening!!

Don't come for me because this is true! A family member of me didn't get her cancer chemo treatment because of Covid. So it's NOT a lockdown problem but a government problem. 

[Economy 52,916]

4 hours ago, Florin said:

Well, try to find out how many cancer detections were in canada in April 2019 and then how many in April 2020. 

Maybe the lockdowns in Canada were different than in UK, but only in april in England there were less 130,000 cancer appoiments and something like 10,000 cases undected compared to previous year.

That's only one disease in one month in England, not all UK. 

I said there's countless ways directly and Indirectly lockdowns can kill I'm aware of situations like this

 

But I still think 200,000 is an exagerated estimate if they are talking about the UK specifically

 

Not to mention overwhelmed hospitals during spikes also cause a decline in care in other areas too so some of those deaths have to be factored in the balance as well

[MelbHawker 6,583]

This is fear mongering / trash at its most dangerous & blatant. 

[FATCAT 60,896]

Locking this thread because it's fear mongering at best. Listen to your medical professionals & stay indoors everyone. Don't listen to some random guy on the internet trying to scare you.