NFRatwell 23,290 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 There’s a whole bunch of actual evidence that his family was white. I mean I know lots of people are joking around about this but why try to hype up a myth rather than hype up the actual talented and successful black/mixed composers at the time such as George Bridgetower? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlopSlurper 34,336 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Gagi said: Donald Trump could be black too 😍✨ nice try but we know he's orange, vitamin poppin' 🌟🌟 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knife 7,081 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 This is reminding me of that Dave Chapelle skit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, calmar said: There are no historical accounts during his lifetime that refer to the composer as black or a “moor”, and the Viennese of the 18th and 19th Centuries were well aware of persons of African descent, referred to at the time as moors and mulattos, such as George Bridgetower, who was a famous violinist and creative collaborator of Beethoven’s. Also his family ancestry for at least several centuries into his past shows that for at least hundreds of years, he would be of Belgian (Flemish) and German descent. Was just about to post this... there a ton of actual black composers & musicians from that time who were not “white-washed” so why exactly would Beethoven be? There’s also no evidence like you said except for an article posted years ago by a student newspaper who based their evidence on one off color drawing. It’s pretty astounding to see how easily people will believe something though, kind of concerning actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina George 59,387 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Lmao the ridiculousness of it all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dramatica 13,698 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Black Beethoven + Amen Fashion I didn't ask for a free ride, I only asked you to show me a real good time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derpmonster 22,412 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Mugler said: The greatest way to show that you're ashamed of/disloyal to your race is if the accomplishments of your people aren't enough. Beethoven shouldn't be valued by an African and the fact that he was white shouldn't make them envious. They should be proud of their own figures and not try to make up nonsense like this. Is there a better example of self-inflicted "white supremacy" in action? You're projecting big time It's just people on Twitter going along with a meme. No one tried to "make up" anything. It was speculation based on some evidence. 1 hour ago, Economy said: I don't consider someone black if they just have a little of the genes. That's like saying ur either pure white or not. True but you could flip it and say that someone's not "black enough" for you to consider them black and that white is the default which isn't very fair either. Check out iTunes data & graphs at CHARTPOP.live Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derpmonster 22,412 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, lestyoufall said: It’s pretty astounding to see how easily people will believe something though, kind of concerning actually. Most posts on Twitter about it were jokes Check out iTunes data & graphs at CHARTPOP.live Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, derpmonster said: Most posts on Twitter about it were jokes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killa 18,859 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Well is that why he decided to invent jazz in sonata n32? Well, if its on twitter.. It must be real Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodizy26 6 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Economy said: So if I'm understanding correctly he had some traits or ancestry? That sounds more like mixed than black I don't consider someone black if they just have a little of the genes. That's like saying ur either pure white or not. The way people that are more white than black still get called black or coloured is pretty racist if u think about it because it's basically saying if ur not pure white u can't be called white and u get lumped in the same category as full on blacks For example was President Obama half white half black or something like that? He's both equally but most people don't call him mixed they call him black we get it you’re okay with erasure of black culture and whitewashing, next! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,919 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 37 minutes ago, derpmonster said: You're projecting big time It's just people on Twitter going along with a meme. No one tried to "make up" anything. It was speculation based on some evidence. True but you could flip it and say that someone's not "black enough" for you to consider them black and that white is the default which isn't very fair either. White is never the default tho. If someone is just 1/4 black and 3/4 white they are still called coloured even if they are more leaning towards white than black So ppl got a purity test to call someone white or Caucasian. Black you only have to be a little black to be called black but white you won't get called white if u have even a few mixed features showing That tendency comes from a racist tendency. Were not in 1940s Germany we shouldn't be doing white purity tests Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,919 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 26 minutes ago, Aphrodizy26 said: we get it you’re okay with erasure of black culture and whitewashing, next! What doesn't the word erasure mean? It's making me not get the context of what ur trying to say I googled the word but a pop duo showed up instead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMILE2NE1 3,566 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 It's a literal meme and everyone is laughing at this on social media. Scary that some people started to believe it. Anti-vaxxer vibes google research mom vibes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodizy26 6 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, Economy said: What doesn't the word erasure mean? It's making me not get the context of what ur trying to say I googled the word but a pop duo showed up instead https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bet.com/news/national/2019/03/19/_who-is-black-_--alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-erasure-of-blackness-.amp.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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