Roboboy 3,777 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 I feel incredibly bad for her. I don't really believe she said anything transphobic and it was hard watching her just get ripped to shreds like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurem 17,800 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 I love her for writing this. The way she realises this issue isn't black and white like most SJWs think is very refreshing. It's refreshing to see someone so well spoken explain themselves and CLOCK the SJWs whose only education on these issues were Twitter and YouTube, while she actually went out and did her research. I'm glad she's standing her ground. You go, J.K. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daylight Jokers 14,958 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 hour ago, FRANZGA said: Y'all also have to accept that the world doesnt revolve around your beliefs.. Politics and Religion, the 2 biggest divider.. However, i believe opposite sides wont find any peace if they keep on insisting that they're RIGHT and the other is WRONG When your beliefs are discriminatory or support one that does, when your beliefs affect how you treat people (especially minorities) that are just trying to live their lives and aren't hurting anyone, I will keep on insisting that that is wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaniel22 1 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, Seeka said: I think we're all forgetting the originally tweet that started this. Which caused the original outrage. Where she basically said trans women aren't real women, and set up these guidelines on what a real woman is. She's not only transphobic, but she's somewhat misogynist. She could have left this alone. But she found that she needed to defended herself. Her actions are speaking louder than she ever will. Her arguments hold no water. Ok,this is getting out of hand. I'm starting to think that I'm either crazy or illiterate,or really the vast majority of the internet is-and I am not sure which is worse. WHERE exactly did she "set up these guidelines on what a real woman is" or "said trans women aren't real women"? Can you please show me the tweets? Because in those I read,she said that 'people who menstruate' are women ,which biologically THEY ARE-only females of the human species can menstruate and that's an indisputable FACT,whether you like it or not.(Trans men of course can also menstuate-BECAUSE THEIR BODIES ARE FEMALE!-so I can understand if they are feeling excluded by the language,although at the same time an exception doesn't need to necessarily be mentioned,and that doesn't invalidate its existence-trans males can technically bear children too, should we just say 'people who get pregnant' instead of women too?That would be insane!).BUT SHE NEVER TRIED TO DEFINE WOMANHOOD!(at least in those tweets I read that everyone seems so hung-up on).She said people who menstruate are women, not that ONLY people who menstruate are women. PS-before anyone mentions it,I'm sorry about the capslock, I'm on the phone and I can't find how to italicise :P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WhoDoWeHaveHere Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, GagaSine said: Words can be a form of violence. Her and other transphobic rhetoric is dehumanizing and creates further barriers for trans people. Convincing people is really hard and takes a lot of consistent work and there are people out there who have the patience to do that. But most are better off saving their energy for advocacy and other actions. I 100% percent agree with you. But I think it is important to look at the nuances of what is said. To label someone who takes the time to read into studies, talk to people of the group, talk to doctors and then write a lengthy essey where she gives here two cents on it is hardly in the same category as for example the people from the westboro baptist church who show up at funerals with signs like "god hates f-word". if you use the same word to describe those two kind of people you weaken the word itself. It becomes meaningless. I don't agree with you =/= I hate you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suuus 5,632 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 41 minutes ago, GagaSine said: I should have said the same from the start but seriously why am I not allowed to have an opinion about people debating their right to be a bigot Because this is a cult site thats why Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina George 59,387 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Majority of people who commented on here didn’t even read her full statement and it shows. She made some points and even tho I don’t agree with what she’s saying (NECESSARILY) I actually didn’t read anything that could be translated as “transphobic.” She didn’t express any hateful or offensive opinions. If anything she stated that she’s interested in finding out more about transitioning, reasons behind it, psychological side of it, etc.. The problem about people on here is that they read something on twitter and instagram and they think they know it all and when you actually mention science and statistics to them they will come for you because they don’t want you to be right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaSine 7,464 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, WhoDoWeHaveHere said: I 100% percent agree with you. But I think it is important to look at the nuances of what is said. To label someone who takes the time to read into studies, talk to people of the group, talk to doctors and then write a lengthy essey where she gives here two cents on it is hardly in the same category as for example the people from the westboro baptist church who show up at funerals with signs like "god hates f-word". if you use the same word to describe those two kind of people you weaken the word itself. It becomes meaningless. I don't agree with you =/= I hate you There is very little nuance imo. She cherry picked her information to make her case. She is an influential figure and the ‘trans people are secret sex offenders’ (I know not what she literally said but it is heavily implied by what she said) is a transphobic dog whistle. Delegitimizing trans men by saying they are forced into it is disgusting as well (I have lots of trans men friends and I feel great kinship with them, I hate how everyone is endlessly throwing them under the bus). What she is saying is harmful. Maybe not to the same extent as others bigotry and hatred but it is still harmful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WhoDoWeHaveHere Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, GagaSine said: There is very little nuance imo. She cherry picked her information to make her case. She is an influential figure and the ‘trans people are secret sex offenders’ (I know not what she literally said but it is heavily implied by what she said) is a transphobic dog whistle. Delegitimizing trans men by saying they are forced into it is disgusting as well (I have lots of trans men friends and I feel great kinship with them, I hate how everyone is endlessly throwing them under the bus). What she is saying is harmful. Maybe not to the same extent as others bigotry and hatred but it is still harmful. Seems like you cherry pick what you like from her essay. and not only that twist it to fit your narrative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 2 hours ago, MelbHawker said: I agree with you in that men will commit the crime either way, but I don't think it's a 'f*cking absurd' argument. Rowling wasn't really arguing that disallowing it would stop the sexual assault from occurring anyhow. There has to be some sort of criteria one must pass to be able to use a bathroom if they're trans IMO. It sucks majorly that it has to be that way, it's not the trans persons fault. There's thousands of paedophiles, rapists and all round creepers out there that would no doubt use this to their advantage. I have little sisters, a mother and grandmothers - for their and women's safety (and that includes trans women), I think there needs to be a criteria that needs to be passed so that imposters are somewhat weeded out and this can be as safe as possible for all women. Crucify me for having an opinion but I believe it's the safest way to go about ensuring this change in our society can be safe for all women. I'm sorry but you trying to hide behind this as some legitimate argument to "save women" is a massive ****ing joke. It has ZERO legitimacy. Do you not even realize that GENDERED bathrooms were not even a thing until the 1900s when MEN made it a thing when women were allowed into the workplace in order to keep men from being distracted? Before then bathrooms were not even split up. Not saying we need to go back to that but this is the reality. It's really not this deep. Men aren't just going to be going into womens bathrooms suddenly, trans women ARE women and so **** NO THIS IS NOT ABOUT ALLOWING MEN INTO WOMEN'S BATHROOMS. Where do you even get this from, and based on what evidence other than the fearmongering and ignorance you've seen and bought into? Stop being ignorant on this. There are so many other things that can be done and by no means is one of those policing gender at the door. One option is to make a bathroom one stall for only one person at a time and making it gender neutral. Or, continue as bathrooms currently are because they're aren't even actual issues or problems with that currently. Men aren't going into women's bathrooms simply because trans women are, and policing someone's genitals at the door isn't going to stop a man who wants to get in to one to harass a woman Bottom line is any person trying to argue this baseless claim like you that it's about "saving women" is not only ignorant, but is hate masquerading as public safety. We've seen that one before with police and racists! It's hateful, harmful, bigotry and transphobia pure and simple to defend this stance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurem 17,800 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Seeka said: I think we're all forgetting the originally tweet that started this. Which caused the original outrage. Where she basically said trans women aren't real women, and set up these guidelines on what a real woman is. Didn't she just say that trans women and biological women are not the same? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaniel22 1 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Hurem said: Didn't she just say that trans women and biological women are not the same? No Once again,she said that "people who menstruate" are women. No mention of trans women whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurem 17,800 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Just now, Thaniel22 said: No Once again,she said that "people who menstruate" are women. No mention of trans women whatsoever. Trans women don't menstruate though? Did I miss something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeka 12,372 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hurem said: Didn't she just say that trans women and biological women are not the same? No. She basically agreed/said that real women menustrate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaSine 7,464 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Hurem said: Trans women don't menstruate though? Did I miss something? Trans men & non binary people can menstruate tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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