Emvee 8,858 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 If “violence is never the answer” we literally wouldn’t be living in democracy right now. At some point, either you respond to the needs of your constituents/subjects or you don’t. Can you guess what happened when King George III decided to continue ignoring the pleas of colonists? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Mary 1,051 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 I hate that kind of argument. How many times has this happened? do you really think making kindness posts will change anything? this ISNT a one time thing, it has been happening since forever. How do you think LGBT people got their rights and their voices were heard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand 2,359 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Just now, Trillion Reasons said: In fact, the state has the monopoly on violence. RIGHT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill 31,812 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 12 minutes ago, Trillion Reasons said: In fact, the state has the monopoly on violence. As it should, but that doesn't mean the state can stop being a reflection of the will of the people and must therefore be violently challenged. edit: *can't stop being a reflection Former First Lady of the United States. Now card-carrying member of the Communist Party of China (CPC). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaLa 19,909 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 I'm sorry, I don't agree. Sometimes violence is the only answer. Peaceful protest have been tried, time and again, and where are the results? If people didn't want their sh!t looted and burned down, they shouldn't have 'looted' Africans out of Africa and enslaved them, 'looted' the entire continent of NA from Indigenous people, and then proceeded to treat those people like literal garbage for 400 years. Actions have consequences, and rage that is suppressed will eventually explode Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeka 12,372 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 All I can say is that this is the culmination of centuries of buildup. If the snowball could've been stopped, I think it would have been. No. I don't think peaceful protests and kindness would have ever happened after this. This was downright deliberate murder. Caught on film. This has been happening for decades. As much as I want to support the idea of peace, it is sometimes only the pure threat of chaos and anarchy that will do something. Some people will not get off their asses until their world is burning to cinders around them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkTheFunk 125,733 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Civil disobedience is necessary to move society forward. How do you think America as a country was formed? Just some men in powdered wigs and petticoats peacefully marching down the street? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennywise 36,080 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, Lionel Hutz said: You mean the ways that have been tried time and time again but have been received with mortal indifference every single time? When you say that they are all like So long ggd, it was nice while it lasted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic 20,830 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 The world will never fully agree on anything, and many people in the world want to force their idealistic fantasies on others. For instance, Hitler. Violence is how he conquered. If he controlled the world, there would always be violence against minorities, particularly Jews. Violence is how we stopped Hitler. Using violence selectively is a tactic used to prevent larger amounts of violence in the future. When an oppressive class is using violence to control others, those who don’t fight back are snuffed out, and those who do fight back are doing it to prevent further and more common violence from the oppressive class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic 20,830 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, Electric Mary said: I hate that kind of argument. How many times has this happened? do you really think making kindness posts will change anything? this ISNT a one time thing, it has been happening since forever. How do you think LGBP people got their rights and their voices were heard? LGBP?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Biden 5,898 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, Economy said: Politics and social stances in general have become extremely black and white like that U try to mention a side point or an aspect u don't agree with and the immediate response from people is that u are on the other side. It doesn't always have to be one side or the other. U can agree with something in principal have have an issue with a particular detail it doesn't mean your taking the other people's side I find when discussing economy for example the same principal applies with having to be either right or left For example when I discuss the issue of income inequality, if there's a specific policy or tax I think isn't a good idea many assume I'm taking the Corporate side. Meanwhile I actually favour more taxes on the rich and have a more lefitsts stance in principal but it doesn't mean I can't point out stuff I perceive to be flaws in leftist planning So same here. Some think the violence is justified some don't. But those that don't shouldn't automatically be accused of not caring about black lives and rights. There's more involved ethically and morally to consider when u go this far in protests than just being either for it or against it Retweet I got drunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Mary 1,051 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Just now, Chic said: LGBP?? LGBT sorry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubblegum Bitch 18,934 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Lionel Hutz said: As it should, but that doesn't mean the state can stop being a reflection of the will of the people and must therefore be violently challenged. Yes, this monopoly cannot be limitless, that is why there are laws that establish the boundaries and procedure for the use of violence. Speaking about these protests, should the police use violence against those who protest peacefully? No, and we have seen police officers can even join the protest. But should the police use violence against those who are burning buildings, cars, against looters? Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Biden 5,898 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, Postboy said: If “violence is never the answer” we literally wouldn’t be living in democracy right now. At some point, either you respond to the needs of your constituents/subjects or you don’t. Can you guess what happened when King George III decided to continue ignoring the pleas of colonists? The colonists attacked the redcoats and declared independence. They never burnt down their own cities and towns. The redcoats burnt down Philadelphia, not the colonists. I got drunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill 31,812 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Trillion Reasons said: But should the police use violence against those who are burning buildings, cars, against looters? Yes. They (the protestors) are doing just that because they were welcomed with uncalled violence and/or indifference during their first attempts. Former First Lady of the United States. Now card-carrying member of the Communist Party of China (CPC). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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