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7 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

I would like to see evidence that he used money and power to pressure Ukraine president.

We all know Trump wont be removed, but impeaching him on important issues is important like I explained above. Impeaching him on things like Ukraine does nothing to help the American people. This is all a distraction because Democrats have nothing to offer other than we are not Trump, so they use fear to get votes. But the truth is, they are like Trump. Supporting their plan and playing into their manipulative games will only keep the same system that got Americans Trump forever.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-transcript.html

If you are looking for an explicit, "I want you guys to get information on Joe Biden and his son in exchange for money and military aid", then you're not getting that. However, the implication is more than enough to see what's going on.

I would also strongly argue that the Democrats are not like Trump at all. Is there endgame to get into a position of power? Absolutely. That is literally every politician's endgame. You cannot fault them for that. Without power, they can't do anything. 

"Democrats have nothing to offer other than we are not Trump"

This is just factually incorrect. Watch any of the debates. While I agree and disagree with some of the stuff some candidates are proposing, it's not like they're entire platform is, "hey, at least we're not Trump". Because unlike Trump who's made his entire campaign promise on "draining the swamp" and "building the wall", the Dems have actual candidates with actual propositions and plans. Just look at literally anything on Warren's website. She literally has a plan for everything; that's her running gag. 

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I'm so done with her.

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I was a huge fan of hers when she resigned as a VP of the DNC to endorse Bernie Sanders. I thought that took big balls to do, seemed to be of principle, and I really appreciated her profile as a veteran, woman, and person of color.

What a complete flip flop she's been, I just don't get it. From being a staple on Trump's state TV network to this, why did she even endorse Sanders in the first place? She seems to be a libertarian in her heart more than anything else, so why endorse a self-professed democratic socialist? And now she's not running for reelection in Congress knowing she surely won't win the nomination, so what the hell is her end game? She's baffling.

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The Dems still imploding I see? 

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3 hours ago, Faysalaaa said:

 

 

Pretty much any action could be an impeachable offense if the house agree to vote on it. To be impeachable, an offense does not need to break the law. There only needs to be the political will. That is, there only needs to be enough votes in the House to impeach. If Trump broke the law, he would be in jail without a congress vote. Trump has made actions that Democrats view as worthy of impeachment, while Republicans dont, and none of them are wrong. Its a matter of personal opinion weather he should be impeached or not.

So Trump Ukraine phone call is not illegal, what would be considered breaking the law is if Trump used his power and money to pressure a foreign leader to give him information which is not proven. Ukraine president only knew about the military withdrawal a month after the fact.

Why go through all this mess when we already have proof Trump broke the law, yet they want to impeach him on things that is not proven or did not break the law. Its almost like they want him to win!

Do you not know how the justice system works in the US? Clearly not, since you're not from here and haven't researched it. People in power and with vast sums of wealth constantly get away with breaking laws and aren't imprisoned when any regular American would be. 

He is Trump. Do you know how much sh!t he has gotten away with? Of course he's not going to be put in jail even when breaking a law. 

What he did was illegal. There are ACTUAL US laws that say it's illegal to solicit the aid of a foreign power for personal benefit. Period. 

The fact he gets away with it and isn't imprisoned isn't surprising, especially if you know his history and how the US justice system works. 

You're wrong and just don't see it because you clearly have done all your homework and aren't aware of US law. 

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58 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-transcript.html

If you are looking for an explicit, "I want you guys to get information on Joe Biden and his son in exchange for money and military aid", then you're not getting that. However, the implication is more than enough to see what's going on.

I would also strongly argue that the Democrats are not like Trump at all. Is there endgame to get into a position of power? Absolutely. That is literally every politician's endgame. You cannot fault them for that. Without power, they can't do anything. 

"Democrats have nothing to offer other than we are not Trump"

This is just factually incorrect. Watch any of the debates. While I agree and disagree with some of the stuff some candidates are proposing, it's not like they're entire platform is, "hey, at least we're not Trump". Because unlike Trump who's made his entire campaign promise on "draining the swamp" and "building the wall", the Dems have actual candidates with actual propositions and plans. Just look at literally anything on Warren's website. She literally has a plan for everything; that's her running gag. 

Sorry the link says I have to create an account?! im not sure how to access it. But yes to break the law, there has to be clear evidence or strong indicator.

Yes Democrats talk about amazing things that are better than Republicans, but they dont apply it. They always become republicans and do nothing of what they promised. If they offer something good, its only a small issue every decade that only effects a small number of people. Big they wont change the big issues because Democrats and Republicans all work for the same people. America as a country is not controlled by democratic politicians, its controlled by corporate interest.

Obama ran as a progressive, but his presidency is extremely republican. Now he is shaming progressives even though he won because he was a progressive.

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4 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

Sorry the link says I have to create an account?! im not sure how to access it. But yes to break the law, there has to be clear evidence or strong indicator.

Yes Democrats talk about amazing things that are better than Republicans, but they dont apply it. They always become republicans and do nothing of what they promised. If they offer something good, its one small issue every decade that only effects a small number of people. Big they wont change the big issues because Democrats and Republicans all work for the same people and corporations. America as a country is not controlled by democratic politicians, its controlled by one big corporations.

Obama ran as a progressive, but his presidency is extremely republican. Now he is shaming progressives even though he won because he was a progressive. Obama is even worse than Bush, he expanded the the wars, deported immigrants, allowed surveillance on Americans, attacked wall street protest, took american money and homes to bail out banks, jailed and spied on journalists, funded terrorists, created literal slavery in Libya.. 

It does? It didn't for me. Anyways, there are multiple websites with the full transcript up, you can look into any one of them. As for there being "clear evidence or strong indicator", there is certianly is a strong indication within the transcript. Once again, it's not this super explicit, "I'll trade you 'x' for 'y'", but anyone could conclude that he was trying to get information that pertained to Biden in exchange for more money and military aid.

As for the Dems "doing nothing of what they promised". Look, government (at least U.S. government) is convoluted. Because of just how partisan things can be, it's very difficult to pass many bills or laws that require bi-partisan effort. I mean, look, politicians (specifically those in Congress) need to look after their constituents, their party, lobbyists, adovcate groups, other members of the House or Senate, etc., etc., etc. The process of actually getting things done is much more complicated than people think. In the time we are in right now, it'll only be harder to accomplish things.

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2 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

It does? It didn't for me. Anyways, there are multiple websites with the full transcript up, you can look into any one of them. As for there being "clear evidence or strong indicator", there is certianly is a strong indication within the transcript. Once again, it's not this super explicit, "I'll trade you 'x' for 'y'", but anyone could conclude that he was trying to get information that pertained to Biden in exchange for more money and military aid.

As for the Dems "doing nothing of what they promised". Look, government (at least U.S. government) is convoluted. Because of just how partisan things can be, it's very difficult to pass many bills or laws that require bi-partisan effort. I mean, look, politicians (specifically those in Congress) need to look after their constituents, their party, lobbyists, adovcate groups, other members of the House or Senate, etc., etc., etc. The process of actually getting things done is much more complicated than people think. In the time we are in right now, it'll only be harder to accomplish things.

I disagree, they all work together to not get things done. But im not only talking about getting things done, im talking about actions the presidents and Democrats do, which they are not forced to. This alone is proof they dont want things done, and will work for the interest for corporate money.