Hillary on Bernie: "He hurt me"

[KleinGa 18,177]

19 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

"And I hope he doesn't do it again to whoever gets the nomination. Once is enough."

This is my hope too. I'm nervous at the sabotage entitled bernie will deliver when he loses the nomination. 

[HorusRa2 5,005]

55 minutes ago, SEANGT said:

I mean i'm against her kind of politics in 2020 and hope bernie wins if not warren. It was just very different in 2016 to me. The way it was a 1 vs 1 primary, the way bernie's coalition was basically built around being anti-clinton...it didn't help. Obama and Clinton did **** to each other that was bad. But they were both basically corporate centrists. Bernie was running as a rejection of the entire established democratic philosophy up until that point -- especially Clinton. 

Running a campaign that splits the party in order to move it to a more people-centered, righteous platform is necessary and he is doing good things. I'm just saying that when you have that, plus a unified GOP --- she's right when she says that bernie's campaign hurt her. You could say that waking people up to what politics can be & swaying people to want more from their government is what hurt her. Bernie did that. It's not like he shouldn't have. But that's literally a thing that happened. 

Again, the blame is on the fact that Bernie's platform and ideas were in conflict with Clinton's and that he shouldn't have ran a campaign to fight for HIS VISION for the country. What hurt Clinton was not Bernie. It was her ideas. She didn't give the people in the midwest a reason to vote for her. When the DNC had its convention, Hillary could have very easily adopted Bernie's policies that led to his victories in the Michigan and Wisconsin primary, but she did NOT. She did not pay attention to the fact her message did not resonate in that area of the country and took those states for granted. Trump seized on that and criticized her on NAFTA and TPP. She LET Trump win. She didn't even GO to Wisconsin and Trump visited states like Michigan and PA twice as much as Clinton. She didn't win because of policy and general election strategy. Pure and simple. 

[Petie Estie 5,721]

49 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said:

Again, the blame is on the fact that Bernie's platform and ideas were in conflict with Clinton's and that he shouldn't have ran a campaign to fight for HIS VISION for the country. What hurt Clinton was not Bernie. It was her ideas. She didn't give the people in the midwest a reason to vote for her. When the DNC had its convention, Hillary could have very easily adopted Bernie's policies that led to his victories in the Michigan and Wisconsin primary, but she did NOT. She did not pay attention to the fact her message did not resonate in that area of the country and took those states for granted. Trump seized on that and criticized her on NAFTA and TPP. She LET Trump win. She didn't even GO to Wisconsin and Trump visited states like Michigan and PA twice as much as Clinton. She didn't win because of policy and general election strategy. Pure and simple. 

yes. I guess I'm just saying her strategy would have been a winning strategy if Bernie didn't exist. lol. Nobody really campaigned like that ever before. I'm glad he did. 

[March34th 1,973]

She hurt herself. The 2016 election was a joke and in my opinion both Clinton and Trump were 100% unfit for presidency.

[Reginald 13,841]

 The fact that we have career politicians like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden who feel like they're entitled to presidential nominations.

It's disgusting and an affront to the entire democratic process. No, Hillary, you hurt yourself.

[HorusRa2 5,005]

26 minutes ago, SEANGT said:

yes. I guess I'm just saying her strategy would have been a winning strategy if Bernie didn't exist. lol. Nobody really campaigned like that ever before. I'm glad he did. 

I think you're missing something here. IDK if you watched all of the debates on the republican side last time but Trump was criticizing trade in the republican primary. Clinton didn't have answers on trade that were incredibly important to the voters in the midwest. Trump, while he didn't have answers, he said the democrats and republicans failed (they did) and that he would fix it. The voters believes him (and he has subsequently betrayed them). 

[Guillaume Hamon 7,025]

1 hour ago, KleinGa said:

This is my hope too. I'm nervous at the sabotage entitled bernie will deliver when he loses the nomination. 

If someone was victim of a sabotage in an election it's Sanders with the DNC tho lol.

BTW: “I want to thank Bernie for everything he's done,” Hillary Clinton, a bit before the election day. 
Then she lost and decided to blame him for not supporting her the right way. 

59 minutes ago, March34th said:

She hurt herself. The 2016 election was a joke and in my opinion both Clinton and Trump were 100% unfit for presidency.

Both Trump and HRC were deemed "not trustworthy" by around 2/3 of the american people...  

Sending a risqué candidate like her was not the best strategy. A warren, sanders or biden were not having such image issues so it would have been safer choices I guess.

[Guillaume Hamon 7,025]

 

On 12/5/2019 at 8:51 PM, JevyDuty said:

Let's not forget his base is white

I want to precise that the "sanders has a white base" thing was very exaggerated back then to make it seems like if pretty much all his voters were whites.

He even had quite more POC voters than HRC in the large 18-44  age bracket. Btw, you say "is white" but it's still less true nowadays.  

On 12/5/2019 at 8:51 PM, JevyDuty said:

He either could have helped or hurt. He did not help.

He made 39 rallies to support her and you say "he did not help"?

You want to bash him so hard that you say pure BS...  Why did HRC thanked him "for everything he did" if he did not help?  She didn't do 39 rallies for Obama when she lost in 2008.

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

21 hours ago, LibraLove said:

It doesn't matter. She could've disregarded it and ignored it but she didn't. Instead she went on and talked sh!t and then made it sound like he wasn't going to win again. 

How did she talk sh!t. His endorsement took time. Those are just facts. 

[LibraLove 1,281]

11 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

How did she talk sh!t. His endorsement took time. Those are just facts. 

His endorsement took a week or so longer than hers did of Obama. She sat there and said that he hurt her like he did it on purpose, like she should've been just cake walking through a fake primary. No. It's a primary. It's a challenge. She virtually insinuated he was not going to win this time and that he was "going to do it again." In interview after interview, she constantly degrades him, his policies, his supporters, and suggests they should "go somewhere else."

[Bt1 5,213]

3 hours ago, HorusRa2 said:

No, it's you that do not understand. 

 

People like you including Hillary herself like to talk about how it was one of the main causes and choose to ignore the policy based reasons why she lost. 

 

Also, the fact that she lost and Obama won is irrelevant. You are trying to blame a supporter base that was much more supportive than Clinton was to Obama. The good thing for Obama was the fact that he ran a campaign so good he was able to win despite the fact that so many of Clinton's supporters decided they would rather vote for a Republican instead of a Democrat. Instead, Hillary likes to drag Bernie for not being a democrat when his supporters were much more willing to vote for a Democrat than her own supporters in a previous election. 

That's the history and you need to cope with the fact that Hillary was not a progressive. Was not a good candidate. And lost because she had no idea how to beat Trump's populism. She ran on the wrong platform because her ideas and solutions are solutions of the PAST.

You see. That's the problem with Bernie supporters. No one, including myself, said that Bernie was the only factor. I've said he and some of his base were one factor. 

so time to repeat myself : Dont deny it. Learn from it. 

can u? 

[Petie Estie 5,721]

3 hours ago, HorusRa2 said:

I think you're missing something here. IDK if you watched all of the debates on the republican side last time but Trump was criticizing trade in the republican primary. Clinton didn't have answers on trade that were incredibly important to the voters in the midwest. Trump, while he didn't have answers, he said the democrats and republicans failed (they did) and that he would fix it. The voters believes him (and he has subsequently betrayed them). 

No I'm just saying there's nuance. Hillary is right. Bernie hurt her chances --- BECAUSE her politics would've been acceptable if Bernie wasn't campaigning the (righteous & correct) way that he was. He got enough people to realize Hillary wasn't that great that it was one factor that led to slightly lower enthusiasm for her. It's just literally what happened. Unfortunately he didn't do a good enough job to overcome her advantages in the process to actually beat her. So everybody lost. 

And yeah -- Hillary could have been different. But she's not. She is who she is and her politics are what they are. 

[farting 629]

Hillary is so entitled it's disgusting. You lost to a black man & a reality star. Surprise, it's not Bernie, it's you! 

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

2 hours ago, LibraLove said:

His endorsement took a week or so longer than hers did of Obama. She sat there and said that he hurt her like he did it on purpose, like she should've been just cake walking through a fake primary. No. It's a primary. It's a challenge. She virtually insinuated he was not going to win this time and that he was "going to do it again." In interview after interview, she constantly degrades him, his policies, his supporters, and suggests they should "go somewhere else."

He's not doing any better this time around either. Bernie and his supporters also constantly shít on anyone that is more centrist. It's really pearl grasping fake outrage to be mad at anyone who doesn't agree with Bernie's policies. All you have to do is read any primary debate thread on here to see how much Bernie supporters attack everyone who disagrees with him. It's tiresome. 

[HorusRa2 5,005]

45 minutes ago, SEANGT said:

No I'm just saying there's nuance. Hillary is right. Bernie hurt her chances --- BECAUSE her politics would've been acceptable if Bernie wasn't campaigning the (righteous & correct) way that he was. He got enough people to realize Hillary wasn't that great that it was one factor that led to slightly lower enthusiasm for her. It's just literally what happened. Unfortunately he didn't do a good enough job to overcome her advantages in the process to actually beat her. So everybody lost. 

And yeah -- Hillary could have been different. But she's not. She is who she is and her politics are what they are. 

That's not true lol and literally what I said. The people of the midwest did not find her politics acceptable. Trump capitalized on that weakness and Hillary took no effort to learn from her losses in the midwest and turn out a winning strategy to get those votes. She could have attacked Donald with, "You know, Donald, I just went through a very vigorous primary campaign with Bernie Sanders and through the various debates and on the campaign trail, I've listened to Bernie and to the people of this country, and trade agreements I supported in the past did in fact hurt people and cause jobs to go to over seas. However, as part of our democratic convention, I have designed a plan that will reverse the damage from the disastrous trade deals from the past and we will bring good paying union jobs back to the midwest under my new plan." etc etc. That's not what she did. 

 

You can believe whatever you want but I think the data is very clear and I also think people who continue to allow Hillary to shift the blame and responsibility for her losing to others is shameful. For someone who was truly the most qualified person to run for president and to have a resume like hers, she should know that part of being a LEADER is bearing the responsibility for the teams wins and as well as their loses. Hillary is always willing to take credit for everything that went well for her and always deflecting blame for her mistakes onto others.