Obama will stop Bernie from being a Dem nominee

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Because he wants Biden. Obama the thing is to get rid of Trump.

[Morphine Prince 109,729]

Can’t say I’m surprised by some of his comments. 

Some of us always knew this side of him but it wasn’t socially acceptable for Democrats and left leaning people to drag him but now that it is he’s getting backlash. 

 

[KingRedd 3,139]

1 hour ago, August3 said:

What's up with all the Obama hate on here? 

He doesn’t do what they like and so now they feel like he’s “ruining his legacy” lmao like a few people on Twitter and GGD matter in terms of hating him. They want someone to win who great ideas but how we get there isn’t possible. Republicans will NEVER vote or agree on anything Elizabeth or Bernie or even Biden will say. Obama is saying to dems to play it right and now be over the top progressive because unfortunately it will scare people away. Obama is smart and those who randomly all of a sudden “hate” him are probably young and their minds will change depending on where the wind is blowing. Obama knows how to win and having tons of ideas with no logical way of making it happen against republicans is not great. 

[KingRedd 3,139]

1 hour ago, JevyDuty said:

This is all a speculation and the paragraph that follows is their justification. How is this news?

The real purpose of this is to divide Democrats and I can see many of yall didn't skip a beat to get in line.

Edit: a "close" adviser... when? 4 years ago?

Right! This article didn’t even give solid information but that stopped no one from bashing Obama regardless. People are way too gullible and this isn’t going to help come 2020. 

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7 minutes ago, KingRedd said:

He doesn’t do what they like and so now they feel like he’s “ruining his legacy” lmao like a few people on Twitter and GGD matter in terms of hating him. They want someone to win who great ideas but how we get there isn’t possible. Republicans will NEVER vote or agree on anything Elizabeth or Bernie or even Biden will say. Obama is saying to dems to play it right and now be over the top progressive because unfortunately it will scare people away. Obama is smart and those who randomly all of a sudden “hate” him are probably young and their minds will change depending on where the wind is blowing. Obama knows how to win and having tons of ideas with no logical way of making it happen against republicans is not great. 

I just want to point out that this is why Democrats have not done anything they say they stand for in over 30-40 years. The framing is always about how we have to play nice with the republicans. Do you ever see republicans say they have to moderate their views and policies because they have to play nice with the democrats? No, they don't. I'm not saying that extreme partisanship is the way to go here, but it's very clear that when we cannot even pass universal background checks and a ban on assault weapons when majority of both democrats and republican citizens agree on the way forward, It means the way the system is designed today is not designed to make meaningful policy that benefits the people of this country and you can believe whatever you want but I disagree with the premise that Obama compromising on day 1 when compared to what he campaigned on was smart. 

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42 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Reagan started that trend as far as I know and Trump is simply irredeemable.

actually Carter started that trend by turning his back to Iran’s Shah. Reagan reprimanded him for it during the debates, and current scholars believe this was the start of the deterioration of peace in the middle east. 

[KingRedd 3,139]

3 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said:

I just want to point out that this is why Democrats have not done anything they say they stand for in over 30-40 years. The framing is always about how we have to play nice with the republicans. Do you ever see republicans say they have to moderate their views and policies because they have to play nice with the democrats? No, they don't. I'm not saying that extreme partisanship is the way to go here, but it's very clear that when we cannot even pass universal background checks and a ban on assault weapons when majority of both democrats and republican citizens agree on the way forward, It means the way the system is designed today is not designed to make meaningful policy that benefits the people of this country and you can believe whatever you want but I disagree with the premise that Obama compromising on day 1 when compared to what he campaigned on was smart. 

https://www.good.is/articles/obamas-achievements-in-office

 

I never said we should bow down  to republicans. I said we have to know how to WIN. Everyone is thinking way too simple as in, "If we get Sanders in he will fix it all" and thats simply not true. Then what? We bash Sanders for not doing all that he said he'd do? Thats lame. Every president accomplishes things and they all have their faults but people saying "Obama did nothing" is insulting and misinformed and will not help our cause. Obama also spent most of his presidency fixing the mess of the last president. Dems always have to fix the republican presidents mess seems like. Why do regular people get to say things like "I dont know who I like yet, I have to wait and see before I support someone" but if Obama doesn't fully back everyone he suddenly needs to "stfu and sit down". It's immature and I'm hoping those saying these things are just young because if not...we have a small problem on our hands. We can't vote for the person saying the most shiny and glittery things. Winning means we have to put someone against Trump who has ideas and can even explain to a Freshman High School student how to make it happen with ease. Republicans are going to tear apart anything a Dem does and going too progressive will seclude those who are on the fence about Dems or Republicans. Its literally giving away votes in my opinion. Im sure Obama will support whoever wins the nomination but its fine to critique your own and make them stronger. I dont love any nominee right now and a lot of people feel the same. 

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2 hours ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

So. What does this have to do with anything? 

That title is extremely misleading as well as the click bait article. 

So apparently an "I don't have an answer. We have not spoken about it", from an aid is a "yes, I will stop Bernie from becoming the nominee" from the former President. 

The reach is enormous here.

 

 

 

I'm seeing reaching headlines on a daily basis now. Typical of politics especially during elections time

 

Ppl are so biased on their political affiliation that whether it's to make their own sound good or oposers sound bad... There's a lot of exaggerations as well as fill in the blanks with how I want to interpret it moments

 

But that's people for you

 

Of course it does sound like he doesn't want Bernie and he's made comments in the past consistent with that (like warning about going too far left)

 

But in terms of actually trying to stop him... An advisor who hinted at the possibility is now being taken as confirmation. Talk about LG6 delulu confirmation teas

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56 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Which is odd considering he nearly got us into a nuclear war, campaigned on the idea of carpet bombing the Middle East and killing terrorists' families, despite their innocence, and his latest stance on immigration reform is an invasion of Mexico.

Completely.

I am sure that someone who is in the room has been the one holding Trump back. We almost went to war with Iran over the silliest thing a few months ago, not to mention the talks with NK, now Mexico, etc... It all looks like to me Trump is okay with the idea of going to war if his base supports it, but he keeps being held back. It's great that we haven't (yet) but I'm also very cognizant of the fact that Trump is almost sociopathically uninterested in things unrelated to him, so the reason we haven't yet can't really be ascribed to him as an individual. Like, can you imagine Trump in the situation room, making decisions on military operations? He's literally an idiot.  As we've learned from Nikki Haley ( ) Tillerson and Kelly were trying to save Donald Trump from himself,  because he's not smart or competent enough to know any better. So we should really be thanking those few professionals in the white house and in foreign affairs who are doing their jobs to the best of their abilities.

Again the solution is to pick a president that isn't a war hawk (which is why we should go with Bernie - Warren's probably weakest spot is her lack of knowledge on foreign policy, and Pete is a proud imperialist in the vein of Clinton and Obama, so we can expect more military action under him for sure) 

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19 minutes ago, KingRedd said:

https://www.good.is/articles/obamas-achievements-in-office

 

I never said we should bow down  to republicans. I said we have to know how to WIN. Everyone is thinking way too simple as in, "If we get Sanders in he will fix it all" and thats simply not true. Then what? We bash Sanders for not doing all that he said he'd do? Thats lame. Every president accomplishes things and they all have their faults but people saying "Obama did nothing" is insulting and misinformed and will not help our cause. Obama also spent most of his presidency fixing the mess of the last president. Dems always have to fix the republican presidents mess seems like. Why do regular people get to say things like "I dont know who I like yet, I have to wait and see before I support someone" but if Obama doesn't fully back everyone he suddenly needs to "stfu and sit down". It's immature and I'm hoping those saying these things are just young because if not...we have a small problem on our hands. We can't vote for the person saying the most shiny and glittery things. Winning means we have to put someone against Trump who has ideas and can even explain to a Freshman High School student how to make it happen with ease. Republicans are going to tear apart anything a Dem does and going too progressive will seclude those who are on the fence about Dems or Republicans. Its literally giving away votes in my opinion. Im sure Obama will support whoever wins the nomination but its fine to critique your own and make them stronger. I dont love any nominee right now and a lot of people feel the same. 

I’m not saying Obama didn’t do anything but he definitely didn’t deliver what he campaigned on. With regard to Sanders, Bernie’s theory of change with regard to rallying the American people and calling out democrats who don’t support his agenda has not been done in the same way Bernie advocates for in many, many decades. I’m not delusional to believe Bernie can get all of his agenda passed but I do believe his theory of change and how we get it passed is the best possible option in the political environment we are currently in. 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, KingRedd said:

https://www.good.is/articles/obamas-achievements-in-office

 

I never said we should bow down  to republicans. I said we have to know how to WIN. Everyone is thinking way too simple as in, "If we get Sanders in he will fix it all" and thats simply not true. Then what? We bash Sanders for not doing all that he said he'd do? Thats lame. Every president accomplishes things and they all have their faults but people saying "Obama did nothing" is insulting and misinformed and will not help our cause. Obama also spent most of his presidency fixing the mess of the last president. Dems always have to fix the republican presidents mess seems like. Why do regular people get to say things like "I dont know who I like yet, I have to wait and see before I support someone" but if Obama doesn't fully back everyone he suddenly needs to "stfu and sit down". It's immature and I'm hoping those saying these things are just young because if not...we have a small problem on our hands. We can't vote for the person saying the most shiny and glittery things. Winning means we have to put someone against Trump who has ideas and can even explain to a Freshman High School student how to make it happen with ease. Republicans are going to tear apart anything a Dem does and going too progressive will seclude those who are on the fence about Dems or Republicans. Its literally giving away votes in my opinion. Im sure Obama will support whoever wins the nomination but its fine to critique your own and make them stronger. I dont love any nominee right now and a lot of people feel the same. 

There is a difference between being indifferent or not yet informed enough about a candidate to support one and having the inclination to actively stop Bernie from being the nominee. The fact that he would even consider speaking out against a candidate that actual Americans literally want as their nominee tells you a LOT about him  And its not because Bernie is an existential threat to democracy or American civilization, its because hes a threat to corruption, which we should all support.

That would be so incredibly partisan and improper to do. Its like saying "If the next nominee doesn't follow my goals and plans to a tea, they won't be allowed to win" - Can you imagine if all political parties and candidates all had to be exactly the same in order to get support? This whole scenario gives him too much influence over the future of the country contrasted with the actual citizens of this country. It's lowkey anti-democratic. 

Lets take his problem with Elizabeth Warren. He likes her, he wanted her in his administration, supported and lobbied for the CFPB even when she wasn't in congress, considers her a friend, etc. His problem with her isn't her or her ideas, its that  her ideas would make his legacy look bad because it will do what he refused to do - tax the rich and help solve income inequality. This whole thing is really arrogant and shows his insecurity about his own legacy, which really shouldn't matter at all. Obama can put his pride away and support what is best for the people, even if what the people decide is not what YOU as an individual would. 

It's great that he claims that he will support the nominee no matter who they are, but the suggestion that he would tear down a candidate that he personally doesn't like, knowing his influence, is pretty gross to me. That being said, he should've been more aggressive in telling Joe not to run, because even if Joe wins, he's pretty clearly deficient as a candidate and as a person  

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2 hours ago, Brainiac said:

This is incredibly disappointing to read. My respect for Obama has really diminished in the past year. If they really try to stop Bernie from becoming the nominee if he gets the most votes in the primary, there’s going to be an uproar in this country like never before. And you can bet that Trump will win a second term for sure if that happens. 

The DNC doesn't learn. The reason there's a primary and convention at all is because of the uproar and protests that happened when the DNC decided to randomly nominate a candidate behind closed doors.  Still, they kept superdelegates with a disproportionate voting power. After losing with Hillary, they're doing their best to push Hillary 2.0. The DNC is so dumb it's astounding. 

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31 minutes ago, KingRedd said:

https://www.good.is/articles/obamas-achievements-in-office

 

I never said we should bow down  to republicans. I said we have to know how to WIN. Everyone is thinking way too simple as in, "If we get Sanders in he will fix it all" and thats simply not true. Then what? We bash Sanders for not doing all that he said he'd do? Thats lame. Every president accomplishes things and they all have their faults but people saying "Obama did nothing" is insulting and misinformed and will not help our cause. Obama also spent most of his presidency fixing the mess of the last president. Dems always have to fix the republican presidents mess seems like. Why do regular people get to say things like "I dont know who I like yet, I have to wait and see before I support someone" but if Obama doesn't fully back everyone he suddenly needs to "stfu and sit down". It's immature and I'm hoping those saying these things are just young because if not...we have a small problem on our hands. We can't vote for the person saying the most shiny and glittery things. Winning means we have to put someone against Trump who has ideas and can even explain to a Freshman High School student how to make it happen with ease. Republicans are going to tear apart anything a Dem does and going too progressive will seclude those who are on the fence about Dems or Republicans. Its literally giving away votes in my opinion. Im sure Obama will support whoever wins the nomination but its fine to critique your own and make them stronger. I dont love any nominee right now and a lot of people feel the same. 

Obama is much better than Trump, of course, and he was the best candidate at the time. Let's not act like Obamacare wasn't a mess of a compromise that basically worked in favor of private insurance companies. Let's not act like Obama isn't responsible for significantly expanding the drone program and killing tons of civilians including children in the middle east. He decided to ramp up immigrant family separation and deportations. I don't know how you think that's excusable.  We all wanted Obama to be a great president but he really wasn't. We all want to believe it so we can brag to the Republicans but it's simply not true. We wanted it to be true so we could fight all the racist attacks that conservatives made against Obama. But he didn't live up to it and he is a war criminal and an especially horrible one at that, plain and simple.

I wanted to love Obama, I really did. And I called him a great president for a long time. But then I learned of the real awful stuff he did. You really want me to think of 200 people who died at a wedding from a drone strike and ignore it? Just call it "collateral damage" and move on? It's a f*cking disgusting mentality. 

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2 hours ago, August3 said:

What's up with all the Obama hate on here? 

We learned the truth about him. We all wanted him to be a great president. It's not exactly a defensible thing to kill hundreds of innocent civilians including children in the middle east for the sake of an endless war. 

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2 hours ago, Buddy said:

It should also be noted that he criticized Buttigieg, Kamala, and Elizabeth as well.

He better sit the **** down before he obliterates his entire legacy, which already happens to be deteriorating without his egocentric mouth. 

Who’s he rooting for? Trump?