5th Democratic Primary Debate Discussion

[Marilyn MonHoe 11,011]

8 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Why can't both be true? He is literally saying what the majority of the country is thinking. 

 

Senator Bernie Sanders is the candidate most trusted on health care by Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, though the Medicare-for-all plan he’s championed is significantly less popular than the “public option” approach put forward by some other candidates. Among adults overall, a narrow majority (53%) support the idea of a Medicare-for-all plan while a larger majority (65%) say they support a government-run public option that would compete with private insurance. Large majorities of Democrats support both a public option (88%) and Medicare-for-all (77%), and while most Republicans oppose both approaches to expanding coverage, more favor the public option proposal (41%) than a Medicare-for-all plan (27%).

 

 

https://www.kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/kff-health-tracking-poll-november-2019/

https://slate.com/business/2019/10/medicare-for-all-is-getting-less-popular.html

 

Because it’s typical politician double speak that makes no sense. Say two different things so that no one knows what your true position is. That should be transparent to anyone that isn’t a dishonest hack.

 

Overall a majority of Democrats support M4A so you’re still wrong.

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

1 minute ago, Marilyn MonHoe said:

Because it’s typical politician double speak that makes no sense. Say two different things so that no one knows what your true position is. That should be transparent to anyone that isn’t a dishonest hack.

 

Overall a majority of Democrats support M4A so you’re still wrong.

Not a vast majority of Americans.  Which was my point. 

 

[Marilyn MonHoe 11,011]

5 minutes ago, OG Gaga Stan said:

People were chanting "lock him up" at Sanders rallies, about Trump. And they're right to chant it.

What a moronic, blatant attempt to compare Trump and Bernie. Disgusting.

Corporate media will do anything to smear Bernie. Disgusting 

[Othon 34,299]

I can't get over that question. They would never asked something like that to another candidate.

[Othon 34,299]

Amy Klobuchar is polling at 1%-2%. She's not even remotely competitive in any early primary state. Why is she getting more speaking time than the leading candidates? 

[Marilyn MonHoe 11,011]

2 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Link

https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

1 minute ago, OG Gaga Stan said:

Amy Klobuchar is polling at 1%-2%. She's not even remotely competitive in any early primary state. Why is she getting more speaking time than the leading candidates? 

She is so boring and brings nothing to the table. 

[Azor Ahai 18,861]

Where can I watch? Not from US.

[CommonWhiteGirl 1,039]

Just now, Azor Ahai said:

Where can I watch? Not from US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/?reload=true 

[Othon 34,299]

Seriously, get these nobodies off the stage. This is a massive waste of everyone's time. If you want the three leading candidates (even throw in Pete given that he's competitive in Iowa) to really go head to head and make the distinctions they need to make in order to sell their ideas to the American people, get these nobodies polling at 1% off the stage. 

[Marilyn MonHoe 11,011]

6 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Not a vast majority of Americans.  Which was my point. 

 

You’re arguing against a point that I never raised. I said that overall the majority of Democrats support M4A not the vast majority, stop moving the goalposts of our discussion.

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

1 minute ago, Marilyn MonHoe said:

https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/

I guess you didn't read it since it also says,

'KFF polling also shows many people falsely assume they would be able to keep their current health insurance under a single-payer plan (Figure 12), suggesting another potential area for decreased support especially since most supporters (67 percent) of such a proposal think they would be able to keep their current health insurance coverage (Figure 13).'

And 

'KFF polling finds that Americans know little about how the leading Medicare-for-all proposals would reshape the way all Americans get and pay for health care (Figure 9), and public support for Medicare-for-all shifts significantly when people hear arguments about potential tax increases or delays in medical tests and treatment (Figure 10). Additionally, when such a plan is described in terms of the trade-offs (higher taxes but lower out-of-pocket costs), the public is almost equally split in their support (Figure 11).'

[Othon 34,299]

1 minute ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

I guess you didn't read it since it also says,

'KFF polling also shows many people falsely assume they would be able to keep their current health insurance under a single-payer plan (Figure 12), suggesting another potential area for decreased support especially since most supporters (67 percent) of such a proposal think they would be able to keep their current health insurance coverage (Figure 13).'

And 

'KFF polling finds that Americans know little about how the leading Medicare-for-all proposals would reshape the way all Americans get and pay for health care (Figure 9), and public support for Medicare-for-all shifts significantly when people hear arguments about potential tax increases or delays in medical tests and treatment (Figure 10). Additionally, when such a plan is described in terms of the trade-offs (higher taxes but lower out-of-pocket costs), the public is almost equally split in their support (Figure 11).'

When you tell people that they will have better coverage under M4A, multiple polls have found that M4A becomes even MORE popular than it was prior to them knowing that they won't be on their old, insufficient healthcare plan anymore. 

Stop wasting everyone's time going back and forth trying to debate just HOW popular a blatantly popular policy is. You're not making the point you think you're making.

[Marilyn MonHoe 11,011]

1 minute ago, OG Gaga Stan said:

Seriously, get these nobodies off the stage. This is a massive waste of everyone's time. If you want the three leading candidates (even throw in Pete given that he's competitive in Iowa) to really go head to head and make the distinctions they need to make in order to sell their ideas to the American people, get these nobodies polling at 1% off the stage. 

Honestly. We could have much more constructive debates if there weren’t 10 people up there 

There needs to be much more stringent requirements for future debates.

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

This is the worst debate so far.

Pete, Warren, and Bernie are barely even getting questions... who CARES about 1-2% polling nationally candidates right now, jesus.

They're really just gonna let Biden get this nomination uncontested.