Gaga explains “Fame is prison” tweet tonight during Jazz and piano

[Spartacus 4,485]

 

10 hours ago, ANTI WP said:

Just because she knows how FAME works and blah blah doesnt changes that she is getting tired of it all 

She is going thru some shitty phase that we dont aware of ..please lets have some sympathy for our girl 

I didnt expect " whatever and idgaf " attitude from you because you were one of the kindest person in ggd 

When somebody ( fans ) doesnt care about her feelings in ggd i will defend her ... i am that kinnda fan...you know ?!! 

Anyhow ..you do you ...have a great day 🙂

My comment was not meant to sound like "whatever and idgaf" and didn't say a word about not caring about what she's going through.  I said she shouldn't act like she didn't know this was coming.

 

NO ONE (celebrities included) deserves to be stalked or harassed by anyone!

10 hours ago, derpmonster said:

@Spartacus so you're seeing she deserves to live with all the consequences of choosing her fame?

It's not like she can just back away. Even if she retires, she'll always be LADY GAGA. People recognize her without makeup now.

Really? You're saying that because she knew all that, so now she deserves to live with being stalked, being dehumanized, feeling isolated, all that?

We wouldn't have a Lady Gaga and this site and this fandom and any of her messages if she didn't choose it. What you're implying is f*cked up because she gave the world so much and you're saying she deserves to suffer for it.

I never said one word about her deserving any of the trappings of fame!

7 hours ago, skedaddleBItCh said:

Goddamnit

Stop it

 

7 hours ago, TylerBR97 said:

I never wanted the “Excuse me no,” reaction back more than I do right now

 

It is refreshing to see GGD defending Gaga so passionately though - I'm so used to seeing the majority trashing her and/or her team simply because she's not given them new music every 12 months.

[Ghost Face 6,236]

I think it's quite simple:

The tweet contains a vision of Gaga from a perspective in which we cannot even put ourselves a tiny bit in.

So let's stop judge it, we simply don't know what is like (to her).

[derpmonster 22,412]

1 hour ago, Spartacus said:

never said one word about her deserving any of the trappings of fame!

What are you implying then? You're basically saying "get over it" and "don't complain" which amount to the same. 

[Franch Toast 26,795]

Believe it or not, some people who love performing don't do it because they want to be famous, but being famous can certainly help them make a career out of their art. 

I think for any arts field – music, acting, visual arts, writing, dance – you'll always have people who idealize these careers and pursue them just for fame and money, but those people usually don't make it very far, because it takes a hell of a lot of hard work, rejection, failure, discipline, and commitment to succeed in these careers, and even a lot of very talented, hardworking people don't make it in these fields. LG is very savvy. Talent generally isn't enough to launch the careers of most musicians, and she figured out a way to stand out with her very provocative performances. Fame gave her a platform to cultivate the artistic career she desires, but it doesn't mean she wanted to be famous as an end goal – in other words, her fame has been a means to an end. It's not like she's a reality TV star who's famous just for the sake of being famous. 

The privilege that comes along with her celebrity and wealth doesn't discount her personal struggles. Certainly,  I don't stay awake at night worrying about her like I do, say, families being detained and split apart at the U.S. border (images kids in cages will forever disturb me), or people I know who don't have enough money to seek the medical treatment they need, but I have the capacity to have empathy for people in a range of situations. Anyway, I don't think she was complaining about fame, but rather, reflecting on it in a critical sense. 

 

[Wolverin3RN 28]

I was present at the show last night and it was heartbreaking hearing her discuss what she meant by the tweet and how she just misses being able to interact with others in a normal fashion without being bombarded. Majority of us have no idea how exhausting it must be to constantly be scrutinized, photographed and pestered no matter what you are doing.  I don’t believe anyone that becomes famous truly understands the microscope you are under as a celebrity until you are there and living it.  **** I was at the casino when she was playing blackjack, would I have loved to meet her?... of course I would have (she seems down to earth and funny as hell in addition to the musical talent she has) but I didn’t feel it was my place to go force myself on her or snap photos.  I’m sure she just wanted a night out to live and gamble like the rest of us that were hanging out in Vegas. 
And this is all in addition to dealing with a painful health issue and the emotional rollercoaster with her relationships in the recent past. 
The woman needs support just like any other individual. Be Kind!

[NT78 1,230]

16 minutes ago, Franch Toast said:

Believe it or not, some people who love performing don't do it because they want to be famous, but being famous can certainly help them make a career out of their art. 

I think for any arts field – music, acting, visual arts, writing, dance – you'll always have people who idealize these careers and pursue them just for fame and money, but those people usually don't make it very far, because it takes a hell of a lot of hard work, rejection, failure, discipline, and commitment to succeed in these careers, and even a lot of very talented, hardworking people don't make it in these fields. LG is very savvy. Talent generally isn't enough to launch the careers of most musicians, and she figured out a way to stand out with her very provocative performances. Fame gave her a platform to cultivate the artistic career she desires, but it doesn't mean she wanted to be famous as an end goal – in other words, her fame has been a means to an end. It's not like she's a reality TV star who's famous just for the sake of being famous. 

The privilege that comes along with her celebrity and wealth doesn't discount her personal struggles. Certainly,  I don't stay awake at night worrying about her like I do, say, families being detained and split apart at the U.S. border (images kids in cages will forever disturb me), or people I know who don't have enough money to seek the medical treatment they need, but I have the capacity to have empathy for people in a range of situations. Anyway, I don't think she was complaining about fame, but rather, reflecting on it in a critical sense. 

 

Except that she has said, in NUMEROUS instances, that she wanted fame, wanted to be a popstar, idolized that lifestyle and did her damndest to get there. She didn't accidentally fall into it, she actively pursued it. 

And that doesn't mean she has to love every aspect of it. She is allowed to hate whatever parts of fame that she wants. But sometimes, it *seems* like she is blowing things out of proportion or beating a dead horse on the subject, and that rubs some people the wrong way. 

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5 hours ago, Lord Temptation said:

She doesn’t live in the Malibu house anymore because it was nearly destroyed by the bushfire that came very close to her property from a couple of months ago.

 

Oh, I know all about the Malibu fires. I saw the smoke from my house for days. But that was a year ago. Is there something preventing her from going back? Was power to her home disrupted long term or something? Just curious, as I know that residents whose homes didn't burn down were able to return home months ago. 

[Franch Toast 26,795]

8 minutes ago, NT78 said:

Except that she has said, in NUMEROUS instances, that she wanted fame, wanted to be a popstar, idolized that lifestyle and did her damndest to get there. She didn't accidentally fall into it, she actively pursued it. 

And that doesn't mean she has to love every aspect of it. She is allowed to hate whatever parts of fame that she wants. But sometimes, it *seems* like she is blowing things out of proportion or beating a dead horse on the subject, and that rubs some people the wrong way. 

True. But idealizing fame is one thing; realizing what it actually entails is another. As she cautions when singing "Paparazzi" during J&P, "Be careful what you wish for." 

Anyway, I don't think she's actually complaining/venting when she makes these remarks – as I said before, I think she's critically reflecting on fame and sharing these reflections with people. Also, it's part of her performance schtick at J&P – she sells each song with her little remarks. I don't think she's actively seeking sympathy from people, but that doesn't mean some people won't be sympathetic to her when she expresses these thoughts. 

She seems pretty aware of her privilege. For example, at last weekend's J&P, she was extremely humbled that Owen's family presented her with a gift to help with her chronic pain when they are going through something much more severe (Owen is the young man who has a rare, severe form of autism). 

That said, it's fully reasonable for her remarks to leave a bitter taste in people's mouths. I get why it would irk some people, but I'm not bothered by it personally. 

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29 minutes ago, Wolverin3RN said:

I was present at the show last night and it was heartbreaking hearing her discuss what she meant by the tweet and how she just misses being able to interact with others in a normal fashion without being bombarded. Majority of us have no idea how exhausting it must be to constantly be scrutinized, photographed and pestered no matter what you are doing.  I don’t believe anyone that becomes famous truly understands the microscope you are under as a celebrity until you are there and living it.  **** I was at the casino when she was playing blackjack, would I have loved to meet her?... of course I would have (she seems down to earth and funny as hell in addition to the musical talent she has) but I didn’t feel it was my place to go force myself on her or snap photos.  I’m sure she just wanted a night out to live and gamble like the rest of us that were hanging out in Vegas. 
And this is all in addition to dealing with a painful health issue and the emotional rollercoaster with her relationships in the recent past. 
The woman needs support just like any other individual. Be Kind!

She said all the same stuff at the June 9 show I was at. She said "it is legal for people to stalk me" and then went on about how she misses people, feels lonely, etc. And I'll bet she said it at  every other J&P show, right before Paparazzi,  if you look for videos online. It helps set the mood for the "scary/dramatic" musical style of the song.

It's not a new conversation she is having at these shows, but her tweeting about it was just adding more fuel, I guess, so she could continue to have the conversation and connect it to something recently relevant. In her earliest J&P shows, she even said something to the effect of "but I don't mean to give you a sob story up here covered in diamonds," so at some level, she knows that what she is saying won't garner much sympathy because she also gets to enjoy the privileges/luxuries that fame allows her.  She probably put this song into the show JUST so she could have this discussion onstage, because it has a lot more impact there than from a place like Twitter.  I don't understand the motivation behind the tweet, simply because she has another outlet for this message, and it's redundant, but her tweets defy explanation routinely. 

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11 minutes ago, Franch Toast said:

True. But idealizing fame is one thing; realizing what it actually entails is another. As she cautions when singing "Paparazzi" during J&P, "Be careful what you wish for." 

Anyway, I don't think she's actually complaining/venting when she makes these remarks – as I said before, I think she's critically reflecting on fame and sharing these reflections with people. Also, it's part of her performance schtick at J&P – she sells each song with her little remarks. I don't think she's actively seeking sympathy from people, but that doesn't mean some people won't be sympathetic to her when she expresses these thoughts. 

She seems pretty aware of her privilege. For example, at last weekend's J&P, she was extremely humbled that Owen's family presented her with a gift to help with her chronic pain when they are going through something much more severe (Owen is the young man who has a rare, severe form of autism). 

That said, it's fully reasonable for her remarks to leave a bitter taste in people's mouths. I get why it would irk some people, but I'm not bothered by it personally. 

Exactly. I agree with this perspective. I feel like people don't need to be THAT worried about her, but the tweet dragged  people into it and made them worried (understandably) because they maybe are NOT aware of this whole conversation being a part of her jazz show. The tweet may have been a lapse in judgment. She didn't elaborate on Twitter, she just left the thought there and let people run away with it. She clarified at the show, to an audience of (theoretically millions but actually) only 5,000. 

[LilyLark 10,093]

8 hours ago, NT78 said:

Serious question here. Does she REALLY have "like 30" people waiting outside her home at all times NOWADAYS? If so, where are all those paparazzi photos? I am honestly wondering if this is something she still deals with every day at home. I wouldn't think so, because she lives in a normal neighborhood in the Hollywood hills and I imagine the neighbors wouldn't stand for that for very long. And her house in Malibu (why doesn't she live there anymore, by the way?) is on a semi private road/set WAY far back from the street. It seems like she was able to come and go when she lived in Malibu without being harassed all the time. 

I know when she is in NYC she is basically followed the whole time, but I thought that wasn't as big an issue in CA. Maybe I'm way off base, though. I just figured there would be way more photos of her out there than there are unless she literally never leaves her house, which we know isn't the case. 

Also, she just spent 2 nights gambling at the Park MGM and all the photos/videos online that I saw were very down low type ones, where the people taking them were obviously just regular people being sneaky. I didn't see hoards of "stalkers" harassing her. People gambling around her literally weren't even looking her way. 

I don't mean to downplay how she FEELS, but is it possible that her perception is not in line with reality? Anxiety/depression does that to you. I know. It skews your view of your own life/experience and makes you believe it is worse than it really is. 

I thought it was interesting that her psychiatrist/therapist was in the audience at one of her shows last week. Not sure what to think of that, but at least this doctor is hearing what she is saying during these shows. Maybe it's part of her therapy to get this stuff out of her head and say it out loud to validate it and get it off her chest. She did also mention that therapy sessions make her feel like **** immediately afterwards, but then she feels better later. I feel like these J&P shows are somehow therapeutic for her, while also being  a performance. 

She is an artist. Being famous is hard for creative people. It is a double edged sword. However, many, many artists that are NOT famous also struggle a lot. It's part of having that kind of brain. Even if she stopped being "famous," her mental health struggles would likely continue. The isolation she deals with is part of those issues, and even if she spent the rest of her life around people (REAL, genuine people) she might always feel alone on the inside. It's a sad truth for so many people who live with depression and anxiety. 

She was definitely being stalked like crazy after the Oscars, but I don't think it's to the same extent any more. Agree that depression/anxiety and social media might make the fishbowl seem worse for her. There have been studies about how twitter can impact people's mental health. Social media is an echo chamber, and it amplifies negativity and makes small issues seem much larger. I feel like people forget that something like less than 10% of the US is on social media.

IMO for her mental health she should get off social media or turn it completely over to her team. Like I enjoy seeing Gaga being active, but I can't imagine how it feels for her to see the utter meanness directed at her—sometimes by fans. I'm sure her team filters a lot of it, but she's obviously aware to a certain extent. I know people often go "well, so and so needs to learn how to take criticism" but it often goes beyond criticism into straight up bullying on twitter. It must be one thing for her to hear the occasional bit of sh*t, another to see hundreds of people tell her she's a worthless b8sh, to go kill herself, etc. (some of the comments I saw from the overreaction about the prison tweet).

And tbh, the fans definitely contribute at times too—I saw a few mainstream big twitter accounts pick up fans tweets about her missing a note at that performance from a week ago and they tagged Gaga with tweets like "Gaga's fans criticize her voice." I understand why some thought the prison comment was a bit tone deaf, but even some of the fans piled in and were extremely vitriolic rather than being mildly snarky.

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47 minutes ago, LilyLark said:

 

IMO for her mental health she should get off social media or turn it completely over to her team. Like I enjoy seeing Gaga being active, but I can't imagine how it feels for her to see the utter meanness directed at her—sometimes by fans. I'm sure her team filters a lot of it, but she's obviously aware to a certain extent. I know people often go "well, so and so needs to learn how to take criticism" but it often goes beyond criticism into straight up bullying on twitter. It must be one thing for her to hear the occasional bit of sh*t, another to see hundreds of people tell her she's a worthless b8sh, to go kill herself, etc. (some of the comments I saw from the overreaction about the prison tweet).

 

I don't think she needs to stop tweeting/IG posting, but DEFINITELY needs to stop reading the comments. The comments section under literally every tweet are truly "the toilet of the internet." She mentioned some of the comments that bothered her and, really, she should know better than to give any weight to anything negative people say on Twitter. She is basically walking right into that trap and I don't know why she is doing that to herself. 

[LilyLark 10,093]

5 minutes ago, NT78 said:

I don't think she needs to stop tweeting/IG posting, but DEFINITELY needs to stop reading the comments. The comments section under literally every tweet are truly "the toilet of the internet." She mentioned some of the comments that bothered her and, really, she should know better than to give any weight to anything negative people say on Twitter. She is basically walking right into that trap and I don't know why she is doing that to herself. 

I agree, but I feel like that's pretty common. I remember Jennifer Lawrence mentioned in an interview, a few years ago, that she used to google herself on occasion and read comment sections even though she knew she'd regret it. If you know someone is talking sh*t about you, there's often some weird curiosity slash masochistic impulse to know what they are saying and I imagine it's the same for celebs.  And I agree she shouldn't give it weight, unless she truly f*cks up, but when she has thousands of angry comments I can see how it's harder to brush off...

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

3 hours ago, NT78 said:

Oh, I know all about the Malibu fires. I saw the smoke from my house for days. But that was a year ago. Is there something preventing her from going back? Was power to her home disrupted long term or something? Just curious, as I know that residents whose homes didn't burn down were able to return home months ago. 

Not sure, unless there is some other security issue we don’t know about. It would be scary living in such a big house all by yourself!

[Fresco 1,688]

22 hours ago, Lord Temptation said:

Not sure, unless there is some other security issue we don’t know about. It would be scary living in such a big house all by yourself!

Why? Big houses aren't scary. If you are the only person in the house, then you are the only person in the house.  Period. She has dogs, winds blow, changes in humidity and pressure sometimes cause things to creak. But those things happen in small houses too.