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13 minutes ago, Eighteen said:

people are going to take issue with the fact that bernie had a heart attack and that he's 78, whether it's right to do so or not. and if bernie wins the nomination (which i, at this point, highly doubt, unless elizabeth warren somehow nosedives like kamala harris did), trump is going to take his health scare and run it straight to the bank. he's going to use socialism as his number one scare tactic, and i know what the polls say that bernie is winning nationally against trump, but quite frankly when trump sets his crosshairs on bernie and bernie alone, mark my words that is going to change. 

Biden had brain surgery. That and his millions of gaffes are also ammo for Trump. Warren’s Pocahontas debacle and her history as being a republican is ammo. ANYTHING is ammo for that moron. 

Death is always a risk with presidents. But their agendas don’t suddenly disappear if they die. They have an entire administration and a Vice President to carry on. That’s the whole point of a VP. In addition to that, Bernie has a movement behind him. His fundraising shows that. 

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Eighteen

and before you go on about bernie, i'm pro elizabeth warren and can see her losing the general too. cause in case you forgot, americans hate women who run for president so she can lose too. in 2016 they brought hillary clinton down to the same level as donald trump, a level to which she remains at in the minds of many today. so GOOD LUCK to warren in the general, should she get the nom. 

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HorusRa2
47 minutes ago, Eighteen said:

i'm aware that trump will probably call anyone who wins a socialist, but on which candidate do you think that label will stick to most? may i remind you that only one of them will not say they are a capitalist (which will bother people).

i mean to me this is all whatever to me anyway because unless elizabeth warren messes up large, bernie's not winning. too much baggage from 2016 (whether people like it or not, he's got baggage), his health scare a few days ago, and even before that he trailed warren consistently in the polls bc she's just better. quite frankly, when it boils down to it, i honestly don't care who wins the democratic nomination as long as they win the general. but if you ask my honest opinion, it's probably not gonna be bernie. BUT i thought trump would never win so what do i know (back then i thought the american electorate was smarter than that but no both sides blew it and here we are). 

I would just say that based on the people and their political donations, your comment doesn’t make much sense. Bernie and Yang have the most crossover appeal in polling with Trump voters & Bernie gets more donations than any other candidate in counties that went for Obama twice before going for Trump. Bernie also currently has more individual donors than every campaign including Trumps so I don’t see the socialism bad argument really hurting him in the general. In fact, his strength is that he openly admits to being a democratic socialist. It lessens the sting that Trump can bring. 

 

I’d also argue that it’s too early to say who does or does not have a chance to win. In fact, the people saying the nomination process is over have been won over by the media manufacturering consent and the DNC trying to use their invisible hand in choosing the nominee for the people. There has not been a single vote cast yet & no actual proof of where the public sentiment really lies. A lot of the reason Trump overperformed in the general was because people didn’t express their support for him until the ballot box. There’s no reason to suggest that can’t be true this time whether to Bernie’s benefit or not.

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ALGAYDO
1 hour ago, Halsey said:

Or how abt we say no to socialism and nominate Biden?

Nnnnnn not a Halsey fan being shítty towards something that they know nothing about. OhMyGod. The irony :ladyhaha:

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Economy
1 hour ago, HorusRa2 said:

How about you read a book and realize that Bernie’s policies aren’t socialism & that there’s a difference between democratic socialism and authoritarian socialism that the Biden campaign keeps trying to scare voters about. 

Both types of socialism democratic or authoritarian have the word socialism in them tho. Short form but generally speaking ppl know what we mean. They just enjoy getting technical on definitions to sound smart and the other person dumb like they dont know what they are talking about :deadbanana:

 

as for ur other posts above i cant comment on these other ppl cuz i dont know much about them but im not one of the hypocrites. Ppl of high positions i always have reservations once they pass a certain age especially if their health isnt perfect

 

i also feel like ur minimizing the deal of the heart attack. Mild or not they dont happen ramdomly for no reason at all... whether the circulatory system is off, arteries have blockages, or heart desiese, what ever allowed a heart attack to be triggered usually doesnt just go away. 

 

Im not saying he cant run. Depending on the circumstances maybe hell be fine as long as hes monitored. Im saying I understand concern

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ItsTommyBitch
On 10/11/2019 at 2:18 PM, JusKeepBreathin said:

This ad...

I'm the victim, I'm the victim, I'm the victim therefore I should be your president. 

I have seen the media go after Biden, in his previous policies regarding crime.

Yesterday Ari Mebler shows that.

I have seen the media go ballistic over Warren's native American heritage test.

I have seen the media attack Corey Booker over race baiting.

I have seen the media trash Kamala over her prosecution record and picture she posted after the first debate.

I have seen the media call Bernie a cranky, loud, old man. 

But Bernie is the only one claiming to be a victim of the media. 

Pathetic ad, his people should be ashamed. 

 

Yeah no.

That's not "media bias".  It's not "don't ever cover my mistakes, accidents, slip ups, problems, etc" -EVERYONE should have these things reported on in order to let people have all the information so that they can be informed voters. Transparency is key.

It is however a problem when you have major "liberal" networks like MSNBC even (not to mention CNN etc) who have guests on that are allowed to go on rants about how Bernie makes them uncomfortable "as a woman" and to smear his name without being corrected or criticized. There have also been antisemitic dogwhistles in describing and depicting him that have gone uncriticized. There are also people who have confirmed on twitter that they were made to disparage or ignore Bernie in some way while on air as part of their time being on the show.

It is a problem when Bernie polls #2 and publications only talk about Warren rising and Biden falling. There have been polls showing growth from both Bernie and Warren in the last months after certain moments and mainstream media has reported on it as "Warren and Biden top candidates" even when at that point Bernie was still points ahead of Warren. They literally leave him out on purpose. Nate Silver (for w.e reason, a well respected pollster and analyst) came out and said "is this a 2 man race between Biden and Warren?" based on a poll that had Warren at 17.0 and Bernie and 16.8... He argued that that .2 points difference means Bernie is a 2nd tier candidate along the lines of Kamala and Pete who were at 4-6%... despite being over 10 points above them.

That is media bias. There is a lot more. 

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Whispering
6 hours ago, Economy said:

3 to 5 years is a reaching call to make without knowing the details. Depends how bad it was, how much damage it caused and how well treated the root cause is

 

nevertheless i think hes high risk to take on such an important role whether or not he lives long enough to get thru term

 

President is a demanding and stressful job and a reasonable enough health especially when ur approaching 80 i think is crutial

 

Theres a famous woman here in the Toronto area (Hazel Mccallion) who was the Mayor of Mississauga (a city of 800,000 people or so) for over 30 years

 

She kept the city debt free, and so well functioning that she was winning over 90% of the votes even tho she would no longer campaign each term. Her name would simply appear in the ballot and shed win in a landslide cuz she did such a good job. In 2005 she won prize for #2 best Mayor in the entire world!

 

But at age 93 she decided to no longer run simply because she felt she was too old and was irresponsible to take on such a crutial important role when shes at an age that health can be super unreliable

 

Shes turning 98 in a few months still without health issue and shes still in politics (she currently works in the public transportation department) but she felt it just wasnt right to take a top position at her age despite her health still being good

This prediction of heart disease/death is supported by medical research.

 

From the the Journal of the American Heart Association:

A study of 23,000 patients from the registry who were treated at 344 U.S. hospitals... Patients were a median of 77 years old at baseline, 52.5 percent were male.

In the overall cohort, the median survival (after a myocardial infarction (MI)) was 4.8 years, including 8.2 years for those aged 65 to 74 and 3.1 years for people over 75.

 

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PunkTheFunk

He's a good guy, but I don't think he has a chance this time around. I'm sure if Warren wins she'll give him an influential position in her administration and let him take the lead on healthcare reform.

#Marianne2020
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JusKeepBreathin
2 hours ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

Yeah no.

That's not "media bias".  It's not "don't ever cover my mistakes, accidents, slip ups, problems, etc" -EVERYONE should have these things reported on in order to let people have all the information so that they can be informed voters. Transparency is key.

It is however a problem when you have major "liberal" networks like MSNBC even (not to mention CNN etc) who have guests on that are allowed to go on rants about how Bernie makes them uncomfortable "as a woman" and to smear his name without being corrected or criticized. There have also been antisemitic dogwhistles in describing and depicting him that have gone uncriticized. There are also people who have confirmed on twitter that they were made to disparage or ignore Bernie in some way while on air as part of their time being on the show.

It is a problem when Bernie polls #2 and publications only talk about Warren rising and Biden falling. There have been polls showing growth from both Bernie and Warren in the last months after certain moments and mainstream media has reported on it as "Warren and Biden top candidates" even when at that point Bernie was still points ahead of Warren. They literally leave him out on purpose. Nate Silver (for w.e reason, a well respected pollster and analyst) came out and said "is this a 2 man race between Biden and Warren?" based on a poll that had Warren at 17.0 and Bernie and 16.8... He argued that that .2 points difference means Bernie is a 2nd tier candidate along the lines of Kamala and Pete who were at 4-6%... despite being over 10 points above them.

That is media bias. There is a lot more. 

Girl, what Twitter posts? Also I'm not denying that disparaging comments have been made. I'm saying they have been made about everyone. 

Let's just take the issues of the heart attack for instance. 

Senator Warren or VP Biden would have had to suspend their campaigns. The sh*t storm of media frenzy over a major presidential primary candidate having a heart attack on the campaign trail would have ended anyone else's campaign in recent history. The media barely covered Bernie's heart attack. Hillary coughed twice and they had her like she was dying on a stretcher. She had a weird reaction to balloons and all the sudden she was a mental health risk. They negatively covered a f**king bottle of hot sauce for weeks. 

Don't tell me that Bernie has had it worse because of some ridiculous Bernie Bro made a video that supposedly gives evidence to Bernie supporters existing beliefs that the media is somehow against only him. That is pretty much the definition of confirmation bias. 

 

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Venusoflove

Some of you are so pathetic and the reason trump won. Im assuming alot of you were shoving hillary down2 peoples throats when bernie was legitimately leading in polls and when she lost you shouted oh its beacuse shes a woman!11 no its because she was extremely unlikable and her policies were trash. Bernie wants changes for the better and this age thing everyone brings up is pathetic considering all the candidates are in the same age group. Biden had brain surgery but oh no bernie had a heart attack that he recuperated from rather quickly so lets all say hes a lost cause and hes going to die just so it can fit your narrative . America is going down the shitter and instead of all of us joining forces to keep people like ****ing trump winning again we are out here spewing hateful lies about candidates who actually want to make a change

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HorusRa2
1 hour ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Girl, what Twitter posts? Also I'm not denying that disparaging comments have been made. I'm saying they have been made about everyone. 

Let's just take the issues of the heart attack for instance. 

Senator Warren or VP Biden would have had to suspend their campaigns. The sh*t storm of media frenzy over a major presidential primary candidate having a heart attack on the campaign trail would have ended anyone else's campaign in recent history. The media barely covered Bernie's heart attack. Hillary coughed twice and they had her like she was dying on a stretcher. She had a weird reaction to balloons and all the sudden she was a mental health risk. They negatively covered a f**king bottle of hot sauce for weeks. 

Don't tell me that Bernie has had it worse because of some ridiculous Bernie Bro made a video that supposedly gives evidence to Bernie supporters existing beliefs that the media is somehow against only him. That is pretty much the definition of confirmation bias. 

 

Your posts always come back to whataboutism with Hillary. However, if you want to go back to 2016 and discuss what was talked about or not talked about, we can do that too. The media barely talked about Sanders if they mentioned him at all. When they did mention him, they made sure that even before the primary actually started to mention the hundreds of superdelegates who already publicly stated their support for Hillary (which for all practical means doesn’t mean **** until their vote was cast at the convention). In other words, they made it as if he had no chance to win and dismissed his chances before votes were even cast, && you can talk about how positive or negative Hillary’s coverage was but the fact of the matter is Bernie barely had any name recognition when the primary began and when he got the least amount of coverage compared to Trumps empty podium, it’s hard for you to sit here years later and cry that Sanders is being treated like everybody else. 

Fast forward to now. When has Warren received any bad coverage? When has the media called her supporters anti-semetic for supporting Warren over Bernie because his plans are detailed & positions he’s held for over 30 years? When has the media talked about the polls where Bernie rose to 1st or ties with Biden in Nevada? When did they talk about Bernie rising to a statistical tie in California? When did they actually talk about his multiracial working class coalition when you dig into his campaign financing and how the so-called Bernie Bro narrative is not true (which you just reiterated). Oh, wait. They didn’t. You can pick around in polls to tell whatever narrative you want because the polls aren’t consistent & there are clear trends within them in terms of bias (you can’t poll 70% over 50 and expect a realistic poll when you have a candidate like Bernie with nearly 30-40% support among under 30 crowd). Also, stop with the Bernie Bro nonsense. It’s sexist and an erasure of the many thousands of female and POC that support Bernie. 

 

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/12/03/how-media-iced-out-bernie-sanders-helped-donald-trump-win?amp

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HorusRa2
3 hours ago, Whispering said:

This prediction of heart disease/death is supported by medical research.

 

From the the Journal of the American Heart Association:

A study of 23,000 patients from the registry who were treated at 344 U.S. hospitals... Patients were a median of 77 years old at baseline, 52.5 percent were male.

In the overall cohort, the median survival (after a myocardial infarction (MI)) was 4.8 years, including 8.2 years for those aged 65 to 74 and 3.1 years for people over 75.

 

Below suggests this number may not be accurate. My source breaks it down by gender and race. I post this for 2 reasons. 1. This shows suggests how there must be systemic racism in our healthcare system as well as everywhere else and needs to be addressed. & 2. That based on the article your data comes from, I am surmising the figure you posted is across all people which is misleading when my source suggests there’s not only a gender but also a racial component. At the end of the day, we’re talking means here. Mine appears to suggest ballpark 4-5 years but this also means in Bernie’s case it could be shorter or longer depending on other factors. Again, I point out that he’s been full out campaigning for over 4 years and this is the only incident to occur (no falls, no other serious injury, etc). Without either a medical degree or intimate knowledge of the rest of his medical factors here, it’s not realistic to post an article showing a mean of 3 years and to write his death certificate to the primary. So, I say to you that if you find his age or health to be an issue, that’s fine. Pick somebody younger, but let’s stop implying that he’s the only person at risk of dying. He’s not the only “old” person running. 

 

My mother died this year of colon cancer at 46. Does that mean that everyone except Pete Buttigieg should be president? NO. It does not, obviously. 

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3 hours ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Senator Warren or VP Biden would have had to suspend their campaigns. The sh*t storm of media frenzy over a major presidential primary candidate having a heart attack on the campaign trail would have ended anyone else's campaign in recent history. The media barely covered Bernie's heart attack. Hillary coughed twice and they had her like she was dying on a stretcher. She had a weird reaction to balloons and all the sudden she was a mental health risk. They negatively covered a f**king bottle of hot sauce for weeks. 

Don't tell me that Bernie has had it worse because of some ridiculous Bernie Bro made a video that supposedly gives evidence to Bernie supporters existing beliefs that the media is somehow against only him. That is pretty much the definition of confirmation bias. 

 

I mean this is pure conjecture... but go off?

I'm almost 100% certain that if any other candidate had had a medical emergency or an accident it wouldve been dealt with the exact same way by their team. It's only because of his age that we are *still* talking about it lets be real. Would this have ended Kamala's campaign? Pete's? Yangs? What about Trump? Do you really think so? :rip: It probably wouldn't even end Biden's and he's the only candidate imo that this kind of thing should follow around. If Biden had had one, I think even more people would be calling for him to drop out because he's already been showing signs of decline on the campaign, whereas this is Bernie's only real low moment but because Biden is still somewhat the annointed one in MSM (at least for establishment Democrats) there would probably be a lot of pushback from pundits defending him.

As to why Hillary's pneumonia was blown so out of proportion, that really has nothing to do with Bernie or any other candidate and everything to do with sexism in my opinion... It's at least part of it. People wanted to paint Hillary as a weak woman and this played into that. Ultimately, it was wrong for the MSM to blow up over that for so long - and it would be wrong for them to do it to Bernie Sanders as well (even if a heart attack is at least more serious than pneumonia). Two wrongs do not make a right, so I'm not sure why you seem to want the same level of treatment rather than an admission that it was wrong the first time :rip: Women being drafted teas.

I actually havent even seen the video linked in the OP in its entirety. I saw like 45 seconds of it. Everything I talked about in my post has been floating around the internet for months, so that video didn't confirm anything for me :emma: I already explained why the position is not "The media is only treating Bernie Sanders unfairly because they cover his mistakes and no one elses!" like you are saying. Secondly, you're assuming again that it only applies to him. Is Bernie Sanders coverage in the media more negative and biased than the coverage of Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren? Yes, I think thats pretty clear given the evidence of articles and polling reviews in the last few months alone, easily. But there are also candidates like Andrew Yang and (formerly) Marianne Williamson who MSM doesn't take as serious candidates that have been subject to the same kind of bias. Yang is at times polling higher than Harris and Buttigieg in some polls, but we aren't seeing much breakdown about that outside of progressive circles... There are pollsters releasing the data that goes like:
"Biden 24, Sanders 15, Warren 13, Harris 5 Buttigieg 4 O'Rourke 2, Booker 2, Klobuchar 1 Yang 6" :rip: I've seen it.

When you reason with the fact that there are mainstream democrats that actively dislike Bernie, think he's the reason Hillary lost in 2016, and that hes not a real democrat, stealing our resources, etc. its not conspiracy theory territory, no matter how much you want to believe.

 

 

私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから
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6 hours ago, Whispering said:

This prediction of heart disease/death is supported by medical research.

 

From the the Journal of the American Heart Association:

A study of 23,000 patients from the registry who were treated at 344 U.S. hospitals... Patients were a median of 77 years old at baseline, 52.5 percent were male.

In the overall cohort, the median survival (after a myocardial infarction (MI)) was 4.8 years, including 8.2 years for those aged 65 to 74 and 3.1 years for people over 75.

 

The overall life expectancy isn’t significantly higher tho and many of these heart cases could of been more severe than Bernies. In fact most probably were

 

But yeah id be concerned regardless about electing someone approaching 80 unless their health was stellar

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