Toronto #1 Fastest Growing City In North America... 3X Faster Than #2

[Alii 2,039]

12 hours ago, Economy said:

If our government would just raise retirement age like other developed nations are doing to compensate for longer life expectancies and lower birth rates maybe we Wouldn't have to accept such a large number of immigrants to keep our workforce and demographics stable

 

Harper did what was necessary when he raised it to 67 and Trudeau for campaigning went and reversed a necessary reform

 

And what does he do Instead to keep demographics stable? Raise immigration from 250,000 a year to 330,000 a year, a number that is hard to absorb without infrastructure and housing constraints (and housing was already tight to begin with before his annual increase)

 

Our economic challanges will never be solved as long as people oppose making necessary sacrifices

 

Until ppl in this country accept that we can't keep retirement age at 65 anymore, there's gonna be pain one way or another...

 

Either the economy stalls from too many ppl retiring and our standard of living drops, or we have to accept an unreasonable number of young people yearly to compensate and the unbearable housing costs also affect our standard of living

 

Canadians stubborn stance on keeping retirement the standard 65 is costing us more pain than the pain if just working 2 or 3 extra years

 

USA, UK, Germany, Italy, Portugal... Countless other first world nations have either raised or are making plans to do so... We need to as well

 

 

That man Trudeau is a joke. People like him are the reason why Liberals aren’t being taken seriously anymore. 

 

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13 hours ago, Economy said:

My suburb city (Brampton) also climbed up the ranks fast

 

We were pretty irrelevant 20 years ago now we are the 8th biggest city in Canada and 3rd biggest city in the Toronto area

 

I know the feeling of growing pains

 

When I moved here 14 years ago it was a peaceful medium sized city now when I leave the gym at 8:30 pm I can no longer make a left on the road and it's supposed to be past rush hour

 

Yah its crazy. I know the annoyances traffic can make. In 2009 what was once a cute little gayborhood/arts district called the Short North has become as urbanized and congested as Manhattan. All the yuppie white new money moving in and taking over the old storefronts with stereotypical shopping and high rise basic lofts being built everywhere. Its completely shifted the artistic young and gay crowds to different neighborhoods in a matter of under 5 years. 

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31 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Decades ago, someone in a position like yours would have worked their manual labor job until they died. They wouldn’t have had an option to take online courses as they worked or even be a “personal trainer”. People didn’t waste time going to gyms, they worked hard at their jobs and around their home. 

You might feel different after you’ve worked for fifty years at your job you don’t even want to be at now. You might be ready for a few years to relax, do hobbies, visit family, travel, etc. 

Wanting to have a few years at the end of your life isn’t any more being a spoiled baby than people looking for their job that they are “passionate” over. Generations ago, people weren’t so concerned over being “happy” at work. 

Ur totally missing my point here

 

This is not a discussion about what we want or what's nice to have

 

This is a discussion about what's necessary

 

And it's a problem that in society these days when something is necessary but unpleasant ppl would rather pretend it doesn't have to be dealt with

 

That fact that u want to enjoy more hobbies for longer doesn't change the reality of the situation at all one bit

 

The only other solution is to significantly increase CPP deduction premiums or decrease payouts to retirees...

 

Both will negatively impact the economy and both will impact people's lives as well either in their working years or when they retire

 

I don't know why ppl think something is unpleasant somehow makes it ok to act like the problem doesn't exist and doesn't have to be dealt with

 

Birth rates have literally ranked so much and life expectancy risen so much since the 65 retirement age was set.... What in anyone's right mind makes them think it's not an issue to just leave it the same? It's not sustainable

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31 minutes ago, Alii said:

That man Trudeau is a joke. People like him are the reason why Liberals aren’t being taken seriously anymore. 

 

So u agree with me on retirement?

 

If so I'd literally be the first person on GGD to acknowledge this issue and that it has to be dealt with

 

My issue with Liberals (although I don't like very right winged capitalism either but in talking about attitudes here not policies) is that when something is unpleasant they never want to deal with it

 

Ppl are always ok with fixing issues as long as they aren't the ones to have to make sacrifices

 

Everyone wants budget problems to be fixed as long as it's not their taxes that go up or the services they use that get cut but it's fine if it's someone else's

 

We can't fix problems with this kind of mentality

 

And the retirement age reform thing is such an obvious need that if people can't even acknowledge that because it "sucks to have to work longer and have time taken away from hobbies" as a reason to not deal with it....

 

Than I don't even know what to say anymore

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Economy said:

Ur totally missing my point here

 

This is not a discussion about what we want or what's nice to have

 

This is a discussion about what's necessary

 

And it's a problem that in society these days when something is necessary but unpleasant ppl would rather pretend it doesn't have to be dealt with

 

That fact that u want to enjoy more hobbies for longer doesn't change the reality of the situation at all one bit

 

The only other solution is to significantly increase CPP deduction premiums or decrease payouts to retirees...

 

Both will negatively impact the economy and both will impact people's lives as well either in their working years or when they retire

 

I don't know why ppl think something is unpleasant somehow makes it ok to act like the problem doesn't exist and doesn't have to be dealt with

 

Birth rates have literally ranked so much and life expectancy risen so much since the 65 retirement age was set.... What in anyone's right mind makes them think it's not an issue to just leave it the same? It's not sustainable

No, you are missing my point. 

People’s attitudes towards work and retirement have drastically changed over the generations. 

Your attitude towards your work and even your opportunities in the work world reflect those shifts we see in the last decades.

That doesn’t mean people are “spoiled babies” for wanting to enjoy a healthy retirement no more than you are a “spoiled baby” for not being satisfied with your steady job. 

Maybe if we had more people working steady jobs, instead of being personal trainers...

[Alii 2,039]

5 minutes ago, Economy said:

So u agree with me on retirement?

 

If so I'd literally be the first person on GGD to acknowledge this issue and that it has to be dealt with

 

My issue with Liberals (although I don't like very right winged capitalism either but in talking about attitudes here not policies) is that when something is unpleasant they never want to deal with it

 

Ppl are always ok with fixing issues as long as they aren't the ones to have to make sacrifices

 

Everyone wants budget problems to be fixed as long as it's not their taxes that go up or the services they use that get cut but it's fine if it's someone else's

 

We can't fix problems with this kind of mentality

 

And the retirement age reform thing is such an obvious need that if people can't even acknowledge that because it "sucks to have to work longer and have time taken away from hobbies" as a reason to not deal with it....

 

Than I don't even know what to say anymore

 

 

I’ll have to research about the average retirement age. 65 seems pretty old to be working. 

I heard that many countries have raised it before. But right wing supporters were claiming that Sweden did it to deal with the influx of refugees. Since they raised it around the refugee crisis. 

And I agree with what you said about Liberals. They prefer to lie to themselves than facing the truth. 

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Just now, Whispering said:

No, you are missing my point. 

People’s attitudes towards work and retirement have drastically changed over the generations. 

Your attitude towards your work and even your opportunities in the work world reflect those shifts we see in the last decades.

That doesn’t mean people are “spoiled babies” for wanting to enjoy a healthy retirement no more than you are a “spoiled baby” for not being satisfied with your steady job. 

Maybe if we had more people working steady jobs, instead of being personal trainers...

I've been working the same job for 8 years consistently for low pay despite horrible working conditions

 

Most ppl would of jumped around different jobs by now but I've stuck it out almost a decade. Im no spoiled baby

 

And I get that attitudes have changed

 

But what in trying to point out to u is that that doesn't change anything what's so ever

 

Does the desire to enjoy our lives at the end justify doing nothing? And let the system continue unsustainably?

 

Ur logic is EXACTLY the same as someone who can't afford their current lifestyle and puts it on credit and uses the rationale that they deserve to enjoy their lives

 

Yeah maybe they deserve it but unfortunately that doesn't change the reality

 

The system wasn't designed to accomodate so many retirees like this and it's a sustainability issue

 

We can't do nothing just because we don't want to or we shouldn't have to work longer.... Like that literally doesn't change the reality of the situation

 

What exactly do u propose we do?

 

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I'll pass on Toronto 

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3 minutes ago, Economy said:

I've been working the same job for 8 years consistently for low pay despite horrible working conditions

 

Most ppl would of jumped around different jobs by now but I've stuck it out almost a decade. Im no spoiled baby

 

And I get that attitudes have changed

 

But what in trying to point out to u is that that doesn't change anything what's so ever

 

Does the desire to enjoy our lives at the end justify doing nothing? And let the system continue unsustainably?

 

Ur logic is EXACTLY the same as someone who can't afford their current lifestyle and puts it on credit and uses the rationale that they deserve to enjoy their lives

 

Yeah maybe they deserve it but unfortunately that doesn't change the reality

 

The system wasn't designed to accomodate so many retirees like this and it's a sustainability issue

 

We can't do nothing just because we don't want to or we shouldn't have to work longer.... Like that literally doesn't change the reality of the situation

 

What exactly do u propose we do?

 

Well said 

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2 minutes ago, StrangeClerk said:

Well said 

Like this isn't me being heartless it's me being realistic. U can't kick down the can of problems down the road forever just because dealing with it will be unpleasant

 

Besides there's ways to minimize the suffering...

 

For example, blue collar jobs that involve high physical labor could be exempted from the increase.... 

 

There's other jobs like teachers for example that can retire early so we could certainly do the same for jobs that are tougher to work at old ages in. High physical jobs are a smaller percentage of jobs now a days than ever before so making an exeption for them shouldn't come with a big cost

 

Also we'd need to put a minimum number of years for jobs that are exempted from the increase so ppl don't seek to change jobs to a physical one when they are 64 just so they can retire right after cuz some ppl would so do that

 

[thewho 928]

2 minutes ago, Economy said:

Like this isn't me being heartless it's me being realistic. U can't kick down the can of problems down the road forever just because dealing with it will be unpleasant

 

Besides there's ways to minimize the suffering...

 

For example, blue collar jobs that involve high physical labor could be exempted from the increase.... 

 

There's other jobs like teachers for example that can retire early so we could certainly do the same for jobs that are tougher to work at old ages in. High physical jobs are a smaller percentage of jobs now a days than ever before so making an exeption for them shouldn't come with a big cost

 

Also we'd need to put a minimum number of years for jobs that are exempted from the increase so ppl don't seek to change jobs to a physical one when they are 64 just so they can retire right after cuz some ppl would so do that

 

WAIT A SECOND. 
 

Teachers retire early in Canada? Are you serious? The USA education system is so f*cked up I know several teachers well into their 60s and 70s unable to retire because of the low salary, shitty benefits, and overall very crap morale. I literally left the teaching profession because it got THAT bad. I'm an engineer now so it worked out, but unfortunately had to leave a big chunk of my life behind. 

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7 minutes ago, StrangeClerk said:

WAIT A SECOND. 
 

Teachers retire early in Canada? Are you serious? The USA education system is so f*cked up I know several teachers well into their 60s and 70s unable to retire because of the low salary, shitty benefits, and overall very crap morale. I literally left the teaching profession because it got THAT bad. I'm an engineer now so it worked out, but unfortunately had to leave a big chunk of my life behind. 

They can retire early if they've worked at least 30 years. At least in my Province (Ontario)

 

It's also higher pay than in the US too. Close to $50,000 a year (depends on the board too and years experience some teachers make less) not bad considering u get summers off

 

Being a teacher is a good job here. Good health benefits too in addition to supplemented retirement

 

Edit: doctors get payed less here than in the US tho

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11 minutes ago, Economy said:

They can retire early if they've worked at least 30 years. At least in my Province (Ontario)

 

It's also higher pay than in the US too. Close to $50,000 a year (depends on the board too and years experience some teachers make less) not bad considering u get summers off

 

Being a teacher is a good job here. Good health benefits too in addition to supplemented retirement

 

Edit: doctors get payed less here than in the US tho

Wow. 

My heart literally shattered into a billion pieces lol Well I'm happy for teachers in Canada

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1 minute ago, StrangeClerk said:

Wow. 

My heart literally shattered into a billion pieces lol Well I'm happy for teachers in Canada

Yeah my uncle is a teacher. He hates it and tried other stuff but always goes back cuz it's good pay and benefits relative to hours worked

 

They are gonna be on a wage freeze essentially (1% annaul) raise only tho for at least 3 years cuz of Ontarios budget problems

 

Still better than my 0% annual raise for the last 3 years

[thewho 928]

5 minutes ago, Economy said:

Yeah my uncle is a teacher. He hates it and tried other stuff but always goes back cuz it's good pay and benefits relative to hours worked

Mines the opposite. I had to go back to bartending because I never made enough as a teacher. My first year I only made $30,000, and only took home $15,000 from taxes and other bullshit. As an engineer now, I make almost 10x that, which I am grateful for but it depresses me how much I had to struggle because of the mistreatment and neglect towards teachers. 

As a result I vowed to start a scholarship program for students and teachers alike, and programs to help fight anti-education legislation, promote school funding, and provide necessary equipment to teachers around the US