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[Edonis 28,974]

Just now, RoverLoader said:

LOL The irony. You're talking from a very myopic American perspective. Do YOU actually know anything about Islam? I've read the Quran and the Hadith's. I've worked all over the middle east, Lebanon, Dubai, SA, Israel and Jordan. Have you even stepped out of your country?  Muslims in American are left leaning..lol We AREN'T talking about that boo.

And what bout it? You literally made a blanket statement about about Muslims being right-wing conservatives and I JUST GAVE YOU an example that would debunk that statement...

And the audacity to even say that like I'm not from the M.E. or have ever been there on several occasions. Like I haven't lived in Lebanon before or gone to twice the number of countries. But please tell me the experiences you have from your boyfriend. And how his experiences dictate the law of the land or the bulk ideology that every muslim subscribes to...yikes indeed.

 

[RoverLoader 1,254]

1 minute ago, lego said:

 

hahaha WRONG again 

Well please, do divulge. Tell us your backstory. I'm very interested in the history of Gay muslims, bearing in mind I've had....quite a lot of relationships with them.

[Edonis 28,974]

GGD is about to get worse than ATRL real quick with these newer members. But the ones defending themselves from being grouped into a class of domestic terrorists and neo-nazis are the problem, right?

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4 minutes ago, RoverLoader said:

Well please, do divulge. Tell us your backstory. I'm very interested in the history of Gay muslims, bearing in mind I've had....quite a lot of relationships with them.

or...

you know...

you could...

read a book.

[Edonis 28,974]

3 hours ago, RoverLoader said:

Well please, do divulge. Tell us your backstory. I'm very interested in the history of Gay muslims, bearing in mind I've had....quite a lot of relationships with them.

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[RoverLoader 1,254]

17 minutes ago, Edonis said:

And what bout it? You literally made a blanket statement about about Muslims being right-wing conservatives and I JUST GAVE YOU an example that would debunk that statement...

And the audacity to even say that like I'm not from the M.E. or have ever been there on several occasions. Like I haven't lived in Lebanon before or gone to twice the number of countries. But please tell me the experiences you have from your boyfriend. And how his experiences dictate the law of the land or the bulk ideology that every muslim subscribes to...yikes indeed.

 

I said Islam is essentially a Conservative ideology. Where is the lie? Are you arguing it isn't? There may be individual muslims who lean left politically on certain issues, but Islam itself is very conservative. You would disagree with this? I guess that's why homosexuality is illegal in 10 of the 18 countries in the middle east. You can be imprisoned in Kuwait, Egypt, Oman, Qatar, and Syria. It's punishable by DEATH in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE. Did you even know this? I mean you pointed out SA was corrupt so why are you even disagreeing lmao?????

Pointing this out isn't Islamophobic. It's simple facts. Do you have stockholm syndrome? For someone who claims to be a muslim, you don't even know what you're talking about lol 

[RoverLoader 1,254]

9 minutes ago, Edonis said:

You having a fetish for Muslim **** isn't going to give you validation over other Muslim experiences in a thread. Just saying.

Why are you denigrating my relationships to a fetish? Consequently, your visit to Lebanon doesn't give you validation over mine. What a hypocrite you are.

[Batwings 12,957]

Every time OP posts something, my computer just makes fart sounds. 

[Edonis 28,974]

1 minute ago, RoverLoader said:

I said Islam is essentially a Conservative ideology. Where is the lie? Are you arguing it isn't? There may be individual muslims who lean left politically on certain issues, but Islam itself is very conservative. You would disagree with this? I guess that's why homosexuality is illegal in 10 of the 18 countries in the middle east. You can be imprisoned in Kuwait, Egypt, Oman, Qatar, and Syria. It's punishable by DEATH in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE. We

Pointing this out isn't Islamophobic. It's simple facts. Do you have stockhold syndrome? For someone qho claims to be a muslim, you don't even know what you're talking about lol 

If we're going to push the narrative that Islam is conservative in nature, then why not include Christianity and Judaism as well? If we're really going to delve into the effects of religion on politics and society, then have that discussion and acknowledge religious conservatism and ideology.I've never denied the existence of religious conservatives, nor how bigoted many Muslim-centered governments around the world criminalize homosexuality.

But we're in a thread discussing western politics so I'm very obviously going to discuss Western Islam. We're talking about conservative, neo-nazi ideology, which varies completely different from a religion that started in the 7th century. Making statements about entire group of people that exists outside of politics, that is incredibly diverse in their practices and beliefs, is going to warrant people quoting you, myself included.

And if you were so well-versed on the region's politics, then  you'd also be aware of the opposition to many of he gross and out of date policies that are practiced by governments in the middle east. You'd acknowledge the social changes in the Middle east that has happened in the past decade alone. Particularly when it comes to LGBT rights and visibility.

[Edonis 28,974]

3 hours ago, RoverLoader said:

Why are you denigrating my relationships to a fetish? Consequently, your visit to Lebanon doesn't give you validation over mine. What a hypocrite you are.

 

Goodnight.

[RoverLoader 1,254]

8 minutes ago, Edonis said:

 I'm not the one bragging in a thread about how many Muslim men I've dated. But go on and mick actual Middle Eastern people too. I guess their existence is invalidated by you too.

Goodnight.

It's not bragging, it's sharing an experience and how the treatment that they suffered in their own countries for being gay has shaped their lives - and ultimately mine. Either way, you had no right to reduce it to a fetish. Is that how you see muslim gay men? You're not bragging, but you sure are full of venom and hating.

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[Edonis 28,974]

6 minutes ago, RoverLoader said:

Just as we are in a thread discussing western politics, it is also about Islam and it's views towards homosexuality. Thus "I'm obviously going to discuss that". You can include Christianity and Judaism  too. I really DGAF because I see them as all the same.  I'm an atheist. The issue is I find all religious views towards LGBT as abhorrent whereas you want to give Islam a free pass.

As we are speaking about western politics, you may want to check out the UK. I'm afraid many  muslims there do not share your left leaning views. Parents at a Muslim school in Birmingham (check it on a map , you won't know where it is) have picketed and refused to allow their children to go because they are being taught about LGBT. The school backed down and the parents got their way.

So if you were so well-versed on the region's politics, then  you'd also be aware that there is still much to do regarding religious extremism and LGBT relations. You'd acknowledge that some Islamic believers, just like their Christian counterparts are still stuck in the past. Particularly when it comes to LGBT rights and visibility. Like I say, I doubt you.ve even been out of your towns borders.

 

Goodnight

Where am I giving Islam a pass? Where am I not acknowledging that there are religious conservatives or extremists in Islam? Did I not agree with your statement in my original post to you about conservative governments and criminalizing homosexuality?

This idea that anyone defending their faith and not wanting to be grouped in with people burning down churches and shooting up schools and mosques is not giving anyone a fee pass. And you mocking my intelligence and acting like I'm some shut-out American who needs to leave their backyard once in a while isn't adding anything to this discussion. You conveniently ignored every single thing I posted to you so I'm done.

I'm really over going into the political threads of GGD in general, but I'm really tired of having to defend my existence to a bunch of people on here who are supposed to be tolerant and caring every time this issue is brought up, having members blame my faith on the reason why people were shot up while praying or blown up while trying to get an education. I'm tired of having to do this every year since I've joined.

Have a good life. May someone can fix your heart and maybe you'll grow to be a little more understanding of others and why it's never good to generalize.

[Edonis 28,974]

31 minutes ago, RoverLoader said:

It's not bragging, it's sharing an experience and how the treatment that they suffered in their own countries for being gay has shaped their lives - and ultimately mine. Either way, you had no right to reduce it to a fetish. Is that how you see muslim gay men? You're not bragging, but you sure are full of venom and hating.

Nowhere have I ever implied that a gay Muslim cannot be discriminated against or killed or that their suffering or opinion on the faith they have been brought up with is invalid. Ever.

But of course, I'm the hateful venomous individual.

Bye.

[RoverLoader 1,254]

2 hours ago, Edonis said:

Nowhere have I ever implied that a gay Muslim cannot be discriminated against or killed or that their suffering or opinion on the faith they have been brought up with is invalid. Ever.

But of course, I'm the hateful venomous individual.

Bye.

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Edonis and I have privately resolved our disagreement and it's all good.