Allison M 357 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Me too Remember when people called her Lady too? They still do Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieHWilson 559 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) In a way, no you can't. Sure you can give an opinion on if the song sounds good or ****ty, since you've got ears and senses afterall, but looking at the true meaning of critiquing, which in my opinion requires an in-depth knowledge, how can you critique something you know nothing about or can't do? There is no more music criticism that a--lyzes the music in a profile related to music. The criticism (literary and musical) is increasingly filtered by external factors and unrelated to the music itself. it is clear, you do not need me to say it. Words like "flop" "great" "brilliant" "dull" "passionate" do not have any connotation of constructive judgment (critique). They are simple words for simple reading getting every year more and more simplified, superficial and disconnected from the object of criticism. The problem is that the reading of a superificial critique makes the reader superficial, since it forces him to reduce his own critical spirit, given no real object to debate upon, but just plain "thumb up& down". Edited January 12, 2014 by CookieHWilson nonsequitur Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth Criminal 2 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) Gaga, for God's sake....STOP! Please! JUST STOP! You are not only further embarrassing yourself but you are also embarrassing the fans. This is getting absolutely ridiculous. For the first time ever in 5 years....I have to say I feel very uneasy by your post. You are only giving the critics more ammunition to drag you. Why can't you just stop and let your work do the talking? Gaga, you will be the cause of your own destruction if you don't stop this and I say this as one of your massive fans. Focus on your music, focus on this album. STOP making big claims & just do what pleases you without looking for validation. You are a grown woman, ACT LIKE IT! Edited January 12, 2014 by Smooth Criminal Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juicyjuicy 1,916 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) sorry but seriously gaga...............what? Edited January 12, 2014 by juicyjuicy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasingGhosts 726 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 They still do Wait they still do Tony and Graham did recently Born This Way > Joanne > The Fame Monster > The Fame > ARTPOP Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHGUY 230 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 She's right... These ppl who criticized ARTPOP for not being "artsy" enough.... What on earth do they know about art? Suddenly they are art critics? These ppl should be music critics at best Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercool 0 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) At least she made it clear that Madonna's critique matters, since she is a fellow popstar. OMFG. ---- Anyway, for someone who talks so much about art and rubs being a artist in everyone's faces one would think she knows discussion and criticism of art is one of the essential elements for art to move forward. If everyone was neutral to everything and nothing provoked anybody (negatively or positively), then there's no point in doing it. You may be happy you do it because of love it and the cheer pleasure of doing it, but you'll always want that feedback from outsiders. Also, because of criticism and commentary is that the best art has become iconic and influential. It's the pits that she did this because a fan was fuming at an internet nobody not liking ARTPOP. Ridiculous. Edited January 12, 2014 by sobercool Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwerk 7,059 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Everyone critiques everything or people would have nothing to speak about or discuss. We'd all be the same and accept everything and anything. We'd have no likes or specifics and everything would just be, "that is fine". It would all also be forgotten and not treasured. According to Gaga I'm a ****ing rad bitch Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamlet 67 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I'm sorry but I don't agree with her. Critics, unlike many people think, can be very helpful to improve in your future works. The people/magazines that reviewed her album (Rolling Stone, Billboard, The Telegraph, Entertainment Weekly, Spin...) are people that know about music not just your average music listener, while their opinions might be biased sometimes, they can still make strong points that can help her do a better and more complete album next time. Even herself as a perfectionist should take into account some of the criticism that her albums or songs get. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan 3,717 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I've been trying to stay positive and understand her side but I don't know what's going on. I know she's deeply disappointed that ARTPOP didn't get the reception she was expecting, she worked really hard on it, but is getting away from the media and complaining about itreally necessary? The best response she will ever give is prove them wrong, as she can't make everybody stop and start to love her. The reality is tough, she has to find a way to get through it as she's been doing for 5 years. But something that really bothers me is the need to bash her, it's not rational, it's kind of instinct, the media used to not give a damn about art, she's been doing art for years, and now that she says "I'm doing art", they suddenly become devoted art students who wants her to make an album about how great Picasso was. Please.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
disneyhigh 43 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 She needs to stop addressing critics so much fuks sake, this is getting boring. If you don't care, don't devote a whole novel of attention to them. can she just promote and show everyone her vision already. jesus. she gets online now to talk about her troubles and i get that but omg you're an international popstar. act like it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMum 2,532 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 There is no more music criticism that a--lyzes the music in a profile related to music. The criticism (literary and musical) is increasingly filtered by external factors and unrelated to the music itself. it is clear, you do not need me to say it. Words like "flop" "great" "brilliant" "dull" "passionate" do not have any connotation of constructive judgment (critique). They are simple words for simple reading getting every year more and more simplified, superficial and disconnected from the object of criticism. The problem is that the reading of a superificial critique makes the reader superficial, since it forces him to reduce his own critical spirit, given no real object to debate upon, but just plain "thumb up& down". Quoted for truth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
disneyhigh 43 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I've been trying to stay positive and understand her side but I don't know what's going on. I know she's deeply disappointed that ARTPOP didn't get the reception she was expecting, she worked really hard on it, but is getting away from the media and complaining about itreally necessary? The best response she will ever give is prove them wrong, as she can't make everybody stop and start to love her. The reality is tough, she has to find a way to get through it as she's been doing for 5 years. But something that really bothers me is the need to bash her, it's not rational, it's kind of instinct, the media used to not give a damn about art, she's been doing art for years, and now that she says "I'm doing art", they suddenly become devoted art students who wants her to make an album about how great Picasso was. Please.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 16,989 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 some people in this thread have went borderline idiotic, enough the point that she is trying to get trough is that critics are just regular people with opinions, and that the fact that they are paid to give their opinions doesnt meant their opinion is right, or that it should be respected more, that we should make our own opinions ourselves and not base it on the GP, sales, or metacritic, AND that the only opinions she really cares about now, are those frome people with artistic brains, WILSON, MARINA, KOONS, ELTON, not from random people that got jobs in magazines, or a bunch of teenagers GOT IT NOW OR DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT AGAIN? Don't act so close-minded and arrogant. It isn't a good look. The "people paid to give their opinions" have generally studied music, art, cinematography and so on and therefore do have some idea about how to critique these things. A critic can appreciate when an artists makes a piece of work that is coherent, intelligent, thought provoking and interesting. They can also recognise when an artist has not communicated their message effectively or if the piece in question is dull, uninspiring and uninteresting.The idea that only successful artists can understand art promotes a very elitist view of art. Someone can have a great understanding of art and can be very intelligent without the technical capabilities to create something brilliant themselves. The people you have mentioned "people with artistic brains, WILSON, MARINA, KOONS, ELTON" are defined as great artists because of the same things you have just knocked. You literally just attacked 'GP, sales, or metacritic" and then picked acclaimed artists that are respected because they are adored by the GP, are incredibly successful or are critically acclaimed artists. When you look at places such as Metacritic and see that, ignoring obvious outliers, the critics tend to agree on similar things and overall opinion is negative/mixed maybe it would be wise to consider some of the things they have said about ARTPOP. It would also be wise for her to look at the critiques from TFM and Born This Way to see what she does well and what she needs to work on. I doubt Wilson, Marina, Koons and Elton are giving her very in depth critiques of her work and only one of those artists is a musician.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris777 112 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I see and understand her point but I don't agree with her Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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