Economy 53,076 Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, Nikolai Barrow said: Like i said not fully versed on everything that is going on. You make some good points. Unfortunately the pipeline would be a disaster just waiting to happen. And it being crude oil just makes it worse. Perhaps if it was refind here in Canada it wouldn't be so bad on the environment if their was a spill and could create more jobs in Canada. It is an interesting debate and as you said in the first post we are in a weird place where provinces are fighting the federal government. I don't really ever remember anything like this happening in recent memory. They aren't that desastrous typically. There's literally hundreds of pipelines in North America. Major spills most of the time don't happen (especially with newer safer pipelines)... It's just that when it does happen on occasion critics make it sound big spills are the norm It has to be transported somehow and pipelines are still safer thanks transporting it by train or trucks Also Alberta doesn't have a coast... They are looking into "partial upgrading" to make the crude thinner and flow more easily which would open up a little more pipeline space but that's about all they can do Refineries work better in coasts because each refinery can refine the products they want then ship it Having different refineries in Alberta would be harder because different products would be created and you can't mix them in a pipeline it would ruin the refined product Refineries to exist in the interior but again they are usually simpler refineries just to get the oil closer to a usable product... Actual final refinering would be difficult to do without them being on the coast or close to a coast Again I'm not trying to suggest it should all be about money. I support a trasition to decarbonization in the economy we need that... And the environmental regulations in place in the Industry But opponents are throwing too many things at the Industry they can handle all at once (hence more than half of Canadian energy companies running losses right now) A sledge hammer approach like were doing now will eventually kill the industry and Canada will suffer severely economically We should be controlling the industry more gradually as we try to prop up the sectors of the future (like the high tech sector which has been showing promising growth in Canada) But for now energy is too huge a chunk of Canada's economy to just be hitting so hard with a hammer so to speak like it's garbage. It can't be replaced overnight So while we should regulate it to minimize impact, I think what the industry is being thrown is too much for then to handle at once Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 12 hours ago, Economy said: Cottage country is super beautiful tho to be fair my uncle's cottage and area is even nicer than most. Some cottage areas are obviously nicer than others And that sounds about right... Quebec would be their own thing, Alberta and Saskatchewan would stay together, British Columbia would seperate to their own because their politics is super polar opposite from Alberta and Saskatchewan and Ontario would stay alone (maybe take Manitoba with them) The northern territories with the natives is pretty empty. Either they would belong to some of the other new Nations or also seperate on their own But a Quebec seperation is less likely now. This last referendum where 49% of ppl voted to seperate was done quite a while back... The younger generation doesn't care for seperation as much so the percentage of people in Quebec who want to seperate is declining (tho still enough to bring up the issue every so often) 2 or 3 years ago during a Provincial election a party in Quebec brought up seperation and they immediately dropped on the polls... So at the moment the desire to leave by the population isn't as strong as it once was Also most of Quebec population growth is happening in Montreal (Canada's second largest city) and fewer people there support seperation than the rest of Quebec... As Montreal (that is more influenced by English culture and more excepting to diversity and doesn't really see the need to protect french culture so badly) keeps growing in Quebec's importance, that too is reducing the number of people for seperation If you go to Montreal at lest 70% of people speak English and they are cool with other Canadians visiting... If you go more north of Montreal to smaller cities and towns, the resentment against English Canadians is stronger So it seems the divide is more rural vs urban than anything else. I would have thought Montreal would be the epicentre of secesionism but now that you mention that it is 70% bilingual I see that it is mainly people from the countryside who are more conservative and nationalistic. What a fascinating dichotomy. I wish Australia had some of that. The whole country speaks the same language so there is kind of a boring uniformness no matter where you go (Tasmania and tropical northern/outback areas are considered a different world, but still everyone speaks English). There were Portugeuese and Dutch explorers in the 1500s-1600s but they never colonised. While the British were lucky in that they were only 7 days ahead of the French in settling the East Coast in 1788. If they had arrived at the same time perhaps we would have an English and French speaking halves like you guys... Oh....speculative history. At least we can contemplate the what if... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 53,076 Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Lord Temptation said: So it seems the divide is more rural vs urban than anything else. I would have thought Montreal would be the epicentre of secesionism but now that you mention that it is 70% bilingual I see that it is mainly people from the countryside who are more conservative and nationalistic. What a fascinating dichotomy. I wish Australia had some of that. The whole country speaks the same language so there is kind of a boring uniformness no matter where you go (Tasmania and tropical northern/outback areas are considered a different world, but still everyone speaks English). There were Portugeuese and Dutch explorers in the 1500s-1600s but they never colonised. While the British were lucky in that they were only 7 days ahead of the French in settling the East Coast in 1788. If they had arrived at the same time perhaps we would have an English and French speaking halves like you guys... Oh....speculative history. At least we can contemplate the what if... Yes rural vs urban but to some extent also generational Both in urban and in Montreal the older people are more likely to still have the mentality to wanna seperate... But overall the percentage of people in Montreal (even among older ones) that want seperation is lower than in the rest of Quebec because Montreal is more diverse and people are more accepting of the English culture And yeah I get what u mean about uniformness Before I moved to Canada I used to live in Portugal a small country. It's highly centralized Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaga Monster 13,001 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Carbon Taxes don't work and hurt the economy GGD Presidential Elections Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 53,076 Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 10 hours ago, Gaga Monster said: Carbon Taxes don't work and hurt the economy In this case the damage to the economy should be small since it's revenue neutral and the money collected from it gets refunded But I agree that how much effect it has is questionable. Many experts say that in order for carbon taxes to actually changes behaviours in what we consume they would have to be set much higher anyway At their current levels they won't change a thing, it's just another tax Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 On 2/16/2019 at 12:35 PM, Economy said: Yes rural vs urban but to some extent also generational Both in urban and in Montreal the older people are more likely to still have the mentality to wanna seperate... But overall the percentage of people in Montreal (even among older ones) that want seperation is lower than in the rest of Quebec because Montreal is more diverse and people are more accepting of the English culture And yeah I get what u mean about uniformness Before I moved to Canada I used to live in Portugal a small country. It's highly centralized I kind of wish Australia wasn’t the entire continent/island. Like Portugal as you mention, as small and centralised as it is, it shares a border with Spain. Same with Canada and it’s humongous border with the US. Australia has no borders. Everywhere on the island is Australia. I’m sure I’m overthinking this but part of me feels that our culture here is quite spoilt and unbalanced. We are not used to sharing things or having to compromise with making treaties, learning the language of our neighbours etc. I love Australia with all my heart but it still feels like a fantasy. Like it’s not the real world. Just some unimportant, spoilt paradise in the middle of nowhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 53,076 Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Lord Temptation said: I kind of wish Australia wasn’t the entire continent/island. Like Portugal as you mention, as small and centralised as it is, it shares a border with Spain. Same with Canada and it’s humongous border with the US. Australia has no borders. Everywhere on the island is Australia. I’m sure I’m overthinking this but part of me feels that our culture here is quite spoilt and unbalanced. We are not used to sharing things or having to compromise with making treaties, learning the language of our neighbours etc. I love Australia with all my heart but it still feels like a fantasy. Like it’s not the real world. Just some unimportant, spoilt paradise in the middle of nowhere. I've thought about that too... Australia is also quite far from any other developed Country (except NZ which is quite small and Japan but Japan is not even that close) Australia does end up being somewhat isolated But there's advantages to no borders tho. It leads to annoying desputes sometimes Look at Alberta.... They can't build a pipeline to the West cuz British Columbia Won't Allow it, they can't build one to the East cuz Quebec won't allow it... If we were surrounded by Ocean in every direction like Australia, and we had no USA south of us, Alberta could just ship it from its coast.... But when your landlocked and have borders it complicates things The pipeline is just one example Another example, the Americans are paranoid over our legalization of weed Nationally at the border... If you even work for the weed industry in some cases u ain't even allowed to cross the US border (even if they don't find any on you) PS: Oceana TV looks awesome. I was a huge fan of "The Tribe" when I was a teenager. I also whatched "Being Eve" and Shortland Street looks cool but I never had a chance to access that one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 On 2/17/2019 at 10:09 PM, Economy said: I've thought about that too... Australia is also quite far from any other developed Country (except NZ which is quite small and Japan but Japan is not even that close) Australia does end up being somewhat isolated But there's advantages to no borders tho. It leads to annoying desputes sometimes Look at Alberta.... They can't build a pipeline to the West cuz British Columbia Won't Allow it, they can't build one to the East cuz Quebec won't allow it... If we were surrounded by Ocean in every direction like Australia, and we had no USA south of us, Alberta could just ship it from its coast.... But when your landlocked and have borders it complicates things The pipeline is just one example Another example, the Americans are paranoid over our legalization of weed Nationally at the border... If you even work for the weed industry in some cases u ain't even allowed to cross the US border (even if they don't find any on you) PS: Oceana TV looks awesome. I was a huge fan of "The Tribe" when I was a teenager. I also whatched "Being Eve" and Shortland Street looks cool but I never had a chance to access that one Legal weed in Canada? Holy ghost I’m salivating. Such a spunky, progressive society. I’m imagining myself smoking naked in some spa in a cottage (with someone special whom i have yet tanother meet...) while it’s snowing outside. When will my slow coach desert island? Who gives a rats about oil when you have bongs and beer! Oh and those shows you mentioned, I think they might be from NZ! Shortland Street definitely is. Are you confusing Oceana TV with Ocean Girl (a really popular show in the 90s)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 53,076 Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Lord Temptation said: Legal weed in Canada? Holy ghost I’m salivating. Such a spunky, progressive society. I’m imagining myself smoking naked in some spa in a cottage (with someone special whom i have yet tanother meet...) while it’s snowing outside. When will my slow coach desert island? Who gives a rats about oil when you have bongs and beer! Oh and those shows you mentioned, I think they might be from NZ! Shortland Street definitely is. Are you confusing Oceana TV with Ocean Girl (a really popular show in the 90s)? Ya it became legal like late 2017. Edibles become legal soon too... It's been a mess tho. There isn't enough supply so orders take forever to come in online... I don't know if physical shops are operating yet but there was predictions that they will be short on supply for 3 years Basically weed is popular and producers are scrambling to expand supply quickly. There's also been some complaints that black market weed is better quality. I'm not personally a smoker so I can't verify And mess. This game I played refered to Australia and New Zealand as "Oceana". I assumed it was like a grouping kind of like someone saying Scandinavian Countries, excuse my ignorance if that's not the case Because yes both I mentioned are from new Zealand My wife and I have been whatching Australian shows tho. We been whatching "instant hotel", "Australia's best home" and there's this reality show with these rich mothers but that one I've only seen a few episodes (my wife follows it tho) Australia is so beautiful and now I'm dying to go even more... Also all the neighborhoods I keep seeing in tv look amazing (unless they are only showing the good ones)... Here in North America some homes and neighbourhoods are nice but many are sh*tty Australia has usually been a wealthier nation by GDP per capita than the US or Canada (it's like the only major developed Nation to pass us if you exclude smaller Nations like Norway or Switzerland for example)... So I'm not surprised y'all got such nice houses Also I'm in love with Australians hot bodies. At first I thought all the hot people in the show were carefully selected for tv but then even random ppl walking buy there's at least 2 muscular hunks walking by and the women aren't bad either I know I'm gonna sound judgy but legit If u randomly film in Canada or at a beach ur hard pressed to find anyone who's fit. It's all big belly's, cellulite on legs etc Here to find fit people u have to go to the gym where ppl who like being fit concentrate to. And even then a big gym like mine could have 70 people inside (more if you count the people doing classes) and maybe 7 or 8 people (10%) will actually be fit. I call that small portion of fit guys that actually go consistently and are fit AF the gym Ellites also I love Australian accent. To us it sounds kinda similar to a British accent but fine tuned and improved to sound better! long story short I've been obsessed with Australia. If tickets weren't so expensive and bills werent so tight right now... I'd go there in a snap!!!! Tho Japan still remains high in my wife and mines list to go to as well tho. I don't find it as beautiful as Australia but it's an extremely unique culture and I'd love to go there too just to experience that... As a British colony like Canada and the US and English speaking country and based on what I see on tv Australia culturally speaking is not that alien to the Western World at least not compared to Japan So when we cross to the other side of the world (which won't be for a while for financial reasons and also cuz before we go anywhere else my wife will meet my family in Portugal first and it's also a chance for her to see the country I came from) After Portugal I'm not sure ATM if were doing Japan first or Australia. They are both kinda tied at the top of our list right now Were more inclined to Australia for the nature, the amazing beaches, the cool cities and the fun looking party people of Australia Japan gets more points for being an exceptionally different culture that would make seeing it an experience. Also Tokyo is an insane metropolis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Economy said: Ya it became legal like late 2017. Edibles become legal soon too... It's been a mess tho. There isn't enough supply so orders take forever to come in online... I don't know if physical shops are operating yet but there was predictions that they will be short on supply for 3 years Basically weed is popular and producers are scrambling to expand supply quickly. There's also been some complaints that black market weed is better quality. I'm not personally a smoker so I can't verify And mess. This game I played refered to Australia and New Zealand as "Oceana". I assumed it was like a grouping kind of like someone saying Scandinavian Countries, excuse my ignorance if that's not the case Because yes both I mentioned are from new Zealand My wife and I have been whatching Australian shows tho. We been whatching "instant hotel", "Australia's best home" and there's this reality show with these rich mothers but that one I've only seen a few episodes (my wife follows it tho) Australia is so beautiful and now I'm dying to go even more... Also all the neighborhoods I keep seeing in tv look amazing (unless they are only showing the good ones)... Here in North America some homes and neighbourhoods are nice but many are sh*tty Australia has usually been a wealthier nation by GDP per capita than the US or Canada (it's like the only major developed Nation to pass us if you exclude smaller Nations like Norway or Switzerland for example)... So I'm not surprised y'all got such nice houses Also I'm in love with Australians hot bodies. At first I thought all the hot people in the show were carefully selected for tv but then even random ppl walking buy there's at least 2 muscular hunks walking by and the women aren't bad either I know I'm gonna sound judgy but legit If u randomly film in Canada or at a beach ur hard pressed to find anyone who's fit. It's all big belly's, cellulite on legs etc Here to find fit people u have to go to the gym where ppl who like being fit concentrate to. And even then a big gym like mine could have 70 people inside (more if you count the people doing classes) and maybe 7 or 8 people (10%) will actually be fit. I call that small portion of fit guys that actually go consistently and are fit AF the gym Ellites also I love Australian accent. To us it sounds kinda similar to a British accent but fine tuned and improved to sound better! long story short I've been obsessed with Australia. If tickets weren't so expensive and bills werent so tight right now... I'd go there in a snap!!!! Tho Japan still remains high in my wife and mines list to go to as well tho. I don't find it as beautiful as Australia but it's an extremely unique culture and I'd love to go there too just to experience that... As a British colony like Canada and the US and English speaking country and based on what I see on tv Australia culturally speaking is not that alien to the Western World at least not compared to Japan So when we cross to the other side of the world (which won't be for a while for financial reasons and also cuz before we go anywhere else my wife will meet my family in Portugal first and it's also a chance for her to see the country I came from) After Portugal I'm not sure ATM if were doing Japan first or Australia. They are both kinda tied at the top of our list right now Were more inclined to Australia for the nature, the amazing beaches, the cool cities and the fun looking party people of Australia Japan gets more points for being an exceptionally different culture that would make seeing it an experience. Also Tokyo is an insane metropolis You’re married? I - ...um I’m totally stunned. Well, yes you are right in that we Australians are generally attractive, and diverse as well. We’re not all blonde white people though, although that is the huge majority especially outside the capital cities, being of mainly British descent. But honestly, as physically attractive as we are, we’re also quite feral. It’s a term that conjures up a sense of lawlessness, kind of so laidback to the point of crazy. So many obsess over fitness and having a sexy body! It’s nice but it’s also overwhelming. I know some gym junkies who go every day. Like, what even? I think you should go to Japan and Australia in the same trip because they will be such a contrast. Japan has such huge urban population and hectic nightlife whereas we are very suburban and our nightlife sucks. Our suburbs are like small towns. Same old same old everywhere you go. But during the day there will always be loads of stuff to do. When Australians want excitement we usually go to Bali, Thailand, Hawaii or Vegas/LA. I have been to neither coz I am so damn poor! But I take it as a point of pride that i have never been to any of the stereotypical places Aussies visit. Canada, Cambodia, Middle East and East Africa are all high on my agenda. I like wartorn countries...don’t know why. They just appeal to me By the way the few Canadians I have met have all been beautiful inside and out!!! Go figure. Maybe it’s the ones who travel that are a biased sample but it sure does feed my hunger for wanting to go. I stopped smoking weed (and cigarettes) years ago after being addicted for many years. But when it’s in a foreign country all bets are off! I’m past the point of fearing a relapse and getting addicted again, and can easily smoke one or two and then forget about it. And no way willl i get it from an “authorised dealer”!!! Of course it will be fresher and cheaper when you get it without the fat cat government hooker middlemen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 53,076 Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Lord Temptation said: You’re married? I - ...um I’m totally stunned. Well, yes you are right in that we Australians are generally attractive, and diverse as well. We’re not all blonde white people though, although that is the huge majority especially outside the capital cities, being of mainly British descent. But honestly, as physically attractive as we are, we’re also quite feral. It’s a term that conjures up a sense of lawlessness, kind of so laidback to the point of crazy. So many obsess over fitness and having a sexy body! It’s nice but it’s also overwhelming. I know some gym junkies who go every day. Like, what even? I think you should go to Japan and Australia in the same trip because they will be such a contrast. Japan has such huge urban population and hectic nightlife whereas we are very suburban and our nightlife sucks. Our suburbs are like small towns. Same old same old everywhere you go. But during the day there will always be loads of stuff to do. When Australians want excitement we usually go to Bali, Thailand, Hawaii or Vegas/LA. I have been to neither coz I am so damn poor! But I take it as a point of pride that i have never been to any of the stereotypical places Aussies visit. Canada, Cambodia, Middle East and East Africa are all high on my agenda. I like wartorn countries...don’t know why. They just appeal to me By the way the few Canadians I have met have all been beautiful inside and out!!! Go figure. Maybe it’s the ones who travel that are a biased sample but it sure does feed my hunger for wanting to go. I stopped smoking weed (and cigarettes) years ago after being addicted for many years. But when it’s in a foreign country all bets are off! I’m past the point of fearing a relapse and getting addicted again, and can easily smoke one or two and then forget about it. And no way willl i get it from an “authorised dealer”!!! Of course it will be fresher and cheaper when you get it without the fat cat government hooker middlemen! Canada can be great to visit but u just gotta do ur homework and know where to go. There's a lot of amazing things to see and do but if u don't do enough research u could also end up somewhere with nothing to do And I lowkey find it cool that you guys are so Into fitness. I myself love working out and it's so hard to find a friend to workout with cuz here in Canada only a small fraction of ppl are actually dedicated to that... even those who have a gym membership, most don't actually ever go, or they'll go like once a month Most ppl who look fit here it's not cuz they workout much it's just because they have good genes I'm generalizing tho. You do find a few individuals who like working out and staying fit... But out of all my friends and acquaintances maybe like 2 of them work out with any frequency at all The only other gym junkies I've met are other at the gym itself, that small group of dedicated people... At my gym that consists of me, 7 or 8 guys and this 1 woman in her 50s that's always working out (and flirting with men half her age) At least at the hour I go in, the faces u see are of ppl who rarely go and are not fit at all and look like they are dragging their feet forcing themselves to be there Having lived in Europe and now living in North America I see a clear difference. Individuals here are lazy AF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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