Merman 517 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 19 hours ago, MelbHawker said: Well, it kinda was with Shallow lol. Kinda was. Like what you Sea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 17 hours ago, ShayCristoforo said: If you take anything at face value, you will be disappointed. The richness is in the details. For example, Gaga didn't NEED to do motion capture for PetGa. They could have hired an animator more easily. But she chose to go the extra mile, because she is Gaga. There are a number of high caliber details. Not to mention another point, which is that the whole show is like a musical. Requiring a value of writing that other Vegas shows and concerts in general do not try. But no one even sees it's motion capture. So that is literally a waste of time and money, at least when that's all your fans get to use to prove it's a gamechanger of a show It's true that detail is worthy of appreciation but this is a concert we're talking about. We're talking about hundreds of people in a room that can barely see what the stage outfits look like, because they're that far away. That's why these things have to stand out visually on an instant level rather than a "well, if you just look closer, it's actually really cool" way That's just a bad show. She obviously understands this. She took great care to create instantly iconic looking outfits and set pieces that made an instant visual mark even for festival crowds when she first debuted, let alone 10 years into the thing. She knows showbiz. The only reason I can think of for her not delivering a memorable and exciting show (imo) this time around is that she's just not that into creating performances anymore Like, say what you will, but 85% of the whole thing is choreographed routines. That is not her job, that's the choreographer's show. If all she did was work on the interludes (which, by the way, don't look like thàt much effort went into them, writing and directing wise, at least not compared to her competitors) and write some fun but intentionally simplistic and corny dialogue, then that's not a huge effort and you can't argue that she did so much more than other Vegas residents The truth is, she didn't. And that's fine. Or it would be, if she didn't claim she was gonna "revolutionize" Vegas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnieDarko 10,186 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Some of ya'll, I swear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GABEL 1,853 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 don't forget this show takes place in a theater, some of you talk like you're expecting a stadium tour her voice is at her peak and you can clearly see her passion on stage, surly she can change the old arrangement for her old songs(maybe switch them with fan-fave songs or do some remix?) but the rest is fabulous. and seriously what do you expect? do you see anyone who left the show said they were disappointed? because in my opinion she has done her part Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaga4stef 112 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Maybe this point was made already (I honestly couldn't read thru 8 pages of "fans" bitching about all the ways Gaga disappoints), but some people seem to forget artists change i.e. grow, mature over time. Some of you might equate that as losing their edge or whatever because they aren't "groundbreaking". Seriously I feel sorry for some of you who expect the impossible. I still see and hear a woman with more talent in her little finger than so many of the current pop "stars". Gaga is still fierce. Move on if you don't get it because that's your problem, not hers. Every time we say goodbye baby it hurts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Noble 1,752 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I think it's a mix of how Gaga could try being more enigmatic and innovative with the same (or less) money, but also we literally have no control over her decisions. If she wants to carry on with how Enigma is now then that's fine (she's the one being critically acclaimed, not us) but we fell in love with her because of her brilliant new ideas, I don't see anything innovative in Enigma. I'm not saying she shouldn't listen to her friends or family, but she needs to think about the fans too. She has the mind to create something new and groundbreaking while conveying her message, she has already done this with a much lower budget. Government Hooker-eh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Noble 1,752 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 36 minutes ago, Gaga4stef said: Maybe this point was made already (I honestly couldn't read thru 8 pages of "fans" bitching about all the ways Gaga disappoints), but some people seem to forget artists change i.e. grow, mature over time. Some of you might equate that as losing their edge or whatever because they aren't "groundbreaking". Seriously I feel sorry for some of you who expect the impossible. I still see and hear a woman with more talent in her little finger than so many of the current pop "stars". Gaga is still fierce. Move on if you don't get it because that's your problem, not hers. She can still be mature while being different to before, bringing something else to the table. That's all most of us want from her, but she still literally owes us nothing. Government Hooker-eh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijahfan 26,041 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 There is absolutely nothing wrong with her team, you're overhyping yourselves on your own just fine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenusBlackStar 1,301 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 They very well may be using a lot of technologies, but probably not every tech thing is meant to be a spectacle for the audience. A lot might be internal that helps the show along or makes people's lives easier. They can talk about the utility of these certain things if they exist, but they don't need to appease fans by explaining exactly what they are if they don't feel the need to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imnotyourbabe10 6,100 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I understand the differing opinions on here and have often missed her "queer/f**k you pop music" persona. Enigma brought some of that back in some senses! It's weird in a good way. Also think she may be waiting for award season to be over to pull a "meat-dress" level of radical change in the public eye. (Or maybe she'll just continue to balance the "Lady" and the "Gaga") She does know what she's doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle 14,068 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 On 1/1/2019 at 8:36 PM, adammonroe said: Ok so I'll go straight to the point. Have you guys noticed that Gaga and her team, specially her team, always hype their projects to such a level that when the actual product or project is born then there's usually a lot of dissapointment within us? The last and most recent example is Enigma, and don't get me wrong, I love the show and I think it's fun, but even Gaga herself said in that japenese interview that Enigma would use a lot of "technologies" and I can't help but wonder where are they? A lot of people thought the Motion Capture would be used for some kind of holographic peeformance or stuff like that but in reality it was used to create a talking entity on a screen, which is something she already did in 2013 with PetGa. The Scheiße robot is not even a robot cuz her dancers are moving it and the stage doesn't even look groundbreaking and it kinda looks cheap, it doesn't have any platforms or stuff like that except for the cage that's hanging from the ceiling. So, what do you think they meant with "groundbreaking", "vegas will never be the same", and the use of "modern technologies"? Motion Picture, flying devices, screens. Those are technologies. In the end, Gaga's getting rave reviews and sold out shows so yeah I don't really think they will lose sleep over "hyping" things when it doesn't affect the results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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