The contradiction of 'Born This Way'

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Did my research.

Catholic perspective: It's not wrong for you to have the  tendency of sexual desire to same sex ('cause God makes no mistake)  but it's a sin if you act upon that desire.

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8 hours ago, DCgaga said:

The thing about “Man shall not sleep with man” is not at all what it actually means, it’s a translation error, it’s supposed to say “Man shall not sleep with boy.” Yes, it’s talking about PEDOPHILIA, not HOMOSEXUALITY 😂

it might be but I feel like everything people don't agree with in the Bible is a translation error, and that doesnt change the fact that thousands  of christians still think the Bible says we should kill homosexuals 

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7 hours ago, That J said:

Lmao.  Well He tore up the church physically and turned tables around and was highly pissed lol. 

according to the Bible I guess? 

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18 hours ago, LibraOctober98 said:

Idk if this has been said already (don't feel like going through 10 pages) but the bible (King James Catholic version) doesn't say that BEING a homosexual is wrong, just like BEING a hetero isn't wrong. Where the sin comes in is when two men have sex (or women), much like how premarital heterosexuals are sinning when they have sex. Likewise, the Catholic Church doesn't call homosexuals to convert to hetersexuality, but they DO call us to be chaste (celibate (ain't had had no sex)). So when Gaga says God makes no mistakes, that's true for Catholics, because we don't believe Homosexuality is a choice. We only believe Homosexuals must be chaste. THAT BEING SAID, God isn't real and anyone can do whatever the hell they want.

that's what you think but I can't even tell you how many times I heard religious people say that homosexuality was a choice, and a wrong choice (probably the second most famous explanation after "they are sick, they need a therapy")

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8 hours ago, Bae said:

If you don't like using God, replace it with Universe instead. Works for me. 

me bopping: "I'M BEAUTIFUL IN MY WAY, CAUSE THE UNIVERSE MAKES NOOO MISTAKE" 

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Either way you can have faith and believe in God and don't follow the rules of the Catholic church.

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8 hours ago, ChicaSkas said:

We might be reading a little too deeply into it. 

or we might not. Music is an art and this is always good to take time to analysis what the artist wrote. Even if she doesn't mean what we are saying, this is not the point. The point is to take the idea and to meditate on this. That's how you get literate

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6 hours ago, Dain said:

This is interesting. 

Interestingly, the ever-enigmatic Lady Gaga's own view of identity is actually a lot more complicated than the "born this way" argument she has associated herself with: "It's a process of living and it's also not ultimately a goal. It's something ever-changing. Something you can ignite at any moment. [...] My fashion is part of who I am, and though I was not born with these clothes on, I was born this way," she told Billboard in 2011. (Source)

Gaga, in other words, believes in being "born this way," but she also believes in being born again, another way. Identity is as mutable as what outfit we choose to wear, something that constantly changes. What we are born with is something more elemental, not a sexual orientation so much as an essential self. Key in Gaga's self-proclaimed worldview is the idea that the self we are born with is mutable, changeable, and—this part is key to understanding Gaga-land—performable.

For example, asked about the differences between Stefanie Germanotta—her given name—and Lady Gaga, here's how she responded: 

"I don't create any separation between my birth name and my subsequent birth name-Lady Gaga. That's the point of what I'm trying to say. Gaga is not manufactured...it is not artificial. I wish I could give that gift to everyone on the planet—the ability for you to create an idea and perceive of something, whether it be a name or a vision for yourself, and just choose to become it. The world, and I base this on the music industry, is obsessed with artists and glamour and creativity and fashion. And artistry has become something that people believe is artificial. For myself, it is my reality. I exist at all times halfway 
between reality and fantasy. That's the way I was born." (Source)

In other words, when Lady Gaga goes all popping-out-of-the-egg on us, or when she births "a new race of humans" in the "Born This Way" music video, or when she shifts from high femininity to high androgyny in her performances, the point is not that she has some innate identity reflected in performance. Her only innate identity, she seems to say, is her ability to engage with and embody fantasy.

"The nexus of 'Born This Way' and the soul of the record reside in this idea that you were not necessarily born in one moment," Lady Gaga told Billboard. "You have your entire life to birth yourself into becoming the ultimate potential vision that you see for you. Who you are when you come out of your mother's womb is not necessarily who you will become. 'Born This Way' says your birth is not finite, your birth is infinite." 

source:https://www.shmoop.com/born-this-way/meaning.html

I couldn't expected such a good answer! thank you for taking your time and for deciding to think beyond instead of dragging me bc it's controversial. It really means a lot to me to find other people that actually want to think above the boundaries and to get more and more literate and I love analyzing what the writer says, especially in songs. You gave a real answer of what Born This Way means to Gaga and that definitely helps me understand the thing more, especially because I didn't get everything. thank you 4rl

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5 hours ago, artplop said:

I'm new here but I wanted to chime is. 

As a fellow nonbeliever, I suggest remembering that GaGa's religiosity isn't terribly traditional. Furthermore, she takes quite the apologist approach to her version of Christianity. She doesn't interpret the Bible literally, but rather, interprets it to fit her needs. 

It also doesn't matter anyway because the New Testament, the Old Testament, the Kuran, etc. were all written by men. In essence, she's just playing their game. 

That said, I have a hard time with Born This Way for a different reason: it doesn't matter if we were "born" LGBT or "chose" to be, because, it doesn't fvcking matter anyway. 

That said, BTW is still one of my favorites. 

Welcome to this cult site !!! Thank you for letting us know your opinion on this I appreciate it 

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3 hours ago, TopazBlue said:

From the Uncertainty Race today to this being the top thread and this being the first post I see

Wow I'm really being tested today huh

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respect my threads sis  jk

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3 hours ago, Satans Ex Wife said:

The mistake you make, friend, is assuming the God Gaga sings about in BTW is the Christian biblical God. There are unlimited nonbiblical ways to interpret, worship, and be inspired by God or a godlike spirit.  

yeah thank you for saying this even though some monsters already told me that  

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2 hours ago, PhillipBagshaw said:

The original translation says that a man shall not lie with child as he does woman. 

I appreciate the effort of trying to have a good conversation, but please research what you're saying

don't pretend it's not a popular idea to say that homosexuality is forbidden by the Bible 

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2 hours ago, T3rrorBlade said:

Did my research.

Catholic perspective: It's not wrong for you to have the  tendency of sexual desire to same sex ('cause God makes no mistake)  but it's a sin if you act upon that desire.

okay I think 1 or 2 monsters also said that earlier. At the end of the day it probably depends on where you live and what are your own convictions since many believers seem to have their own interpretation of the Bible 

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17 minutes ago, NIGHTCRAWLER said:

I couldn't expected such a good answer! thank you for taking your time and for deciding to think beyond instead of dragging me bc it's controversial. It really means a lot to me to find other people that actually want to think above the boundaries and to get more and more literate and I love analyzing what the writer says, especially in songs. You gave a real answer of what Born This Way means to Gaga and that definitely helps me understand the thing more, especially because I didn't get everything. thank you 4rl

Thank you for replying I just copied the article I read( I cited the source ). I found your thread interesting, and BTW notion is such a deep, interesting which explains well Gaga's ideas of identity. Paws up!

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13 minutes ago, NIGHTCRAWLER said:

okay I think 1 or 2 monsters also said that earlier. At the end of the day it probably depends on where you live and what are your own convictions since many believers seem to have their own interpretation of the Bible 

Yeah it's just sad that many people always make "religion" to look like the "bad guy" just because it's not their preferred perspective. They have their own points tho. 

 

By the way,  from articles,  it seems like the Catholic Church all over the world have the same interpretation in the Bible whereas the other Christian sects are like "my opinion is better you better believe it"