Lets face it

[Kattys 4,319]

17 hours ago, zerojk said:

It’s not about the concept, it’s not about crazy dresses, or blood, or a giant egg

it’s about the soul

she can be simple and still slay (the sound of music for example)

True. 

Joanne may be cute, but nowhere close to slayage. And slayege is not about becoming a hit. 

I miss great music.

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20 hours ago, PatrickMonster said:

Madonna was never that creative, she just had an amazing team to put out interesting things for her. She's just a puppet just like Britney

Are you kidding? OMG 

Seriously?? 

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45 minutes ago, Kattys said:

True. 

Joanne may be cute, but nowhere close to slayage. And slayege is not about becoming a hit. 

I miss great music.

This post is so problematic from a musical perspective.

That's like saying country music isn't slayage because you don't like it.

It's subjective.

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I’ll just say this. While I don’t agree with you saying she’s lost her creativity, I think that she is just holding back a bit and has stripped down her image to repair it for the messy things she did during the ARTPOP era. 

She’s been doing an image cleanup since Cheek 2 Cheek. And I don’t think that she’s going to stay safe forever. I think that Lady Gaga’s next era will be really creative and fun. 

[monsterdino 31,991]

the fact that u think shes doing vegas residency bc she lost her spark and not bc of her illness....wild

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21 hours ago, zerojk said:

Let’s face it

Gaga has lost her spark, not 100% of it but some of it...

But you know what? That’s completely normal, it has happened to every artist that is or was once big, it happened to Michael Jackson, it happens right now to Britney, Madonna, etc. 

The one thing that keeps me wondering is why it happened so soon to Gaga... madonna is not the same energetic and creative woman she used to be in the 80s but she’s been around for decades, its understandable considering her age and how long she’s been in the industry.

same as Britney, if you watch her recent performances she’s not even the shadow of who she used to be in the 90s, BUT she was still slaying and delivering in her SIXTH ALBUM. (Circus)

Gaga’s popularity and success began falling right after The Fame Monster, sure she was still controversial and somewhat relevant but it feels like since Born This Way nothing has been the same anymore, her videos are getting more and more generic and predictable every time, and this has nothing to do with the Joanne concept, which I actually liked, I still remember when you never knew what to expect when it came to a new Gaga video, her performances are getting less energetic and completely lack that “Gaga creativity” that they used to have. 

Like I said, I’m not being delusional or salty, this is just part of every artist career, I just wonder why it happend just as early as AFTER HER 3RD ALBUM, back in 2011/2013 would you have believed that Gaga would be doing Vegas residency this soon?

What do you think?

No she hasn't her last jwt was flawless it may not be as outrageous as MBT and btwb and have her doing anything like shooting her dancers or fingering herself in a dentist chair but it's still flawless she can dance well preform well sing very well she's still selling records and selling out arenas it seems to be just you that thinks that

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19 hours ago, JupiterDrive said:

She's nothing without her old team

other than one of the most talented vocalists, song interpreters, and performers of the modern age, that is.

 

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20 hours ago, AlexanderMagno said:

Because she no longer has the creative team she had in her best years. That's why it was too soon.

 

Sorry, but that's the only truth I can see. Even if you say she wanted to do something different, explore different genres and visuals, the result has been average. It's like she can't execute her ideas properly. More and more I'm sure the great Lady Gaga was built by an amazing creative team (which, of course, included her) and once that team was dismissed she simply couldn't sustain it.

Her transition into a more "human" pop star was not done successfully.

Why do you think everything about ARTPOP failed once Troy Carter left her team? Fans love to talk about how ARTPOP would have been the most amazing era if she had done everything she promised, specially technology wise. But explain to me, what stopped her? Her manager leaving? If ARTPOP was something she wanted to do, why didn't she after Troy left? She didn't have any lack of money and still had a creative team behind her, and a new manager. All the ARTPOP's promising ventures were probably Troy's idea and he took them once they parted ways.

The things she says, from dismissing the Lady Gaga persona to contradicting herself (specially when it comes to the "who's to blame" questions).

Everything about her has been predictable and safe. Seriously, for a pop star who has alwas been about "I don't give a ****", I don't remember the last time she actually didn't. It looks like she completely changed once she experience the slightest flop in her career. ARTPOP didn't do as good and immediately she hides herself, and starts planning her career in a whole different way. There are out there music artists a lot less resources, in every single way, who continue to produce the music they want to. I thought Gaga would be more like them. Instead, she behaves like a pop star who's simply aiming at a higher status. I mean, even Katy Perry has been more cohesive with her statements and has stick to her work more than Gaga...

 

Anyway, this is just ranting. I haven't been stan blinded for years and I mostly write these things because there are so many fans who still think Gaga is their best friend (when in reality she's just a pop star) and that's incredibly irritating.

I'm sick of the whole "next album will be the one". Everyone has been saying this since Born This Way (for me, her best work). I said to myself, Joanne would be the next album. And besides the music, not particularly great except three songs, she did a few uninspired videos, she interrupted an album era to shoot a movie (and now acting is her actual thing, music is just something that's on the way), she released her most generic and trendy song ever, she released a documentary about her personal life, which wasn't really as inspiring as I was expecting. I won't discuss the tour, even though I think she knew sooner she was going to cancel, it's a health issue and that will be understandable.

So yeah, I'm not forcing myself to stan for a woman who hasn't delivered. Gaga is just an entertainer people, life's not about her.

 

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21 hours ago, Fiona Apple said:

I do believe that Gaga's creative peak was clearly 2008-2012 in terms of literally everything.(Music-visuals-performances-looks). I am really not sure if you are implying that Born This Way was already a decline in terms of creativity but I believe that her best TV performances/songs were during that era.

But it would happen sooner or later.Gaga tried to sell a very specific persona in her early career that couldn't last very long.After 2012 it was already taken too far..I believe that it was a very smart move to completely break the "Lady Gaga" image especially after ARTPOP era that was both commercially and creatively unsuccessful imo (at least compared to her previous works).I just wish that her new direction would be more interesting and on par quality-wise with what she did earlier in her career and sadly that hasn't happened yet..It feels like after the failure of ARTPOP she is scared to open up creatively and she is doing what she thinks she is supposed to be doing. Joanne is certainly not a bad album but other than a few rly good moments like MR,Joanne,Sinner's Prayer etc.,it's quite bland and uninspired IMO. "The Cure" also sounds like a dated 2009 rushed song that was rejected and was re-produced in a cheap way to fit the new trends..Also the fact that she really wants to please the pop fans with releasing songs like "Dancing in circles" doesn't help either.. ..I still have lots of hope for her and I will be following her career since I do believe in her potential and I love her voice.But yeah I do feel like her genuine creativity is not present rn

I think she’s in the process of figuring things out tbh. Bear in mind that Joanne was written during the fallout of her engagement to someone she very deeply loved. That shook her. So I don’t know if Joanne is her new trajectory, but to me it feels like a weigh station. She’s just stopping off for a bit to take a breather and collect herself, refuel, and then she’s going to hit the engine again. When she was doing LG5 she didn’t really have an idea of what she wanted to do or say and Joanne coming along is indicative of that. She’s been a little lost. She spent years building her first persona even before the public saw it, but now that she’s in the spotlight she has to do this refining in the public gaze.

To me, Joanne feels like a necessary closure to her meteoric first decade. She soared, she fell, and she now she’s bringing herself back together again. Joanne was never meant to be a comeback, more like a pit stop to regroup and collect all that she’s lost or neglected over the past couple of years. So I think she’s finding where she wants to head next.

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3 hours ago, lolitamuse said:

Tbh, I think that's a lot of the issue. She moved to CA and it completely changed her. I've lived in NYC for the last 4 years, and I'm originally a born and raised Miami girl. And I am *so different* now than I was when I lived in Miami. It's a different lifestyle here, a different attitude you have to adopt. She lost a lot of the NYC spunk--that idgaf attitude.

if she had lost that "IDGAF" attitude she wouldn't have released an album that is a 180 degree turn from everything she's done before.   She would have done the expected. People seem to confuse a different artistic direction with "losing the spark."   As if "the spark" can only be expressed in a stereotypically NY bad ass way.

[monster4life231 4,304]

The problem is, artists change, but most of us don't change with them....

[lauramonster 267]

Again I don't see the problem about don't follow an artist for a while if you're not interested...

I didn't follow Gaga on C2C era, I'm not into Jazz, but I was fine cause she looked happy, the record worked well and it had a public who loved it.

Same with Joanne, I love the record (not my fave but I love it) if you don't like this moment of her just listen to another things. (my opinion) 

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I definitely understand what you're saying but for me I'll wait just a bit more and see what she comes up with on LG6.

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2 hours ago, giskardsb said:

if she had lost that "IDGAF" attitude she wouldn't have released an album that is a 180 degree turn from everything she's done before.   She would have done the expected.

After the Cheek to Cheek success, after the acclaim for the Sound of Music tribute and the National Anthem at the SuperBowl, after TIHTY, after the extensive campaign to change the public's perception of Gaga, the reinvention of her image and the efforts to make Gaga a pop vocalist above the gimmicks and the dance, you still think Joanne was unpredictable? Joanne is indeed very different from Gaga's previous work, and lots of fans try to use that as an argument and as a proof of her being risky. But ARTPOP was a flop according to the media and she gained more acclaim after everything that came afterwards, so there was nothing unexpected about Gaga releasing her new solo album with a less polarizing image and stripped down music.

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