youandi 2,110 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Nah, she's not ruined therefore no. Popular big artists are known for their presence and status now I think, not chart success. Yes people like The Chainsmokers, Migos and various trend hopping DJs are very popular right now but its not the same. There is popular in the 'now' and there are people who are popular because they're regarded that way. Beyonce is always raved about and she doesn't have majorly successful singles coming out regularly. Gaga is clearly becoming a legend and BTW is a major chapter in her journey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiuga 1,970 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Yes sales wise and also because of the outspoken gay agenda but she saved many people’s lives with that album, delivered an kick ass body of work and tour, and solidified the loyalty of her core fanbase. not many people have that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibsen Ferreira 39 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 lady ruined gaga Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 1,021 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 I think that Judas being released as the second single ruined everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Born this way didn't ruin her, it elevated her from pop star to artist, the kind of artist that actually uses their platform to attempt to make meaningful change in the world. Compared to a pop star that's just doing a job for the label. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergil 2,296 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 If the GP doesn’t like something it means it’s really good. I lived for those days when my religious grandma went to the church every Sunday and light a candle praying for my soul because of blasting Judas so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMF 3,469 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 I do agree that Born This Way played a part in changing the GPs perception to an extend which 'damaged' her mainstream appeal. Some other things relating to the BTW era which i feel played a part and probably already mentioned: 1. GP and fan expectations after the Fame Monster era were just too big and was hard to follow up. 2. Madonna's slandering and mocking BTW the song, implying Gaga ripped her off which the gays bought. 3. Perez (swine) Hilton dragged Gaga at a time where his petty blog was doing big numbers and the whole Judas vs Like a Prayer made people laugh at Gaga and stop taking her music and art seriously. 4. The album cover for BTW the album got laughed at as well, from fans and GP alike. Not many people got the concept behind it, or how it deliberately was meant to look like a bad Photoshop. 5. As many said, Gaga's promotional train was too intense and in people's faces all the time. 6. A lot of the BTW aesthetics failed to connect with people, from her make-up to outfits. It was too heavy metal and 80's for many. And too dark. 7. The general production of BTW was considered too loud, noisy and again had a deliberate retro-aspect about it which didn't resonate with fans and GP as much. 8. I also think BTW the song was too 'simple' in the way of lyrics compared to the 'abstract' and 'fun' nature of the likes of Pokerface, Just Dance, Bad Romance, Telephone etc. Somehow it didn't sound as much like a CrazyGa song. And when Judas came out everyone said 'Bad Romance 2.0' as if that was a bad thing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Gaga spoke of BTW as the “album of the decade” but also the album that the public wouldn’t appreciate until years later. So I kind of feel as if she anticipated all the backlash during BTW and the aftermath (ARTPOP), and that it would be her peak in popularity. She knew she had come so far in such little time so she had far to fall In some ways ARTPOP is her answer as to why she released BTW so early in her career: she is an artist. Artists risk everything to make a statement. And unlike most artists she didn’t want to wait decades before making the most her most important statement. She sacrificed her popularity (and even relevancy) to make an album because she believed it was what the world needed And she was right BTW is the anthem of the future, of a better world “Born This Way” did ruin Gaga, but she did it on purpose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
13VictorC 1,102 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Aussie said: 4. The album cover for BTW the album got laughed at as well, from fans and GP alike. Not many people got the concept behind it, or how it deliberately was meant to look like a bad Photoshop. Wait, what?! I never heard that before. Is there a theory behind that "amateur" look? If there's a solid concept behind it, then I could learn to like it more because I can't look at that cover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 11 hours ago, 13VictorC said: Wait, what?! I never heard that before. Is there a theory behind that "amateur" look? If there's a solid concept behind it, then I could learn to like it more because I can't look at that cover. I read that she wanted it to symbolise the marriage of flesh and metal. So it is meant to look awkward, almost ghastly, like plastic surgery gone wrong - but brave enough to be cool about it. Defiant. Because she was made that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonythewitch 450 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 very true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaUnderYou 4,992 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 "Ever since Born This Way she is a flop". I think we can all agree Gaga knows what she's doing. If she wants mainstream success she'll go for it and go back to her old sounds. She's all about doing things she wants now (i.e. Cheek to Cheek, ARTPOP, Joanne). Her music is to heal her soul and we are fortunate enough for her to share that with us. Whatever she's feeling to put out in the world we should all be greatful, she's successful no matter what and can literally retire now and she will still be filthy rich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imnotyourbabe10 6,100 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 It's sad that the general public (seemingly) cannot accept or take the time to contemplate subversive art/music/film/theatre. Though, it means you're doing something right if you're pissing people off in the name of something good (As mentioned in the thread --her sacrifices in advocating for equality). But, then again, the GP are people who (some religious) couldn't comprehend that Judas was, quite literally, a parable about love--simply using Biblical symbolism. (Same could go for Alejandro's imagery). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoStyx 3,355 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 While I tend to agree, I want to share my personal point of view as a non-fan at the time. So I was a teenager back then -14-15- and I remember REALLY loving Gaga. She was very successful in France with all of her singles from 2008 to 2011 - except Yoü and I that I first discovered once I became a fan. But I remember in 2012-2013, people (including I) started to get tired of her, we thought she had become a caricature of herself, that she wasn't innovative anymore, just trying to get attention. I remember a moment very well in 2013: my dad was on Twitter and I wasn't and the Applause single cover had just been released and he asked me what I thought and I said "yeah, nothing new, typical Gaga". And I think that's what people thought back then: we were tired of her. Maybe, as you said, because it all happened too fast and too much with BTW. And then, when it comes to Europe and France at least, she hasn't had any hit since Marry The Night (moderate hit ofc). I've never heard any of her songs from ARTPOP on the radio and with Joanne, she decided to focus on the US and give up on Europe, both with music and promotion. So, today, people are stuck with her image from 2012... cause of death: gaga singing along perfect illusion on BBC Radio 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeymonda 644 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 As much as I love the BTW era, I agree that majority of people became “over her” during it. F*ck your perfect illusion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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