Born This Way 'ruined' Gaga

[brit4ever 2,034]

15 hours ago, tomsches said:

With BTW it officially became gay to like Gaga. That was One Problem for the gp. 

I agree with the overexposure. I think it is just normal that massive, beloved popstars get hated After a few albums. Happened to britney too 

With Britney was different. People hated her as a persson and considered her "white trash", but they always liked her music and she had a consistent chart success all the way untill 2013. People hated her and laughed at her but they were still listening/buying her music. The reason why people hated her 2004-7 was because she grew up and started being sexy, drinking, smoking, partying, they even hated her for having sex, people hated her because of her perssonal life, but her perssonal life never realy affected her music that drastically.

Gaga on the other hand became unlikeable, at least in my oppinion, because she pulled the weirdo character way too far, parents didn't approved Gaga as good role model, kids were scared of her(at least I was when I was 10), teens and tweens were tired of her, elderly were shocked by the religios content and all of a sudden Gaga lost almost everyone from the GP untill only her fanbase remained, wich judging by BTW sales and ARTPOP sales have also declined.

[Mirages 20,259]

16 hours ago, PerfectGUY said:

Gaga's huge success took an end during the BTW era, but she kept the boat afloat thanks to her previous successes.

I actually agree with this. I think the problem that BTW era faced were wrong single choices. She put out BTW, it went #1 everywhere, because of TFM success, but people noticed it was similar to Express Yourself and the whole drama ensued, then when she had a chance to release second single that would smash again they decided for Judas a song that heavily resembles Bad Romance, so I know a lot of people around me kept saying after that that she is washed out and drained already and doesn't have moree creativity to share so she started recycling, which is sad and also untrue as we can see. TEOG thankfully was a strong song enough to keep the rest of the era afloat, she got a pass for You and I because her performance at the VMAs was entertaining, the song had great vocal performance, but again sampled another song, but since Adele gained popularity at the time and You and I was the closest thing to Adele they released it and was a success, after so much exposure MTN just had no chance of smashing unfortunatelly, And then everything was mirrored in ARTPOP as you said, I totally agree.

[PlanetChromatica 2,266]

Why does this topic have to be discussed over and over? We know all this, we have to stop dwelling in the past. If Gaga was scrolling through here, I'm sure you wouldn't want her to see a topic named "Born This Way 'ruined' Gaga?"... 

[IAmNotHere1997 25,824]

No, it didn't. BTW > TFM. Fight me.

[Phlop 4,773]

Y’all act like you all know everything.

For the record, BTW rose higher than JD and PF on iTunes after Super Bowl. And TEOG got a bigger raise than Telephone, and wasn’t even performed.

And if it was such a low point in her career, she wouldn’t have included a lot of it on her current tour (including 2 random fan faves that weren’t singles).

She was just too big for too long. What goes up must come down.

[IAmNotHere1997 25,824]

The only thing that "ruined" her was people's expectations about ARTPOP to be much bigger than BTW, and her team trying too hard

[Thomas P 18,479]

Gaga pushed things very hard, and she did too many things in the span of 12 months with the album. It was very experimental, and in your face. Her performances turned from wacky, to straight up weird and gross (I love it but the gp can only take so much), and she was just EVERYWHERE, when no one wanted her to be. It was a treat for little monsters, but eventually it became the cause of her downfall from the top of the pop throne. Throw in some poor managing in ARTPOP, and you have the formula for disaster. 

[MaybeKermit 4,960]

2 hours ago, Phoenix said:

Her hip ruined her career. From that it all went downhill, and also good people leaving and bad ones coming in her life. Like Donatella f.e. who is a bad influence, look at grammy 2018 comments everyone calling gaga a plastic granny, and she does look a bit so.

You cant have success if you are surrounded by people who say everything u do is great, criticism by your people is needed.

And also on top of it her over the top bull**** with ARTPOP and joanne, like release an album, stop making it such a big deal with these over the top stories behind it. Even her grandma was over it in the documentary.

 

the gif

[Arcanum 5,159]

Alejandro MV

BTW hype for a year

BTW plagiarism

anti-Gaga movement (Adele,Lana etc.)

Judas content

Aesthetics (horns, gothic fashion)

Jo Calderone

MV with no appeal/replay value

Overexposure to media

ARTPOP delay

Roar/applause charts battle

DWUW mess

It's like she had a domino effect in every bad move she made.

[MaybeKermit 4,960]

2 hours ago, Phoenix said:

Her hip ruined her career. From that it all went downhill, and also good people leaving and bad ones coming in her life. Like Donatella f.e. who is a bad influence, look at grammy 2018 comments everyone calling gaga a plastic granny, and she does look a bit so.

You cant have success if you are surrounded by people who say everything u do is great, criticism by your people is needed.

And also on top of it her over the top bull**** with ARTPOP and joanne, like release an album, stop making it such a big deal with these over the top stories behind it. Even her grandma was over it in the documentary.

 

I'M DYINGGGGG WHATT (Donatella part)

I do agree with the rest of ur comment

+ the part about her team is sth I have been wanting to make a thread about for a very long time. In the documentary they just seem to be kissing her ass at every chance they get. It really bugged me. You really DO need to be criticized, just so u can be challenged and pushed even more..

When she asks them 'do u think some of the older fans will be upset that I'm not wearing some crazy outfits?', the two girls go 'omg nooo what gaga omg no girl haha lol nooo not at alllll everybody will be so glad' ????????????? what?

that's just one example  

[Monster Voices 1,024]

17 hours ago, Triggered said:

Be grateful she sacrificed a lot of her commercial success to be an advocate for LGBT rights and generate conversation about online bullying and mental illness when NO one else in the industry dared to.

Simply this! 

Born this way was extremely important for a lot of people and society in general. Who cares about the charts .. Gaga still sells out her shows.

[PerfectGUY 7,822]

34 minutes ago, Phlop said:

For the record, BTW rose higher than JD and PF on iTunes after Super Bowl. And TEOG got a bigger raise than Telephone, and wasn’t even performed.

Again, we're not discussing the music here but the commercial strategy. Of course BTW is a better song than JD and that's why it rose higher. We're talking about an era, a commercial attitude 

34 minutes ago, Phlop said:

And if it was such a low point in her career, she wouldn’t have included a lot of it on her current tour (including 2 random fan faves that weren’t singles).

same, the songs on BTW are excellent, that's why she added some in her tour

[HoeMoe 1,242]

While i do agree with everything op stated in terms of mainstream, gp declining and what not. BTW will always my 1# album ever, the message behind it all was phenomenal.. i think its what made most turn into monsters.

 

and one more thing, this 

1 hour ago, Mirages said:

but since Adele gained popularity at the time and You and I was the closest thing to Adele they released it and was a success, after so much exposure MTN just had no chance of smashing unfortunatelly, And then everything was mirrored in ARTPOP as you said, I totally agree.

 

[malongaga 1,227]

How to delete someone else's thread 

[Ziggy 11,863]

Born This Way had a lot of success, I don't think comparing it to LWYMMD is totally warranted because its success was driven less by controversy than by people playing the song. I mean, it was #1 for how many weeks and pre-streaming so it actually meant something?

As for the album, I think the HUGE success of BTW, coupled with Gaga having been everywhere the past two years, coupled with the very loud album that tbh called a lot more from new music trends that weren't quite there yet for the GP, coupled with Judas as a follow-up, coupled with the Madge controversy all made BTW a decline for her. The number of singles, though, was Interscope trying to get a huge hit. All of the songs shot up to the top upon release but never quite landed anywhere on the charts. They were front-loaded. Her videos also got messier and messier as they went on. I, personally, love TEOG's video, but it took awhile to come out and was not what people were expecting and every other one was not very well-received.

The way I see it is that she would have had a decline of some sort around this time anyway since her image at the time was trendy. Trends grow and die, she knows this, but I don't think was expecting it yet. Still, I appreciate that even though her decline was inevitable, she stuck to her guns and made probably the one album she absolutely loves without exceptions or caveats. It feels the most distinctively Gaga for that reason even when it isn't always her best work. She gave it everything and sacrificed nothing, success be damned, and I love that.