Arturo 40,746 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, sipthistea said: Once again, thank you for this brilliant and scientific report that will become a reality soon. And if it doesn't,well, we still have the nominations to brag about ( And if the Tony's birthday album wins Traditional Pop, well, we can brag about that too and hold Gaga responsible for it) But why do you think Kesha will win Pop Solo? I want Pop Solo more than anything. Way more than I want Pop Album (although I’ll take either). buuuut I also now think Kesha has a good chance. The Grammys are obviously going to adress the #MeToo movement. If Ed really did bow out then the Grammys will most likely have adjusted the winners and who better to give it to than Kesha whose song is about her being a survivor? I really hope that doesnt happen, I’ll take SOY winning over MR only because that’ll be a given but if it’s Praying I’ll be pissed because it’ll only be because of #MeToo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KleinGa 18,177 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, GrigioGirl1 said: NO ONE was announced as performers during the voting period. So the performers list had no bearing. I dont think you understood. The OP never said that the performance list had a bearing on the voting but that the vote results had a bearing on the performance list. meaning, when grammy votes are finished casting, then they decide performers based on those results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KleinGa 18,177 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 @PunkTheFunk do you think Ed’s snub from the Grammy Nominees Album is affecting this in any way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doppelganger 3,930 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I much prefer analytical speculaion threads like this than another Twitter Insider thread! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave To The Audio 130 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 People have too much time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkTheFunk 124,361 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 39 minutes ago, ChrisC said: Am I the only one thinking she’ll get zero wins? She also performed at the oscars before the winner for her category was announced and I think we all know how that went Yes but all Best Song nominees perform every year regardless. The Grammy's have the liberty to choose their performers, switch around the orders, pick which categories they want to present, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr S 8,671 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, KleinGa said: I dont think you understood. The OP never said that the performance list had a bearing on the voting but that the vote results had a bearing on the performance list. meaning, when grammy votes are finished casting, then they decide performers based on those results. I don't think so. They take a while to count the votes. The counting is done in mid January. They also don't know the results until the day of the show (hence why we find out which awards are presented on the day of the show) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkTheFunk 124,361 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 29 minutes ago, GrigioGirl1 said: NO ONE was announced as performers during the voting period. So the performers list had no bearing. It is also just as likely that people will feel bad for the obivous snub and make it up for him here. Final round of voting concluded on Dec 21. They checked who the winners were. Then announced their performers on Jan 4. 30 minutes ago, GrigioGirl1 said: However, we will find out the day of the awards before the show. If Either pop category is planned on being televised, it means Gaga or Kesha is the winner. If both are televised, it probably means Gaga is winning one, and Kesha is winning the other. If NONE are televised, it means Ed won. I'm 99.9999% sure the categories are being televised. It's only left out of the broadcast when the winner also wins AOTY, but this year there's no overlap between the two. Also, Gaga, Pink, and Kesha's noms are only in those categories, and they're all performing, so it wouldn't make sense to make the three of them perform and not present their categories Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 11,124 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, GrigioGirl1 said: I don't think so. They take a while to count the votes. The counting is done in mid January. They also don't know the results until the day of the show (hence why we find out which awards are presented on the day of the show) the top executive producers most likely know who won. It is only a few people but they are the ones with more power and decision. They probably still have the influence on how the show is built. Take last years Oscars for example, The second La la land was mistakenly announced as the winner for Best Picture, one of the Executive producers went on stage to correct that because him, along with the rest of the producers immediately knew that was a mistake. That group knows who won because they HAVE to know in order to make sure the show goes as planned and each winner is actually awarded as they should. If everyone finds out live who the winners are, the presenter of the award could mistakenly call another nominee as the winner. There has to be at least someone knowing who won to keep things in check, at least that's what I would assume. Now, how much say do these people have in who sings and who performs no idea. But is the RA can pick nominees just because they can, im sure they also like to match the winners with the people who actually show up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KleinGa 18,177 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, GrigioGirl1 said: I don't think so. They take a while to count the votes. The counting is done in mid January. They also don't know the results until the day of the show (hence why we find out which awards are presented on the day of the show) No honey 😂 Voting is online so no physical counting is necessary. They know the winners by the end of December when votes close. Also they are one of those award shows that the producers/ planning committee knows the winners before the show. As OP mentioned its not as secretive as the Oscars. Why? Well they cant decide ON THE DAY of the show which award will be broadcasted. Thats a logistical nightmare. Thats why the oscars have a set bunch of categories that are broadcasted. The Grammys know which categories they will broadcast because they have to plan things (video acceptances from artists that dont show up/ people) etc. Planning these things is not like planning a high school talent show. Quite a lot goes into it and everything needs to be planned down to the very last detail. the reason we dont find out what the broadcast categories are earlier is because they want to keep hype etc Also quite obvious but the Grammys already have the winner’s name engraved on the awards before hand. So they obviously have to know who won in order to engrave it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkTheFunk 124,361 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 33 minutes ago, sipthistea said: Once again, thank you for this brilliant and scientific report that will become a reality soon. And if it doesn't,well, we still have the nominations to brag about ( And if the Tony's birthday album wins Traditional Pop, well, we can brag about that too and hold Gaga responsible for it) But why do you think Kesha will win Pop Solo? Having Kesha sing Praying, get a standing ovation on account of the #MeToo movement, and then win the award and make a powerful speech condemning abusers in the music industry would make for great TV and headlines the next day. It's just too much for the Grammy execs to pass up. The alternative is having Ed win the award and a random presenter saying "oh he couldn't be here tonight i accept this on his behalf bye " 22 minutes ago, KleinGa said: @PunkTheFunk do you think Ed’s snub from the Grammy Nominees Album is affecting this in any way? I completely forgot about this! He was snubbed from the major categories, promo for the event, AND the nominees album. The evil has been defeated! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Sky 10,913 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 41 minutes ago, Arturo said: Real **** though, in my mind her chances went from 0 to pretty good in the past few weeks alone. I mean all the promo of her on Grammy posters, the Ed speculation of him not attending, and just everything feels right for a win. Although I was thinking she wins Pop Solo.. You had me until the last sentence. What makes you think she has a better chance at Pop Solo than Pop Vocal? I personally think its a given for Shape of You to win Pop Solo with Praying being 2nd most likely, and Joanne could be a little more competitive in Pop Vocal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr S 8,671 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 15 minutes ago, KleinGa said: No honey 😂 Voting is online so no physical counting is necessary. They know the winners by the end of December when votes close. Also they are one of those award shows that the producers/ planning committee knows the winners before the show. As OP mentioned its not as secretive as the Oscars. Why? Well they cant decide ON THE DAY of the show which award will be broadcasted. Thats a logistical nightmare. Thats why the oscars have a set bunch of categories that are broadcasted. The Grammys know which categories they will broadcast because they have to plan things (video acceptances from artists that dont show up/ people) etc. Planning these things is not like planning a high school talent show. Quite a lot goes into it and everything needs to be planned down to the very last detail. the reason we dont find out what the broadcast categories are earlier is because they want to keep hype etc Also quite obvious but the Grammys already have the winner’s name engraved on the awards before hand. So they obviously have to know who won in order to engrave it Do you have proof of all this? The votes go to an accounting firm first. I doubt they start counting until January after holidays. And I already agreed they know the winners before the show. Maybe not the day of, but the week of at best is when they find out the winners. They chose the performers based on who has a lot of nominations, who is nominated in the big ones, who they think is gonna be a big winner, and who will bring them ratings. Its always been this way, even before the online voting. Also the winners get the real Grammys, fully engraved, delivered to them after the show. The ones you see on the show and in pics are fake (source: http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2015/02/05/10-things-didnt-know-about-grammy-awards.html) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr S 8,671 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, PunkTheFunk said: Having Kesha sing Praying, get a standing ovation on account of the #MeToo movement, and then win the award and make a powerful speech condemning abusers in the music industry would make for great TV and headlines the next day. It's just too much for the Grammy execs to pass up. The alternative is having Ed win the award and a random presenter saying "oh he couldn't be here tonight i accept this on his behalf bye " Having Beyonce perform a BLM song, win Album of the Year with a powerful speech would have made great headlines too. I'm sure the producers may WANT it, but they can't control who the voters vote for. Sure people like Pink and Taylor Swift showed their support to her, but there are still a lot of people who don't know who the **** she is. Meanwhile Gaga is A list, performs every year inlcuding the Superbowl. Neither will likely beat Ed SHeeran, but if there was an upset, it be Gaga not Kesha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 11,124 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 30 minutes ago, KleinGa said: but the Grammys already have the winner’s name engraved on the awards before hand. So they obviously have to know who won in order to engrave it 1 Actually no, they have like two or three mock up grammies that dont say anything. they Send the actual engraved grammies to the winners about a month after the ceremony. They just give you the mocks so you can hold it for pictures Edit: I see you already explained it yourself sorry! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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