StarstruckIllusion 52,868 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 19 minutes ago, JR Gg said: Not really. Gaga doesn't have to apologise for every collaborator who has done something wrong. She wasn't even aware at the time No way. Everyone knew about that case. It's iconic. She wasn't THAT sheltered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Gg 12,985 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Just now, artRaver said: How was she not aware when he's literally been outted as a creep since the 90's. None were proven guilty. I have posted receipts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Gg 12,985 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Wigless said: No way. Everyone knew about that case. It's iconic. She wasn't THAT sheltered. 4 minutes ago, JR Gg said: Keyword: Accusations 1996: Sued for emotional distress Tiffany Hawkins sues R Kelly for the "personal injuries and emotional distress" she suffered during a three-year relationship with the star. In court documents, she said she began having sex with Kelly in 1991, when she was 15 and he was 24, and the relationship ended three years later, when she turned 18. According to the Chicago Sun Times, Hawkins sought $10 million in damages, but accepted a fraction of that amount ($250,000) when the case was settled in 1998. Kelly's spokeswoman said she had "no knowledge" of the accusations. April and May 2002: Two more court cases Kelly is sued for a third time by Patrice Jones, a Chicago woman who claims he impregnated her when she was underage, and that she was forced to have an abortion. A woman named Montina Woods also sued Kelly, alleging that he videotaped them having sex without her knowledge. The recording was allegedly circulated on an R Kelly "sex tape" sold by bootleggers under the title R Kelly Triple-X. The star settled both cases out of court, paying an undisclosed sum in return for a non-disclosure agreement. June 2002: Charged over child ****ography The star is charged with 21 counts of making child ****ography, involving intercourse, oral sex, urination, and other sexual acts. Chicago police accused him of videotaping each of these acts and enticing a minor to participate in them. All of the charges related to one girl, born in September 1984. His arrest stemmed from a video which was sent anonymously to the Chicago Sun Times earlier in the year. They passed it on to police, who verified the authenticity of the tape with help from FBI forensics experts. Kelly, who posted $750,000 bail, immediately denied the charges in an interview with MTV and later pleaded not guilty in court. It took six years for the case to come to trial, during which time Kelly released his wildly successful Trapped In The Closet album; and was nominated for an Image Award by the NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People), prompting widespread criticism. The jury eventually concluded they could not prove that the girl on the tape was a minor, and Kelly was found not guilty on all counts. 2002 - 2004: Arrest prompts further charges Kelly is charged with a further 12 counts of making child ****ography in Florida, where he was arrested at his holiday home. These charges came after police seized a camera during the arrest, which allegedly showed the star having sex with an underage girl. The charges were dropped when a judge agreed with Kelly's defence team that police lacked sufficient evidence to justify a search. http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-40635526 These are the list of accusations before 2013, which none have been proven to be true yet. I'm not saying he wasn't guilty, but since the allegations are not confirmed, no one really knows what happened. 'Innocent until proven guilty' - Gaga has her faults of not taking his long list of allegations into consideration, but since these accusations have not been proven, I don't think the ultimate decision to collaborate with him is her wrongdoing. She has since cut her ties with him after the collaboration too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
artRaver 3,188 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, JR Gg said: None were proven guilty. I have posted receipts. So, I guess it doesn't matter that he illegally married Aaliyah when she was fifteen then? Okay. ✿ cherry blossom girl ✿ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanripley 86,575 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, JR Gg said: None were proven guilty. I have posted receipts. nor was Dr Luke but she stood up against him she can't pick and choose who she works with and who she stands against when they're both not proven guilty maybe a few years down the line she'll probably talk about it but right now when she's in the good place with her reputation, she won't say a peep https://goo.gl/xMgMvJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
babs 5,093 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, derpmonster said: I think it's a very bad choice and she probably knew something but she did not do it to provoke. Having gone through sexual assault herself, she would not. She had talked about her own harrowing experience of rape and how it affected her. Maybe not in the sense that she believed in her heart that he was a rapist but the fact that she's singing "do what you want with my body" with a guy being acussed multiple times of sexual molestation is anything but a coincidence, dear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Gg 12,985 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 1 minute ago, artRaver said: So, I guess it doesn't matter that he illegally married Aaliyah when she was fifteen then? Okay. And I guess all you can see was what I didn't post vs what I did post. Extracting flaws is what the media does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickypie101 1,580 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 28 minutes ago, Edonis said: I don’t think she ever said anything about not believing the accusations against him, just that the media prints things about him that are both true and untrue.... ...Still doesn’t make anything better...and his version is still deleted off of my phone same solo version all the way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanripley 86,575 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, babs said: Maybe not in the sense that she believed in her heart that he was a rapist but the fact that she's singing "do what you want with my body" with a guy being acussed multiple times of sexual molestation is anything but a coincidence, dear. she saw 2017 coming this was a calculated collaboration it was a warning https://goo.gl/xMgMvJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
babs 5,093 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, JR Gg said: None were proven guilty. I have posted receipts. It's a sexual assault case, payola was involved and it happened in the 90's when people were not that woke, did you realistically expect for him to come out guilty of them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitter 14 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 33 minutes ago, JR Gg said: Not really. Gaga doesn't have to apologise for every collaborator who has done something wrong. She wasn't even aware at the time THIS proves my point exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Gg 12,985 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 1 minute ago, babs said: It's a sexual assault case, payola was involved and it happened in the 90's when people were not that woke, did you realistically expect for him to come out guilty of them? I don't expect anything from him But the facts are none were proven guilty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RileyMint 570 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Am I the only one who thinks she chose to work with two well known men accused of sexual harassment/abuse on this track on purpose? It’s so literal if you think of it as a message to all the pervs in Hollywood and how it doesn’t matter what she has had to deal with to get where she is because they will never own her heart/mind... I feel like she did this in the GUY music video too with the cast of Real Housewives (pointing out “celebrities” that really have no talent by clearly having them playing instruments incorrectly)... She’s making bigger statements that go right over the heads of the people she collaborated with. At least I’d like to think that’s what happened... She should definitely address this though because it looks super sketch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 52,868 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, JR Gg said: You know what else lacks significant evidence? Gaga's own sexual assault by the guy who made Paparazzi. Let's not play this when most cases don't get proof, and he's STILL being accused of **** to this day, years later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley 9,518 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I don’t recall her saying that, no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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