Let's discuss Fibromyalgia as a discredited disease.

[JoannesLeftBoot 10]

Is a scheme for doctors to peddle opiods to patients who really dont need them.

[giskardsb 12,565]

42 minutes ago, Swine said:

If only people read a little more carefully, I wouldn't be wasting my time now.

maybe if you didn't start the thread with a negative title and then talk about colleagues "laughing" about Fibro in your OP or putting the word "diagnosis" in quotes you wouldn't have this issue.   If you in fact take Fibro seriously then you utterly failed in communicating that in your OP.  

[MelBee 104]

16 hours ago, GypsyBabe said:

Well my rheumatologist is a "she" for one. 

Laughing at an individuals chronic pain is disgusting. You should learn to stay in your own lane. Or I guess maybe you chose the right profession after all. You're a dentist, right? Interesting. I have Sjögren's syndrome and have seen plenty of you for most of my life. You are a glorified dental hygienist who makes dentures, fills cavities, and sends anything even remotely difficult to a specialist or oral surgeon. 

And yes, science is science. I am actually a scientist that more than likely knows more about the human body, both physically and psychologically, than you. 

girl 🙌🏾 thank you 

Dentist got to dental school for 4 years. They learn about teeth for 4 years 

They don't go to med school for 4 years and then spend 4+ years in residency and fellowship to become a Rheumatologist. 

They don't learn the same thing. 

 

[Katie14 4,828]

45 minutes ago, DisBihh said:

And she herself is discovering that maybe some little tricks do not work, like when she said ice makes the pain worse so she suggests heating pads. Its good that she gives advice on what works for her. I cant wait for her to be ready to talk openly about it and maybe help some people

I'm excited for her to talk in more detail about it as well. Chronic pain disorders are so misunderstood and stigmatized. her voice can really help bring these disorders to light and make them a more top of mind issue like cancer and heart disease. 

[Swine 504]

19 minutes ago, MelBee said:

girl 🙌🏾 thank you 

Dentist got to dental school for 4 years. They learn about teeth for 4 years 

They don't go to med school for 4 years and then spend 4+ years in residency and fellowship to become a Rheumatologist. 

They don't learn the same thing. 

 

Hm, Dentistry takes 5 years. The first 3 are in common with Medical school. I could literally do 2 extra years at University and be called a "doctor"... I really don't know how it is in your home country, but that's not how it works in Europe.

[Whispering 18,865]

39 minutes ago, JoannesLeftBoot said:

Is a scheme for doctors to peddle opiods to patients who really dont need them.

Doctors peddle opioids to everyone for anything in the US. Fibromyalgia isn't an exception or a scape goat here. 

[Swine 504]

23 minutes ago, giskardsb said:

maybe if you didn't start the thread with a negative title and then talk about colleagues "laughing" about Fibro in your OP or putting the word "diagnosis" in quotes you wouldn't have this issue.   If you in fact take Fibro seriously then you utterly failed in communicating that in your OP.  

I didn't fail at stating my opinion in the OP, since that was never the main objective of the thread. The aim of this would be to discuss how fibromyalgia is still discredited in the general medical field

[rpggal 328]

1 hour ago, Swine said:

If you go through my comments, I have yet to give my personal opinion on fibromyalgia. What I have been commenting here is the general image of the disease in the health world.

There's no specialist to treat fibromyalgia. Most of the cases are handled by rheumatologists, and even they have a hard time taking care of it. There's no real treatment for a disease with no proved etiology. The treatment is mostly symptomatic.

There's no stopping point when it comes to areas of intervention. I have recommended some patients to search for help with their doctors to search for the diagnosis of diabetes, HPV or even HIV. I have done diagnosis that ended up sending patients to chemo with terminal cancers, sadly. I have concluded with some of my patients that it could be helpful if they searched for some help in the psychological field. There's no frontier of intervention, everything is correlated. We don't treat just teeth.

Just like any other health professional, everyone has access to scientific P2P research. Of course, then comes experience of those who maybe deal with the condition everyday. But still, the etiology of fibromyalgia is unknown, and so is the treatment. Research is still being done.

I am getting my DDS in June, and it makes me sad to see the posts on here belittling dentists as if we are not doctors as well. We are doctors of the head and neck, and on top of that we are surgeons. MD's are absolutely our peers and patients absolutely do consult with us about medical conditions. They see us twice a year whereas they often go years without seeing a physician. As you said, we are able to diagnose or refer on suspicion of numerous medical conditions. I would hope the general public would have a little more respect for our profession and expertise, but it is what it is I guess. 

[Swine 504]

7 minutes ago, rpggal said:

I am getting my DDS in June, and it makes me sad to see the posts on here belittling dentists as if we are not doctors as well. We are doctors of the head and neck, and on top of that we are surgeons. MD's are absolutely our peers and patients absolutely do consult with us about medical conditions. They see us twice a year whereas they often go years without seeing a physician. As you said, we are able to diagnose or refer on suspicion of numerous medical conditions. I would hope the general public would have a little more respect for our profession and expertise, but it is what it is I guess. 

The amount of misinformation is just sad. I would say we stand in the front line when it comes to the diagnosis of many diseases and not just from the head and neck...

[JoannesLeftBoot 10]

1 hour ago, Whispering said:

Doctors peddle opioids to everyone for anything in the US. Fibromyalgia isn't an exception or a scape goat here. 

 

True. I had tiny piece glass stuck in foot. Doc gave me codones. 

[MelBee 104]

1 hour ago, Swine said:

Hm, Dentistry takes 5 years. The first 3 are in common with Medical school. I could literally do 2 extra years at University and be called a "doctor"... I really don't know how it is in your home country, but that's not how it works in Europe.

Nope not here in the US

You do your bachelors that 4 years

Then you can either go into med school or dental school. Both 4 years but drastically different curriculums.  

Dental school here you don't learn the same as people in med school, possibly a class or two. 

Med school is 4 years + Residency, (additional ave. 4 years)and if you want to specialize more, a fellowship of another additional average 4 years. 

Facts. Not trying to **** on any person's job. But you can't say you know the same as another person thats dedicated 6-10+ years (additionally to med school) on a speciality. 

 

[giskardsb 12,565]

4 hours ago, Swine said:

I didn't fail at stating my opinion in the OP, since that was never the main objective of the thread. The aim of this would be to discuss how fibromyalgia is still discredited in the general medical field

Everything about your original OP gives the impression that you are one of those "discrediting" the disease.   

[rpggal 328]

2 hours ago, MelBee said:

Nope not here in the US

You do your bachelors that 4 years

Then you can either go into med school or dental school. Both 4 years but drastically different curriculums.  

Dental school here you don't learn the same as people in med school, possibly a class or two. 

Med school is 4 years + Residency, (additional ave. 4 years)and if you want to specialize more, a fellowship of another additional average 4 years. 

Facts. Not trying to **** on any person's job. But you can't say you know the same as another person thats dedicated 6-10+ years (additionally to med school) on a speciality. 

 

I'm graduating from a US dental school in June. You absolutely do get the same didactic curriculum as a medical school in terms of human physiology and contagious disease, not just "a class or two." In fact, at my school we take a class with medical school students in our third year where we compare our curriculum, and medical students are often surprised to learn that our curriculum is everything they learn plus more. Depending on what school you go to you can literally be taking the same classes, on the same grading curve, with the medical school students for the first 2 years. A medical residency will not necessarily make someone more knowledgeable about a specific disease than a general dentist, especially if the residency in question has nothing to do with that disease. On the other hand, if a dentist is practicing hospital dentistry (as the OP is), they are just as familiar with the treatment of diseases at their hospital as an MD in that hospital, as they are responsible for the same patient pool and are legally as liable for managing a patient with that disease as the MD is. A DDS is a doctor, and is held to the same standard of managing patients with complex disease as an MD is.

[Swine 504]

5 hours ago, MelBee said:

Nope not here in the US

You do your bachelors that 4 years

Then you can either go into med school or dental school. Both 4 years but drastically different curriculums.  

Dental school here you don't learn the same as people in med school, possibly a class or two. 

Med school is 4 years + Residency, (additional ave. 4 years)and if you want to specialize more, a fellowship of another additional average 4 years. 

Facts. Not trying to **** on any person's job. But you can't say you know the same as another person thats dedicated 6-10+ years (additionally to med school) on a speciality. 

 

Then I'm sorry for the dentists in the US. That's not how it works in Europe. We get a basic medical education in our first 3 years.

[Swine 504]

2 hours ago, rpggal said:

I'm graduating from a US dental school in June. You absolutely do get the same didactic curriculum as a medical school in terms of human physiology and contagious disease, not just "a class or two." In fact, at my school we take a class with medical school students in our third year where we compare our curriculum, and medical students are often surprised to learn that our curriculum is everything they learn plus more. Depending on what school you go to you can literally be taking the same classes, on the same grading curve, with the medical school students for the first 2 years. A medical residency will not necessarily make someone more knowledgeable about a specific disease than a general dentist, especially if the residency in question has nothing to do with that disease. On the other hand, if a dentist is practicing hospital dentistry (as the OP is), they are just as familiar with the treatment of diseases at their hospital as an MD in that hospital, as they are responsible for the same patient pool and are legally as liable for managing a patient with that disease as the MD is. A DDS is a doctor, and is held to the same standard of managing patients with complex disease as an MD is.

Thank you for making it clear.