Doncho 27,241 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, ryanripley said: trashing gaga's work isn't being realistic Well some of Gaga s work is trash like the first 2 Joanne videos lol. I LOVE Gaga but sometimes she tries to do ALL by herself and its not always good. Having a little help from professionals is great once in a while Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
codymonster 8,595 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Swine said: The You and I video was shot by I&V, also her friends. While I appreciate their own work, and I understand that Gaga likes to work with them, they should NEVER be video director for her - the result was a plot mess, bad shots and overall boring video. Let's not even talk about MTN. The video mess continued with Applause, also shot by I&V. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanripley 86,575 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Doncho said: Well some of Gaga s work is trash like the first 2 Joanne videos lol. I LOVE Gaga but sometimes she tries to do ALL by herself and its not always great. Having a little help from professionals is great once in a while again, that's not being realistic. that's just negative, rude and also an opinion @bumblebee did it perfectly by actually discussing facts and potential situations instead of name calling and acting like their opinions are the only opinions https://goo.gl/xMgMvJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doncho 27,241 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, ryanripley said: again, that's not being realistic. that's just negative, rude and also an opinion @bumblebee did it perfectly by actually discussing facts and potential situations instead of name calling and acting like their opinions are the only opinions Well thats right, its an opinion. However, you can compare PI or MR to her previous videos and you can tell they are... kinda lazy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doot 2 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 While I don’t agree with everything you said, I think Fame has burnt her out. Creatively, I do think that the material and visuals she puts out is far better when she has a good team behind her. ARTPOP was alright, but as that continued, going into Joanne, everything did start to get a little lackluster. I blame that on the fact that instead of looking for ultra creative, forward thinking individuals, she continues to use her friends over and over because she wants to give them a platform. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabuIesque 1,065 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 don't you dare say ARTPOP was a mess it's been through enough and had hidden gems like swine (yes i'm still in denial of ARTPOP era being a mess, **** her management) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee 2,528 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 18 minutes ago, ryanripley said: this is probably the best and most unbiased point of view on this topic and is probably what the OP tried to say but allowed their thoughts of joanne being boring to spill out, causing negative reactions 10/10 gif use, grammy award for best ggd comment of the year OMG Thank you I'm so humbled! I want to thank @ryanripley for believing in me, and I also want to thank @PunkTheFunk for inspiring me I also want to thank @Craig Barnes @dannydevito @Talent @Andrew Warhola for making GGD experince so much fun. You're gone but not forgotten we love you and remember you! I've been making ggd comments since I was 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanripley 86,575 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, Doncho said: Well thats right, its an opinion. However, you can compare PI or MR to her previous videos and you can tell they are... kinda lazy i'll let you have MR because the camera work really comes off as amateurish but i loved PI it suits the song perfectly and so does the very subtle story, plus the entire joanne aesthetic is way more relaxed than her previous eras i think everyone can agree on the point that her peak truly was TF/TFM and she'll have a really hard time trying to top that. i think it's best she never works with the mindset of needing to out-do herself era after era, video after video because it can poisonous to her as an artist. she totally hyped ARTPOP as her "best work yet" with a "bad romance 2.0" etc but it all ended up falling flat instead of thinking of PI as lazy, think of it as toned down for a reason. if you expected anything like her work from TF to BTW once the song came out and looking at her fashion for the single era, you sort of played yourself. if it was anything like her peak work, it would have looked ridiculous and so OTT and would stick out like a sore thumb all in all: no, PI is not a masterpiece and nor is MR, but they are very successful at fitting in with Joanne and its aesthetic. PI is a good quality video, it probably could have been better but it's the organic art gaga wanted to create instead of trying to force herself to make her magnum opus https://goo.gl/xMgMvJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fame IV 4,426 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Applause / Marry the Night videos are boring. If you have this opinion, I don't care about anything else you're going to say. A Star is Born ⭐ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fame IV 4,426 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 27 minutes ago, Doncho said: Well some of Gaga s work is trash like the first 2 Joanne videos lol. I LOVE Gaga but sometimes she tries to do ALL by herself and its not always good. Having a little help from professionals is great once in a while Ruth Hogben is a professional who was also in charge of the Halftime Show. It's easy, however, to dismiss people merit and hard work. PI and MR videos are supposed to translate Gaga's views on that matter. A Star is Born ⭐ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fame IV 4,426 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 hours ago, ryanripley said: well that kind of makes sense since her next big project isn't an album, it's a documentary that goes very deep and rawly into her personal life Exacly. Any fan who wants Gaga to hide again her feelings and emotions should think again. A Star is Born ⭐ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swine 504 Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, Fame IV said: Exacly. Any fan who wants Gaga to hide again her feelings and emotions should think again. No one wants her to hide her feelings, just to use professionals who can help her express those feelings in a better, more polished way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ada 1,665 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 While I'm against almost all the stuff you just said, I do find pretty strange that Gaga just doesn't care about the commercial success. Don't take me wrong, it has nothing to do with her numbers on the charts or the amount of views or whatever, it's rather related to her impact. If you wanna make a real change, you need to have a big audience. Again, I'm not criticizing her choices, I just find it strange. But then again she has a strong fanbase (and not that small), and her previous success still makes the media and random people check on her, but idk for how long (I mean as an artist and not a celebrity, like you've said). It may all come down to her illness and inability to maintain a proper work routine. If that's the case, I have nothing to say about it. I'd rather learn that she retired from the industry than have to face some horrible news. And I really think this must be the thing that's holding her back. It wouldn' make sense otherwise. PS: How can you say that about MTN? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUKKIE 457 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Too harsh but no lie detectrd. The thingist that Gaga wants totake control but that doesnt mea she has to hvABSOLUTE control . That is not working out. She becomes too passionate and this clouds objectivity when you arethe artist. U need an objective eye. She needs to take control butin a more collaborative effort Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doncho 27,241 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, ryanripley said: i'll let you have MR because the camera work really comes off as amateurish but i loved PI it suits the song perfectly and so does the very subtle story, plus the entire joanne aesthetic is way more relaxed than her previous eras i think everyone can agree on the point that her peak truly was TF/TFM and she'll have a really hard time trying to top that. i think it's best she never works with the mindset of needing to out-do herself era after era, video after video because it can poisonous to her as an artist. she totally hyped ARTPOP as her "best work yet" with a "bad romance 2.0" etc but it all ended up falling flat instead of thinking of PI as lazy, think of it as toned down for a reason. if you expected anything like her work from TF to BTW once the song came out and looking at her fashion for the single era, you sort of played yourself. if it was anything like her peak work, it would have looked ridiculous and so OTT and would stick out like a sore thumb all in all: no, PI is not a masterpiece and nor is MR, but they are very successful at fitting in with Joanne and its aesthetic. PI is a good quality video, it probably could have been better but it's the organic art gaga wanted to create instead of trying to force herself to make her magnum opus I kinda agree on all except this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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