Taylor Swift Sexual Assault Trial + New Revalations

[SISTERV 3,887]

6 minutes ago, CrazyMonster said:

Nothing excuses sexual harassment, he could have been her boyfriend and he wouldn't even have to touch her body without her consent.

Cool, no one cares about what you think. That's because of some people like you that so many victims don't speak up because people like you always tell them I don't believe you, you asked for it and etc.

And it's people like you that believe anything you hear that allows over 10,000 people go to jail for something they didn't do. Then they go to jail and ACTUALLY get raped. 

 

[Gardevoir 9,873]

2 minutes ago, Jed said:

Could you sound any more insensitive?

 

if this was insensitive for you, then I don't know. What was insensitive about that. 

[dit 46,516]

I am shocked that im actually reading these replies. Guys please think before you type. This is really simple. A stranger (male) lifted her skirt and grabbed her ass. He then sued her when she spoke up about it. So she countersued. Its simple. Of course the case is yet to come but if what happened is true then she is 100% in the right no matter how you try and spin it.

[KleinGa 18,177]

4 minutes ago, Albertodift said:

I am shocked that im actually reading these replies. Guys please think before you type. This is really simple. A stranger (male) lifted her skirt and grabbed her ass. He then sued her when she spoke up about it. So she countersued. Its simple. Of course the case is yet to come but if what happened is true then she is 100% in the right no matter how you try and spin it.

thank you! Some people are so toxic and disgusting. It's no wonder rape culture continues to thrive, it's people like this that feeds it. smh 

[SISTERV 3,887]

2 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I really hope she wins this. I may not like her or her music but stuff like this unites all women and unites us all as people. No one should have to endure being touched without their consent. Women are socialised to be quiet about this stuff so when a big name wants to send the message that it's not acceptable, it might help more women speak up. Only good things can come from this even if it had such a bad beginning.

I know you ultimately mean well but I really think you underestimate this problem. The statistics on this kind of behaviour against women would shock you. For some women, it leaves them feel shaken, dirty, frightened. For some of them, it reminds them of sexual abuse, for others, it's another low point in their already bad day. Some women have had to deal with a lifetime of being groped to the point where they think it's normal. That's the most dangerous thing. We become socialised into thinking it's ok to be touched without your consent. It doesn't matter if he's only done it once - chances are, if he's so cavalier about it, he's done it to other women too. If he's only done it once to each woman, by your logic, he shouldn't be tried even though he's a serial offender. And it doesn't matter how well you know the person. Unsolicited touching is not ok and you have to nip it in the bud before it happens again or it happens to others. We should be putting these people in trial. If we take it that far, they might stop doing it. In the UK, sexual assault (groping included) can result in a maximum ten year jail term. Yet, so many women don't feel like it's worth it to report or they won't be taken seriously.

What? So no victim of any crime should report someone because the whole thing might be traumatic? What kind of logic is that? Justice shouldn't be served because it might cause the delicate little flower victim some emotional distress? If that was the case, we wouldn't be able to leave our homes for the numbers of criminals going about. Feelings don't matter when it comes to stuff like this. Justice must be served at any means necessary.

I'm so sorry to hear that you've gone through that but please understand that any kind of sexual assault is a crime and getting away with the small offences is what makes the perpetrators think they can move on to the more serious assaults. And they do, often. As a rape victim yourself, you should be supporting anyone who's gone through any kind of sexual trauma, big or small and shouldn't be doubting their story. Like you endured, being told to shut up about it is the perpetrator's ultimate weapon. We can't make them stronger by remaining silent.

We don't know if Taylor will even win. As you said, a lot of real victims get ignored. I know you don't like Taylor and I'm normally right here for your critiques but I think to say she's lying about sexual assault to make money without any evidence for it is a sign that you're just taking this a bit far now. At the end of the day, I support any woman in her quest for justice from any man who's done her wrong.

As a rape victim of years who survived it, I'm honestly telling you that I don't support every claim of sexual assault because you are wrong. It doesn't help actual victims of near death or seriously traumatic assault when someone complains about an ass grope. It makes people not take rape seriously because people are wining about everything and then prosecutors attack even real victims because they have seen people lie about it. 

Do you know how awful it was for me to have to go through a line of questioning about my rape because so many people falsely make up rape allegations? Do you know what it's like to be a kid and getting a rape kit done on you and then an officer comes in to see if you're really being honest because someone a few hospital rooms down is making their rape up. 

Taylor complaining about an ass grope makes it more difficult for the real victims to get help and be taken as serious because they all get thrown in the same bucket. 

It pisses me off. 

Especially considering the fact Taylor could be lying. An ASS grope? 

If she wins, she better donate the money to rape survivors. She BETTER.

[Andrea B 16,755]

7 minutes ago, SISTERV said:

And it's people like you that believe anything you hear that allows over 10,000 people go to jail for something they didn't do. Then they go to jail and ACTUALLY get raped. 

 

 

you're reaching again.... I'm over this now. you're a survivor, you should try to be more sensitive and understanding, I get your point but stop. I really hope you're okay now, sorry for saying that ''you're disgusting'' and btw you don't have any evidence that Taylor is lying so I don't why you're saying all of this... and of course we don't have any evidence that the man grabbed her *** I think we all should stop replying.

Taylor is one of the most charitable artists in the industry(its a fact), she will donate money to people in need anyway and I bet she will donate that money if she wins, she's already rich and humble.

[Jed 7,716]

17 minutes ago, Emigrante said:

if this was insensitive for you, then I don't know. What was insensitive about that. 

It was a very callous and cold way to put things. is that how you'd reply if someone close to you was a victim of sexual assault

[KleinGa 18,177]

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[StrawberryBlond 14,900]

20 minutes ago, SISTERV said:

Clearly the man brought a lawsuit against her because she was lying on him. The case WREAKS of it. Yes....sometimes people make up being raped. Anyone who has ACTUALLY dealt with this knows the perpetrator always wants things to stay quiet. Why would he blow it up and bring mass attention to it himself if he knew he was guilty, especially in this social climate?

There's no "clearly" about it. The perpetrator, especially if they're known of in the entertainment industry, like this DJ is, tend to plead innocence even when they're not. They have the money to hire the best lawyers. And they know there's a big chance they'll get away with it because the majority of sexual assault cases either don't make it or court, the victim loses or the perpetrator gets a pathetic sentence. I read a really depressing list of trials where a rapist got a couple of months in jail despite being found guilty of rape or statutory rape with an underrage girl because "she acted older than she appeared and was egging you on." This is our court system now. They're essentially letting grown men who know they've done wrong get away with a slap on the wrist because he's not doing what any other man wouldn't do. No wonder so many men think they can get off scot-free despite being guilty. The courts are more likely to see things in their favour than the victim's.

4 minutes ago, SISTERV said:

As a rape victim of years who survived it, I'm honestly telling you that I don't support every claim of sexual assault because you are wrong. It doesn't help actual victims of near death or seriously traumatic assault when someone complains about an ass grope. It makes people not take rape seriously because people are wining about everything and then prosecutors attack even real victims because they have seen people lie about it. 

Do you know how awful it was for me to have to go through a line of questioning about my rape because so many people falsely make up rape allegations? Do you know what it's like to be a kid and getting a rape kit done on you and then an officer comes in to see if you're really being honest because someone a few hospital rooms down is making their rape up. 

Taylor complaining about an ass grope makes it more difficult for the real victims to get help and be taken as serious because they all get thrown in the same bucket. 

It pisses me off. 

Especially considering the fact Taylor could be lying. An ASS grope? 

If she wins, she better donate the money to rape survivors. She BETTER.

Surely not reporting any and all instances of sexual assault you endure will only make it more likely for men to keep on thinking they can do it? To you and others? In my country, there's a maximum ten year jail penalty for instances of sexual assault. If more men get tried for this and found guilty, people will start taking it seriously. Obviously, ass groping and rape are dealt with differently, you are no way being put into the same category. If anything, it's only full-on rape that I see anyone taking seriously but anything less than that is seen as a case of "let it go, get over it."

I think going through your awful experience has made you internalise some things, so I hope you're getting emotional support. I've been gentle with you because you've clearly been really affected by this and I don't want to make your pain worse. But understand that I've heard sexual assault apologists say exactly some of the same stuff that you have said. That should tell you that your opinion has been somewhat tainted by your experience and has led to some level of hostility to anyone who hasn't gone through things to the extent you have. Surely you'd agree that a potential future rapist could be stopped if someone would lay down the law to them about how wrong it is to grab people's asses? It's like taking serious action on any children who have tortured or killed animals because it's a known fact that such children can grow up to become serial killers and they need to be rehabilitated before their mind becomes warped any further. I think exactly the same line should be taken with anyone who thinks it's remotely ok to touch someone without their consent. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. And then we won't be able to stop them in future. Their mindset will be too far gone. Get them while they're still in the early stages of their criminal sexual behaviour and we can maybe stop them becoming worse in the future.

[Gardevoir 9,873]

8 minutes ago, Jed said:

It was a very callous and cold way to put things. is that how you'd reply if someone close to you was a victim of sexual assault

I would abstain with judgement unless you can hear me and my tone in real conversation. It is the internet. 

[KleinGa 18,177]

3 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Surely not reporting any and all instances of sexual assault you endure will only make it more likely for men to keep on thinking they can do it? To you and others? In my country, there's a maximum ten year jail penalty for instances of sexual assault. If more men get tried for this and found guilty, people will start taking it seriously. Obviously, ass groping and rape are dealt with differently, you are no way being put into the same category. If anything, it's only full-on rape that I see anyone taking seriously but anything less than that is seen as a case of "let it go, get over it."

I think going through your awful experience has made you internalise some things, so I hope you're getting emotional support. I've been gentle with you because you've clearly been really affected by this and I don't want to make your pain worse. But understand that I've heard sexual assault apologists say exactly some of the same stuff that you have said. That should tell you that your opinion has been somewhat tainted by your experience and has led to some level of hostility to anyone who hasn't gone through things to the extent you have. Surely you'd agree that a potential future rapist could be stopped if someone would lay down the law to them about how wrong it is to grab people's asses? It's like taking serious action on any children who have tortured or killed animals because it's a known fact that such children can grow up to become serial killers and they need to be rehabilitated before their mind becomes warped any further. I think exactly the same line should be taken with anyone who thinks it's remotely ok to touch someone without their consent. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. And then we won't be able to stop them in future. Their mindset will be too far gone. Get them while they're still in the early stages of their criminal sexual behaviour and we can maybe stop them becoming worse in the future.

Thank you for saying this.

@SISTERV I hope you take this into consideration. 

[KleinGa 18,177]

Just now, Emigrante said:

I would abstain with judgement unless you can hear me and my tone in real conversation. It is the internet. 

I think they (like me at first) misinterpreted the "too" as to mean "though". I read your statement 3 times before making a judgement on your tone/ intentions. No harm no foul. 

[ryanripley 86,575]

oh wow, some of these replies  

did you pay any attention to the TIHTY era and the message it sent? if taylor feels she has been sexually assaulted then she has every right to take legal action. if there's nothing to prove then there's nothing to prove, simple as.

pitting your own experiences against other experiences is not helpful either. yes, you've been through hell and i'm sorry you did, but don't you dare use that to discredit any of victims on any level of sexual abuse or violence   

[Haroon 49,685]

25 minutes ago, SISTERV said:

Taylor complaining about an ass grope makes it more difficult for the real victims to get help and be taken as serious because they all get thrown in the same bucket. 

It pisses me off. 

Especially considering the fact Taylor could be lying. An ASS grope? 

If she wins, she better donate the money to rape survivors. She BETTER.

"real victims", having your ass groped doesn't mean that you aren't a victim  Just because something isn't rape that doesn't mean it's not worthy of any action being taken

[ryanripley 86,575]

3 minutes ago, Haroon said:

"real victims", having your ass groped doesn't mean that you aren't a victim  Just because something isn't rape that doesn't mean it's not worthy of any action being taken

yas haroon, you're doing amazing sweetie