Norway to ban burqas in schools & universities

[River 127,333]

3 minutes ago, GypsyBabe said:

I do not believe that faces should be covered in public places, but when governments remove religious freedoms, then there is a problem. This will only breed hatred and add fuel to the fire with regards to the unrest that occurs between the west and muslims who wear these garments. This will also not decrease violence. You only increase violence when you make a group of people feel like the "other." 

So it's like holding us as hostages and putting a gun to our heads... so where is our freedom to created laws that makes the public area as safe and on order as possible?

religion freedom must have it's limits too by law and we shouldn't be afraid to make those limits, religious freedom is not above all the freedoms..

[Mary Jane Wayne 1,997]

1 hour ago, Whispering said:

Why would a kindergartner wear a burqa anyhow? 

LOL. They wear it 

[Mary Jane Wayne 1,997]

Why can't Sweden do the same? 

[GypsyBabe 22,836]

1 minute ago, River said:

So it's like holding us as hostages and putting a gun to our heads... so where is our freedom to created laws that makes the public area as safe and on order as possible?

religion freedom must have it's limits too by law and we shouldn't be afraid to make those limits, religious freedom is not above all the freedoms..

In your previous post, you equated the burqa with ski masks, an item with no significant or cultural symbolism or value. Your comparison I believe had to do with the fact that ski masks in a public setting can be seen as criminal. So are all muslims who wear burqa's criminals? 

The real question in this thread is whether or not these are being banned because people are afraid and feel uncomfortable seeing muslims in a highly populated public setting wearing coverings. Say it like it is. This is not for the benefit of muslim women who wear burqas. Violence within their own communities statistically doubles when they do not wear them. 

So what is more important? Your fear of violence? Or the inevitable violence that these women may endure. 

This a a question that needs to be discussed before things are just "banned." 

 

[GypsyBabe 22,836]

13 minutes ago, Simon said:

So government also shouldn't ban honor killings? 

There is a very big difference between murder and a burqa. Things are not black and white. 

I'm playing both sides here. Let me reiterate, I am not necessarily against the banning. I just think that discussions need to occur. 

[Melech 9,900]

1 minute ago, GypsyBabe said:

There is a very big difference between murder and a burqa. Things are not black and white. 

I'm playing both sides here. Let me reiterate, I am not necessarily against the banning. I just think that discussions need to occur. 

Well you used the religious freedom argument. Banning murder is restricting the freedom of religion. 

[GypsyBabe 22,836]

30 minutes ago, Simon said:

Well you used the religious freedom argument. Banning murder is restricting the freedom of religion. 

Things are not black and white. Religious freedom is not an excuse to murder, nor is it a means to pardon religious radicals. But removing religious or cultural symbols can be a problem in destabilizing a social structure.

I will state again, the question that needs to be answered is whether or not this ban is out of fear. Are these being banned for a beneficial reason, or because people who are not Muslim feel uncomfortable. 

[Born To Slay 10,996]

1 hour ago, Erotica said:

You don't always have the right to wear whatever you want. I mean, most work places have dress codes and the same goes with schools sort of.
In most schools you can wear whatever you want, however hats and other headwear aren't usually allowed when you're inside.

Usually the dress code makes exceptions for religious stuff and there's a reason for that

[River 127,333]

3 minutes ago, GypsyBabe said:

In your previous post, you equated the burqa with ski masks, an item with no significant or cultural symbolism or value. Your comparison I believe had to do with the fact that ski masks in a public setting can be seen as criminal. So are all muslims who wear burqa's criminals? 

The real question in this thread is whether or not these are being banned because people are afraid and feel uncomfortable seeing muslims in a highly populated public setting wearing coverings. Say it like it is. This is not for the benefit of muslim women who wear burqas. Violence within their own communities statistically doubles when they do not wear them. 

So what is more important? Your fear of violence? Or the inevitable violence that these women may endure. 

This a a question that needs to be discussed before things are just "banned." 

 

I'm not going to answer that offending question.

That's the point, they are allowed to wear it on the street and their house, but when they enter a public place, take it off, just like every single item that covers your face.

Freedom has it limitation, what can we do, it's my freedom to walk naked on the street, but it can disturb others, so I must wear clothes.

What you are saying is correct sure, but that means that those men has no place in society...

The right solution is to educate them about face covering and why it's not ok to wear them in public places along with a ban.

 

[Lion Heart 15,041]

Good

[GypsyBabe 22,836]

5 minutes ago, River said:

I'm not going to answer that offending question.

That's the point, they are allowed to wear it on the street and their house, but when they enter a public place, take it off, just like every single item that covers your face.

Freedom has it limitation, what can we do, it's my freedom to walk naked on the street, but it can disturb others, so I must wear clothes.

What you are saying is correct sure, but that means that those men has no place in society...

The right solution is to educate them about face covering and why it's not ok to wear them in public places along with a ban.

 

Whether or not that is what you intended, it what I derived from your comments regarding ski masks and helmets. You should have understood that would be the analysis when you typed it out. 

I agree with your last statement 100% 

Education is always key, which is why I believe that the sudden "banning" of an item of significance is inappropriate. 

I think that covering faces in a public setting should not be allowed, however, I think that it needs to be discussed further. Fear is a big problem in the west, and we need to be careful to not allow it to rule our lives and destabilize our values. 

Also, I appreciate our differing views and discussion.  

[XXXXX 4,775]

How do Muslims not get lost in the public if they can't see each others' faces? 

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2 hours ago, Born To Slay said:

No, ISIS is a dangerous organization that kills people. Just being a Muslim doesn't mean you live by that. 

And being naked is far different from a burqa, the former is actually unsanitary. We don't want naked asses sitting in desks. Meanwhile a burqa isn't. I know they want kids to show their faces but honestly, are there enough muslims wearing burqas in Norway that you wouldn't know who did something in school based on the fact they had a burqa? Considering the Muslims only make up 2.4 percen, I doubt it.

Burqa is cultural not religious.  There is no religious request to don the burqa and no evidence in the Koran to support the wearing of the garment.

[Gagafy 296]

I honestly do not feel safe if there are a bunch of face covering ladies or men wearing masks in a classroom with me. Generally a good move.

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1 hour ago, GypsyBabe said:

I do not believe that faces should be covered in public places, but when governments remove religious freedoms, then there is a problem. This will only breed hatred and add fuel to the fire with regards to the unrest that occurs between the west and muslims who wear these garments. This will also not decrease violence. You only increase violence when you make a group of people feel like the "other." 

Muslims who wear these garments are extremists, the moderate muslims don't. They were a hijab.