AIex 3,102 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Let's all acknowledge the elephant in the room and stop denying it Taylor puts out **** music, and Ariana has been putting out much better for years. Talent lost when it came to 1989's numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIex 3,102 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Also 15 hours ago, Lanius said: If you're fave doesn't have a Grammy or a number 1 don't @ me No one you've been "reading" this entire thread has directly @'d you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 17 hours ago, Radio Pop said: Ariana: *licks donut* Ariana: career still recovering from incident Taylor: Rude to her apparent "united females in the music industry," fake feminist, etc Also Taylor: career still on top Dangerous Women was pretty successful tho. 3 top 15 hits (2 of which going top 10) and one of the most streamed albums of all time on Spotify (its about to pass 2 billion streams). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanius 1,055 Posted July 5, 2017 Author Share Posted July 5, 2017 21 minutes ago, AIex said: Let's all acknowledge the elephant in the room and stop denying it Taylor puts out **** music, and Ariana has been putting out much better for years. Talent lost when it came to 1989's numbers. If Ariana music is so great why is she not winning Grammy's or significant awards outside of Teen choice awards? Also, 1989 and Dangerous Donut had the same metacritic scores despite Taylor have wayyyyy more reviews. Also, 1989 made way more year end list for best album than Donut Woman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIex 3,102 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Just now, Lanius said: If Ariana music is so great why is she not winning Grammy's or significant awards outside of Teen choice awards? Also, 1989 and Dangerous Donut had the same metacritic scores despite Taylor have wayyyyy more reviews. Also, 1989 made way more year end list for best album than Donut Woman. The GP has bad taste, and this was even proven by Joanne charting longer than ARTPOP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,908 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 This just shows how being #1 is more important to her than the music. Every album she releases must be the biggest release of the year. She's that egotistical. She just pretends to be all about the music to make herself relatable and get praise. Why professional critics can't see through her is beyond me. 23 hours ago, Lanius said: If Ariana music is so great why is she not winning Grammy's or significant awards outside of Teen choice awards? Also, 1989 and Dangerous Donut had the same metacritic scores despite Taylor have wayyyyy more reviews. Also, 1989 made way more year end list for best album than Donut Woman. How old are you? Only the young and naive seriously think that awards signify beyond doubt any kind of musical quality. Have you ever heard of talent being robbed (I'm sure you thought the same when Taylor failed to win AOTY other years, right)? Are you aware that some celebrities won't even turn up to a ceremony unless they know for sure that they're winning something (Kanye exposed Beyonce for this last year)? Did you know that some ceremonies won't even give you your rightly-won award if you don't show up, instead giving it to the second place finisher (The People's Choice Awards are the worst for that)? The awards industry is shady. A lot of them make their nominations based on who's sold the most as opposed to who has the better album. There have been cases where buying awards has been highly suspected. Prince even alleged that Gaga bought her Woman Of The Year title from Billboard. I have suspected for the longest time that Taylor pays for good reviews, radio play and positive press. It's like you're not even aware of how many albums by indie artists there are out there that get critically acclaimed but don't get nominated for any big awards because these industries only want the big names nominated to get people tuning in and taking their ceremony seriously. The fact that you don't want anyone @'ing you unless their fave has any big awards tells me all I need to know about how you judge artistic integrity and I only hope you grow out of this snobbery. Too many Taylor fans are like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alestevens 118 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 4 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said: This just shows how being #1 is more important to her than the music. Every album she releases must be the biggest release of the year. She's that egotistical. She just pretends to be all about the music to make herself relatable and get praise. Why professional critics can't see through her is beyond me. You're acting like Taylor pulled an "i write for the music not the charts" or something. Taylor made it pretty clear, several times actually, that she likes to work as hard as possible to get all the success she can. And all pop singers want their albums to be eventful, unless you think any of our faves release music hoping it'd go unnoticed. By the way, it was her label who was concerned, not Taylor herself. Quoting a Billboard interview: "Taylor Swift never doubted that her fifth album, 1989, would sell 1 million copies in its first week. But others were not so confident. "Everyone, in and out of the music business, kept telling me that my opinion and my viewpoint was naive and overly optimistic -- even my own label," says Swift, recalling the run-up to 1989's October release in the vast living room of her penthouse loft in downtown Manhattan. "But when we got those first-day numbers in, all of a sudden, I didn't look so naive anymore."" http://www.billboard.com/articles/events/women-in-music-2014/6363514/billboard-woman-of-the-year-taylor-swift-on-writing-her Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katsuki Bakugo 9,788 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 This is what is wrong with the music industry- some old guy is controlling your every move and telling you when to release your music... If All You Ever Do Is Look Down On People, You Won't Be Able To Recognize Your Own Weaknesses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,908 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 43 minutes ago, alestevens said: You're acting like Taylor pulled an "i write for the music not the charts" or something. Taylor made it pretty clear, several times actually, that she likes to work as hard as possible to get all the success she can. And all pop singers want their albums to be eventful, unless you think any of our faves release music hoping it'd go unnoticed. By the way, it was her label who was concerned, not Taylor herself. Quoting a Billboard interview: "Taylor Swift never doubted that her fifth album, 1989, would sell 1 million copies in its first week. But others were not so confident. "Everyone, in and out of the music business, kept telling me that my opinion and my viewpoint was naive and overly optimistic -- even my own label," says Swift, recalling the run-up to 1989's October release in the vast living room of her penthouse loft in downtown Manhattan. "But when we got those first-day numbers in, all of a sudden, I didn't look so naive anymore."" http://www.billboard.com/articles/events/women-in-music-2014/6363514/billboard-woman-of-the-year-taylor-swift-on-writing-her She's always taken a "my music comes from the heart" stance. Her early country image with acoustic guitar, writing heartbreak songs all by herself was testament to that. In amongst her poppy tunes, there's songs like that on every album. All to help people to see that she's a delicate little flower who wants to be loved and keeps falling for the wrong guy. Songs not for the charts. But then she releases a super generic pop song that sounds like it was written by a completely different artist and you wonder what's going on. I can't fathom how, for example, Shake It Off and This Love are on the same album. She can't decide who she wants to be - the pop princess or the acoustic indie artist, so she tries to have the best of both worlds, to ensure maximum sales. It's like she's only maintaining some element of her old style to keep her longtime fans, so that no one can say that she's truly sold out. But it just makes her artistic intentions all the more problematic. It's not like artists want their work to go unnoticed but to go to #1 isn't necessary to have a hit or to be relevant. A true artist won't care about the numbers. Remember Taylor said she cried after Red failed to win AOTY because through losing, it implied to her that this wasn't her best work? See, measuring your work according to how many Grammys its won isn't artistic integrity. That's being a spoiled brat who favours materialism and is used to always being the best. The fact she expected her album to debut with 1 million only enriches my point as opposed to debunking it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1trus 4,341 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 On 7/5/2017 at 9:03 AM, AIex said: The GP has bad taste, and this was even proven by Joanne charting longer than ARTPOP So GP has bad taste when Gaga won Grammys before? So Joanne tastes bad? ι'м ρυℓℓιηg үσυя sтяιηgs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alestevens 118 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: She's always taken a "my music comes from the heart" stance. Her early country image with acoustic guitar, writing heartbreak songs all by herself was testament to that. In amongst her poppy tunes, there's songs like that on every album. All to help people to see that she's a delicate little flower who wants to be loved and keeps falling for the wrong guy. Songs not for the charts. But then she releases a super generic pop song that sounds like it was written by a completely different artist and you wonder what's going on. I can't fathom how, for example, Shake It Off and This Love are on the same album. She can't decide who she wants to be - the pop princess or the acoustic indie artist, so she tries to have the best of both worlds, to ensure maximum sales. It's like she's only maintaining some element of her old style to keep her longtime fans, so that no one can say that she's truly sold out. But it just makes her artistic intentions all the more problematic. It's not like artists want their work to go unnoticed but to go to #1 isn't necessary to have a hit or to be relevant. A true artist won't care about the numbers. Remember Taylor said she cried after Red failed to win AOTY because through losing, it implied to her that this wasn't her best work? See, measuring your work according to how many Grammys its won isn't artistic integrity. That's being a spoiled brat who favours materialism and is used to always being the best. The fact she expected her album to debut with 1 million only enriches my point as opposed to debunking it. So because her album doesn't have 15 other tracks that sound exactly like the lead single suddenly her "artistic intentions are problematic" (whatever that means lmao). She actually acknowledged she was trying to chase two rabbits with Red and meant that as a weakness for the album, and unlike many other popstars, she just went ahead and called 1989 a Pop Album. In fact she made it very clear it was a pop album everytime she could, nothing ambiguous here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,908 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, alestevens said: So because her album doesn't have 15 other tracks that sound exactly like the lead single suddenly her "artistic intentions are problematic" (whatever that means lmao). She actually acknowledged she was trying to chase two rabbits with Red and meant that as a weakness for the album, and unlike many other popstars, she just went ahead and called 1989 a Pop Album. In fact she made it very clear it was a pop album everytime she could, nothing ambiguous here! It's all well and good to have an album composed of all different sounds but a clear 50/50 split is really weird and shows you up as being in two minds but not strong enough to follow through on either one. That's funny that she said that about Red because 1989 suffers the exact same problem of not deciding what it truly wants to be. She put 2 more obvious poppy tracks on the deluxe into the bargain, instead of putting the acoustic tracks there, to ensure the album was more cohesive. Yes, she went and called 1989 a pop album despite trying to claim she wasn't pop in all the albums before that when she was. Hardly makes up for all that. And most popstars do call their album pop, otherwise we wouldn't call them popstars! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alestevens 118 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: It's all well and good to have an album composed of all different sounds but a clear 50/50 split is really weird and shows you up as being in two minds but not strong enough to follow through on either one. That's funny that she said that about Red because 1989 suffers the exact same problem of not deciding what it truly wants to be. She put 2 more obvious poppy tracks on the deluxe into the bargain, instead of putting the acoustic tracks there, to ensure the album was more cohesive. Yes, she went and called 1989 a pop album despite trying to claim she wasn't pop in all the albums before that when she was. Hardly makes up for all that. And most popstars do call their album pop, otherwise we wouldn't call them popstars! What acoustic tracks are you talking about? This Love is the closest thing to acoustic on the entire standard edition and even then it's hardly acoustic, it has a very poppy production. By the way, most pop albums have slower songs in them. Pop and slower songs aren't mutually exclusive! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StrawberryBlond 14,908 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 17 minutes ago, alestevens said: What acoustic tracks are you talking about? This Love is the closest thing to acoustic on the entire standard edition and even then it's hardly acoustic, it has a very poppy production. By the way, most pop albums have slower songs in them. Pop and slower songs aren't mutually exclusive! I mean there's a clear split between upbeat poppy Taylor and more acoustic-led Taylor. All You Had To Do Was Stay, I Wish You Would, How You Get The Girl, This Love, I Know Places and Clean sound like songs from her previous albums. Even Wildest Dreams has a touch of that. Hardly a full-on transformation like her fans claim. Not surprising that the most un-Taylor tracks became singles, then, to fool casual listeners into thinking she'd made an entire album like this? And most pop albums don't have this many slow songs on them. Pop is by definition, mostly upbeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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