Male Students Rebellion Against Wearing Trousers On Hot School Days

[Whispering 18,865]

3 minutes ago, honza said:

I've never felt like this is an issue so far in my life  like not just for me, for everyone I know

"It is difficult for many people and it's something that makes them feel less than every minute of the day. You may not care about that, but many children and teens do...and there is an easy solution for all of it."

[estxkid 872]

1 hour ago, RainbowBlonde said:

You Muricans are honestly really lucky

Well, almost all schools in Estonia and Finland doesn't have a strict dress code, you can show up in drag and no one (school admin) would care

[Supersonic 49,376]

IMO, I think the "poorer kids won't be bullied when they have school uniforms" is a bit weak because even with school uniforms and a strict dresscode, the wealthy will continue to flaunt their richness through accessories, custom alterations etc. while poorer kids will be the brunt of the joke for having to wear hand-me-downs that don't fit properly. I've read articles about school uniforms in the UK and within the pupils they had established a hierachy of affluency by the amount of decorative seams & hems in discrete places.

I think it's kinda naive to assume that uniforms just erase the problem of bullying based on wealth altogether.

[honza 2,194]

Just now, Whispering said:

"It is difficult for many people and it's something that makes them feel less than every minute of the day. You may not care about that, but many children and teens do...and there is an easy solution for all of it."

Well what I'm saying is, there's no such thing as formal dress code here, neither in education nor in professional life, unless you're like a lawyer or sth

Also I don't see how the same inexpressive clothes are going to help prevent bullying - even if everyone in my high school class wore the same clothes, I'd still know pretty well whose family is rich and whose isn't, like, you can see by their (or their parents') cars, their phones, all that, and like in general, you do have an idea about the person's life to some extent

I just have never been a fan of school uniforms and don't see their appeal, it's just my opinion, their positive effect seems largely exaggerated to me

[Phoenix 17,395]

Lol. too familiar

 

We dont have these uniforms at schools and unis, but two years ago I had an oral exam in july and it was around 40°C that day, so I wore those shorts, which werent too high, they were ending right at the middle of the knee. And the teacher had a meltdown when she saw me in it, how its inapropriate and shiz.

Well i guess you would prefer me fainting on the way to uni + i have seen female teachers wearing skirts and stuff so... A hairy male leg from knee to bottom wont kill no one.

[SlaeUrAnus 16,111]

4 minutes ago, Supersonic said:

IMO, I think the "poorer kids won't be bullied when they have school uniforms" is a bit weak because even with school uniforms and a strict dresscode, the wealthy will continue to flaunt their richness through accessories, custom alterations etc. while poorer kids will be the brunt of the joke for having to wear hand-me-downs that don't fit properly. I've read articles about school uniforms in the UK and within the pupils they had established a hierachy of affluency by the amount of decorative seams & hems in discrete places.

I think it's kinda naive to assume that uniforms just erase the problem of bullying based on wealth altogether.

I do sort of understand this, and I agree.

I wouldn't necessarily say I was "poor", but definitely not well-off when I was in school. Whilst the uniform did not give away my "social class", some things did. Like, I remember when my parents could not afford a decent can of deodorant and they sent me to school with a cheap 25p can that was a supermarkets own brand. My peers found out when getting changed in P.E and they taunted me ever since. 

[Phoenix 17,395]

I do like the uniform system cause it doesnt put pressure on kids who are poor or don't have money to constantly buy trendy clothes. But it needs to be updated.

[Whispering 18,865]

Just now, honza said:

Well what I'm saying is, there's no such thing as formal dress code here, neither in education nor in professional life, unless you're like a lawyer or sth

Also I don't see how the same inexpressive clothes are going to help prevent bullying - even if everyone in my high school class wore the same clothes, I'd still know pretty well whose family is rich and whose isn't, like, you can see by their (or their parents') cars, their phones, all that, and like in general, you do have an idea about the person's life to some extent

I just have never been a fan of school uniforms and don't see their appeal, it's just my opinion, their positive effect seems largely exaggerated to me

That's correct. You've never had them and don't or can't see the positive appeal. It is an opinion that isn't based on experience. 

[honza 2,194]

1 minute ago, Whispering said:

That's correct. You've never had them and don't or can't see the positive appeal. It is an opinion that isn't based on experience. 

because I don't see any negative effects of not having them  and like I said, I don't think I know anyone who would

[venusfly 17,885]

4 minutes ago, Supersonic said:

IMO, I think the "poorer kids won't be bullied when they have school uniforms" is a bit weak because even with school uniforms and a strict dresscode, the wealthy will continue to flaunt their richness through accessories, custom alterations etc. while poorer kids will be the brunt of the joke for having to wear hand-me-downs that don't fit properly. I've read articles about school uniforms in the UK and within the pupils they had established a hierachy of affluency by the amount of decorative seams & hems in discrete places.

I think it's kinda naive to assume that uniforms just erase the problem of bullying based on wealth altogether.

I guess it depends on which school you go to but for most schools the uniform is provided and there's no tiered 'more expensive' uniforms, its the same thing for everybody.

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It's not just the difference between people wearing more expensive clothes than others, there's the state of the clothes too. Poorer families wash clothes much much less to save money on water & power, they can't just buy more clothes when they start getting too small or they have rips in places, poor people look poor, there's no two ways about it; and high school kids are probably the most judgemental groups of people out there. 

Whether poorer kids care about how they appear or not, other kids do, and they will form opinions about other people without knowing them based on how they dress, its not really a conscious "they're wearing that lets not talk to them" thing, its more a quick subconscious decision on how they look and it leaves poorer kids at a social disadvantage, this leads to poor performance in school also as they want to come in less and their focus is constantly distracted, this is well studied.

[Emigrante 9,994]

1 hour ago, RainbowBlonde said:

You Muricans are honestly really lucky

Not only Americans

[Supersonic 49,376]

Just now, SlaeUrAnus said:

I do sort of understand this, and I agree.

I wouldn't necessarily say I was "poor", but definitely not well-off when I was in school. Whilst the uniform did not give away my "social class", some things did. Like, I remember when my parents could not afford a decent can of deodorant and they sent me to school with a cheap 25p can that was a supermarkets own brand. My peers found out when getting changed in P.E and they taunted me ever since. 

IMO having school uniforms even brings more attention to such tiny details, because I feel like everyone is at the edge of their seats trying to pick up if somebody is falling out of the scheme. Coming for a school that had no dresscode, I never experienced bullying despite not coming from a well-off family or anybody else getting bullied for their economic status. The only bullying I experienced and saw was based on sexuality, gender identity, sexism, racism and mental & physical disabilities.

[Lion Heart 15,041]

They should be able to wear shorts. And girls pants (assuming they don't already). Just update that, and it's all fixed.

[Benji 20,113]

Both my primary and secondary school had uniform but they had options; boys could wear shorts and girls could wear trousers. I find it weird that there are schools that don't allow options since every one of mine did 

Also, I think school uniform is extremely important. Kids, especially teenagers can be cruel and I think it's unfair to make some of them stick out just because of their parents' financial situation.

[Edonis 28,974]

I never really understood the purpose of school uniforms (at least where I live) because they barely represent formal professional wear (which is what it's supposed to mimic). I get that they're supposed to prevent bullying based on appearance because of the collective "sameness" in the outfits themselves, but, bullies are still going to bully. Idk.