Whispering 18,865 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 4 hours ago, Skai Jackson said: The problem is is that those fans are stating that “Lorde's album is a basic and boring album" when quite frankly that's not true. @fede ARTPOP made this thread for a stupid reason and that is to just solely bash and compare three different women, and I've only questioned their opinion because Joanne is not a special album and there are many things it falls short from but I'm not denying her talent. It is your opinion that Joanne isn't "special" and that it falls short. It's other's opinion that Melodrama is basic and boring. Their opinion isn't a fact, but neither is yours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, androiduser said: Didn't Adele and Beyonce win, tho? No. Beyoncé lost. Adele beat everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLH 130 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, TheBatman said: It depends on what the competition is. Basically Witness and Joanne sell the same give or take a few records. The worst aspect of the Joanne era to me is that is solidified her status as uncool. Helped her appeal with the older GP and adult contemp crowd, but she will never be cool again, and that makes me sad. As far as visuals, prefer Witness so far, two awesome and well thought out videos that really add to the songs. Prefer CTTR and BA to PI and MR as songs too. Witness era has been messy, but fascinating, something Joanne era just wasn't. Melodrama is still too new to me to have an opinion in relation to the other girls, but I think it's a brilliant album, more interesting and polished than Joanne or Witness imo, better lyrics and production. If by fascinating you mean messy, then yeah the Witness era was more fascinating than the Joanne era. Seriously though, we had the SuperBowl, a suprise JW video, Coachella and a completely new direction with Joanne. Not everything has to be neon and highly controversial to be exciting. Lots of longtime Gaga fans found the Joanne era to be highly interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lextyr97 20,059 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Skai Jackson said: I don't even consider myself a “Gaga stan" because to me that's degrading because I have my own career to worry about and every member here should feel the same. You guys preach “music not the bling" yet praise mediocrity which she's been delivering unfortunately. Do you consider this “dragging" even though I want the best for her and acknowledge her potential to create something incredible? I'm not saying that she doesn't have songs that are written well, but all I want is some improvement on her craft and to fix those problems in terms of her music such as the inexcusable mixing and mastering of her songs and badly-executed “satirical" lyrics that gives me second-hand embarrassment. Meh think what you want. I think Joanne is Gaga's best in a lot of areas and I don't believe it's anything close to mediocrity but to each his own. Think whatever the hell you want. I know Gaga is capable of even better than Joanne but I understand why she made a lot of the choices she made when creating Joanne. I am more than satisfied with what she has given us. Joanne has made me feel something no other album has and that's all that matters to me. My issue with your comments is that you legitimately drag her lyricism and her craft as something from a significantly lower tier than that of Lorde, which I do not, nor will I ever believe. If you really think Gaga has been delivering generic music since The Fame Monster, you need to reevaluate your musical perceptions. This is generic: This is not generic: If you can explain to me what is generic about a politically charged album, such as Born This Way, (about the LGBT community, immigration, feminism, and literally her fans), or ARTPOP (about greek mythology, critics, media, and being addicted to weed), or Joanne (a heavily country influenced album by a pop artist known for her electronic dance music about world peace, her aunt, her friend with cancer, black lives matter movement, her own career), then I'll agree with you. But I know you can't. Gaga goes left field all the time. Look at ****ing Electric Chapel? Like wtf? Perfect Illusion? Government Hooker? Venus? Dope? ARTPOP? Aura? GENERIC? WTF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelusionalGaga 29,589 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Because of threads like this one people will now randomly hate on Lorde and start petty stan wars with her fandom. Why do we always have to make a competition out of everything and why do some people here have to shove their opinion in everybody's faces? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentyGa 14,340 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Skai Jackson said: Gaga doesn't have to be the best at everything and I just want to know why you think Joanne is a better album. To me, a portion of the fanbase can agree that Angel Down's work tape, Just Another Day, and Grigio Girls are all filler unlike Melodrama which is cohesive and consistent and articulates Lorde's problems better whilst delivering an eclectic, risky sound into the mix. None of the songs made me wanna listen again. My just be my taste, but imo very song on Joanne is perfect Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabeoz 7,915 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, TheBatman said: It depends on what the competition is. Basically Witness and Joanne sell the same give or take a few records. The worst aspect of the Joanne era to me is that is solidified her status as uncool. Helped her appeal with the older GP and adult contemp crowd, but she will never be cool again, and that makes me sad. As far as visuals, prefer Witness so far, two awesome and well thought out videos that really add to the songs. Prefer CTTR and BA to PI and MR as songs too. Witness era has been messy, but fascinating, something Joanne era just wasn't. Melodrama is still too new to me to have an opinion in relation to the other girls, but I think it's a brilliant album, more interesting and polished than Joanne or Witness imo, better lyrics and production. Gaga was never "cool" she always strives to be uncool. My guess is that Joanne was part of her plan to increase her standing with the GP so she can fully come back into pop with a success in her next album. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyliesChild 16,907 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 22 minutes ago, Whispering said: It is your opinion that Joanne isn't "special" and that it falls short. It's other's opinion that Melodrama is basic and boring. Their opinion isn't a fact, but neither is yours. When have I said that their opinion is right and mine isn't though? Why are others insinuating that I stated it in that way when it was a question and not a statement saying “you're wrong! melodrama is better than joanne and I'm correct and superior because of my opinion". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLH 130 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Skai Jackson said: When have I said that their opinion is right and mine isn't though? Why are others insinuating that I stated it in that way when it was a question and not a statement saying “you're wrong! melodrama is better than joanne and I'm correct and superior because of my opinion". The Lorde fans have been implying it all throughout this thread that MC scores trump everything else and their opinion on which album is better is fact. I preferred Joanne over Melodrama, and a MC score won't convince me otherwise. Like I said, Stripped by Xtina has a 55, and I think it's an amazing album. MC has ulterior motives, and isn't used by the GP in deciding what music they like. Ed Sheeran has a career metacritic score of 65 and plenty of people love his music based on his commercial performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, Skai Jackson said: When have I said that their opinion is right and mine isn't though? Why are others insinuating that I stated it in that way Because that's what you did...and made sure to do it repeatedly on almost every page of this thread. That's why you are getting backlash now in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 57 minutes ago, OLH said: Miley fans, Katy fans, Lorde fans and Madge fans were all coming for us in 2013-2015. Let's not act like we shouldn't celebrate Gaga's success and downplay it just like they do. You guys don't deserve Gaga. Maybe when Lorde gives you the same album for the next two albums you'll move on and let go of critical opinion. Pretty much. 1 hour ago, OLH said: Lorde fans are something else. They say Gaga is pretentious, but have they listened to Lorde's music? Pretentious people are petrified by talented artists who aren't also pretentious. They assume that in order to be talented you have to be pretentious, or that being talented gives you the right to be pretentious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyliesChild 16,907 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Just now, Whispering said: Because that's what you did...and made sure to do it repeatedly on almost every page of this thread. That's why you are getting backlash now in this thread. But that's what was said on the second page of the thread when I only made 2 posts on it. I compared Lorde's "Liability"'s lyrics to other songs that are allegedly better than it and as I've stated before it was a question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyliesChild 16,907 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, OLH said: The Lorde fans have been implying it all throughout this thread that MC scores trump everything else and their opinion on which album is better is fact. I preferred Joanne over Melodrama, and a MC score won't convince me otherwise. Like I said, Stripped by Xtina has a 55, and I think it's an amazing album. MC has ulterior motives, and isn't used by the GP in deciding what music they like. Ed Sheeran has a career metacritic score of 65 and plenty of people love his music based on his commercial performance. I agree that's such an immature way to approach people because there's obviously a different opinion amongst others but when have I mentioned that? I'm talking about what I did and not other Lorde fans in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLH 130 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Skai Jackson said: I agree that's such an immature way to approach people because there's obviously a different opinion amongst others but when have I mentioned that? I'm talking about what I did and not other Lorde fans in this thread. Idk, you threw Gaga under the bus to praise Lorde, and it seems many other members can only praise Melodrama through bashing Joanne. If you must bring down another album to uplift another it might be a sign that you don't like it as much as you're telling yourself you do. I think monsters didn't like the change in direction of Joanne, and prefer a more pure pop sound, so they latched onto Melodrama. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLH 130 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, Skai Jackson said: I agree that's such an immature way to approach people because there's obviously a different opinion amongst others but when have I mentioned that? I'm talking about what I did and not other Lorde fans in this thread. You did the same thing though. In the thread about Gaga and Lorde's songwriting abilities you felt the need to point out chinks in Gaga's armor to boost up Lorde, and compared the two albums unfavorably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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