Miley distances herself from Hip-Hop

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13 hours ago, Gaga Monster said:

She is 100% right. Most Hip Hop music is about sex culture, gangs, money, cars, and women. I would distance myself from that as well if I were her

Girl what... bye 

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Mess. 

[AURA 2,890]

15 hours ago, junolxf said:

She used hip hop and rap to act rebellious and cool and to distance herself from her Hanna Montana image. Her proximity to black people was a marketing gimmick. "Look at me. I'm so ratchet, gurrlll". So, yeah, she used black culture for personal gain. It's a known fact. But now that she's done she's thrashing it. lol, girl. 

The same way Gaga used religious imagery and blasphemy to gain attention, then all of a sudden she loves reading the bible and going to church. They're celebs, they gotta do what they gotta do.

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11 hours ago, ryhanna said:

Yeah, I'm not trying to say these kinds of things don't exist in Hip Hop. They're a prominent theme in a lot of popular music and Urban culture, but there are also many positives represented in the genre. I just don't think it's cool of Miley to generalise a genre after she used it to give her career a second wind and break free of her childhood image and transition into a more adult phase in her career. Especially after utilising the themes herself that she seems to detest so much about Hip Hop.

Maybe she's matured and developed new musical tastes and wants to make music that more represents who she is today, similar to Gaga experimenting with new genres in Joanne. And that's cool, I'm totally down for Miley to explore her musical influences and try new things. But Gaga didn't throw her old music under the bus, or talk **** about the genres that helped her become who she is. 

I'm not here to SJW all over the place, I just think it's a **** move to use a certain genre to your advantage because it's cool (including using the negative parts you'll later criticise) and then turn around and trash it. It devalues her work and the genre itself. Makes her seem fake and fickle. 

Girl, '**** you pop music' and the beginning of Joanna era when she bashed pop music and VOLANTIS, said she wasn't proud of ARTPOP and so on. Using religious imagery and blasphemy to get attention, then, all of a sudden, being this girl that goes to church, gets blessed and reads from the bible... lmfao hypocrisy is what defines stars.

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First of all, the idea of " cultural appropriation" is rediculous. Cultures should appreciate and borrow from each other without people getting angry. We are all humans. No one owns any style, music, or form of expression. You should be allowed to indulge in anything you are interested in, and not be made to feel bad about it, because of the color of your skin. "Cultural appropriation" is a stupid concept. 

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4 hours ago, ItWasntLaauv said:

I don't understand this. 

Not everything's about race, people change genres all the time (sounds like someone we stan ). She didn't even say that she hated hip hop (she likes new Kenderick Lamar music), she just doesn't like mindless, sleazy hip hop that paints women in a bad light anymore and that's understandable.

Read my other posts. Thanks. Bye. 

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She is such a fraud and a fake. It's like dealing with another Taylor Swift.

She used blackness (including hip hop dabbling) as a costume until she didn't want to anymore because she was ready to rebrand. It is quite insulting. To distance herself to this degree is  telling but I don't think anyone truly bought her 420 Hoodrat moniker. If her 'Bangerz' persona was going to sell well again, she'd easily adapt to it I believe. The worst part about this is she has no issue with men (especially rappers) saying those things. She used to laugh at lyrics like that and cheer it on. She was doing so as recently as a few months ago. And, tbh, there's many more rappers than Kendrick with meaningful lyrics so it's obvious she doesn't know sh-t about hip hop which is equally pathetic. If anything, her relationship with Liam restarting has inspired her to not embrace her recent image and wants to show off the one she had during her first big album a la 'The Climb'. It's quite obvious she feels the need to present herself in a different light because of/with Liam.

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1 hour ago, AURA said:

The same way Gaga used religious imagery and blasphemy to gain attention, then all of a sudden she loves reading the bible and going to church. They're celebs, they gotta do what they gotta do.

No, not the same at all. Gaga is actually Catholic. Her whole family is Catholic. She was raised as a Catholic. She is religious. Most religious people have conflicting thoughts about their religion. 

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15 hours ago, ChaosAngelX69 said:

Good. I hate everything about that culture. The toxic masculinity, the fake luxury women, the trophy hoes, the lack of singing and real instruments. Don't even get me started on it's twitter fans, they can be so messy

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51 minutes ago, junolxf said:

Read my other posts. Thanks. Bye. 

No need to be rude 

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10 hours ago, The Fame Joanne said:

Do you try to make this about race as well? 

No I said it because the different cultures here get along with another pretty well and don't get angry bc of cultural appropriation. So maybe you should allow people to get to know each others cultures better, instead of calling anyone a racist who tries to indulge in a foreign genre, life-style, whatever. Maybe that would be the better way, bc I don't see how anyone profits from closing doors and being limited

Race relations have a long and complicated history in the US. Europe doesn't have the history or the current race problems we see in the US now, so it's hard to make a comparison. There are decades...generations of learned behaviors and attitudes that Americans have that will be unique to them. That's going to come out in different ways than it would in other countries where this complicated history doesn't exist. 

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2 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Race relations have a long and complicated history in the US. Europe doesn't have the history or the problems we have now, so it's hard to make a comparison. There are decades...generations of learned behaviors and attitudes that Americans have that are different from other countries. That's going to come out in different ways than it would in other countries where this complicated history doesn't exist. 

I know that you have a different history. But it doesn't help to overcome the wounds those times left, to accuse everyone of cultural appropriation. If anything, this causes more trouble

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Just now, The Fame Joanne said:

I know that you have a different history. But it doesn't help to overcome the wounds those times left, to accuse everyone of cultural appropriation. If anything, this causes more trouble

I don't think that's why people point out cultural appropriation. It's more complicated than "in Europe we all get along"...that was all I was saying. 

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2 hours ago, AURA said:

The same way Gaga used religious imagery and blasphemy to gain attention, then all of a sudden she loves reading the bible and going to church. They're celebs, they gotta do what they gotta do.

 

2 hours ago, AURA said:

Girl, '**** you pop music' and the beginning of Joanna era when she bashed pop music and VOLANTIS, said she wasn't proud of ARTPOP and so on. Using religious imagery and blasphemy to get attention, then, all of a sudden, being this girl that goes to church, gets blessed and reads from the bible... lmfao hypocrisy is what defines stars.

I don't see the correlation though. You can use religious imagery to represent your art and you can still be religious at the same time.

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@junolxf  @PETTY  @Bebe

You all seem to have made assumptions here. Miley never said that she now disliked all rap, just the stuff that was problematic. Read the quote from her again and you'll see that she had moved on from that stuff but still liked Kendrick. I find it very sad that stating sexism as the reason for why you have chosen to distance yourself from something is seen as something negative. It just shows how much further feminism still has to go. As a woman, Miley more than has the right to dismiss something because she feels it's sexist. It's exactly the same as a person of colour dismissing something because they think its racist. And that attitude is praised and encouraged. So, how come people of colour are allowed to be offended by something but a white woman can't?

@Economy  @Yanko

I think you underestimate how much people's views can change as they get older. Until I was about 17, I was fully supportive of overt sexuality, believed it empowered women and didn't see a problem with it. But then a collection of theories that were put forward to me one day opened my eyes to how much women are socialised since birth to believe this nonsense. Because, surprise, surprise, a culture that wants women to be sexual and has a thriving sex industry has to maintain the belief that overt sexuality is a good thing in the minds of its women. So, they feed us this BS about how being sexual is empowering, that it's a strong feminist statement. And so many women have fallen for this, failing to realise that men are not expressing their sexuality in the same ways, yet are mysteriously getting more respect. Now, not all women come to a stage of enlightenment this big but there comes a time in most women's lives when they reach a certain point where they realise: "This is all a bit degrading, isn't it?" Now, as men, neither of you will be aware of this stage but I can tell you that, as a woman, enduring these feelings makes you really angry at society and you want to change things. Miley was young and naive and wanted to rebel and thought being overtly sexual was cool but now she's woken up to the reality of how doing what she did only helps in degrading women, not empowering them and she was part of the problem, not the solution. With age comes wisdom and people are allowed to change their viewpoints as they age. Humans are adaptable and they grow and their views do not remain the same their entire lives. I know that I am not the same person that I was when I was 20 and I don't expect Miley to be either.

@brownie Keep on doing what you're doing. You're awesome.

11 hours ago, Dorothy Gale said:

But Europe isn't the only continent. Why is Europe the baseline for everything? Because it's the whitest? 

11 hours ago, Dorothy Gale said:

There's so many things Europeans might not understand about race. If you never learned about indigenous people or the slave trade and don't know people who descended from that it's easy to not think twice about stereotypes or people making a mockery of a culture. 

I actually find everything you've said to be very offensive. It seems putting down white people and European culture in general is fine because some ignorant people think we have no culture or are stupid and ignorant just by virtue of where we live or the colour of our skin (which is pretty racist and xenophobic). Nobody is saying that Europe is the only continent or that it's the baseline for everything, where on earth did you get that idea? All that's being said is merely: "Americans with their racial obsessions could learn a thing or two from Europe and its colourblind standpoint." More and more Americans, especially the ones who are very PC, are claiming that being colourblind doesn't work when in reality, this idea is operating very well in Europe. Surely history has shown us that when people start to see differences between them and other groups, that's when the problems start? But no, PC American culture insists on not even trying out the concept just to see how it goes. And where do you get the idea that Europeans know nothing about indigenous people or the slave trade? Considering that my country was one of the biggest slave trade capitals of the world, I think you'll find that this history is one we're always reminded of. I am really interested to know where you get the impression that Europeans don't know about this stuff. As a Brit, we're very into American culture, so we are well aware of stereotypes, people making a mockery of culture and the social justice conversation in general. Europe is not cut off from America, we do have the internet and tv to connect us. I've noticed that ever since last year, for the first time ever, I'm starting to get people assuming that I'm uneducated and ignorant about certain things just because I am white, which has been a very frustrating experience for me. But bringing my nationality into it as well? Is that really the way the wind blows?

1 hour ago, Whispering said:

Race relations have a long and complicated history in the US. Europe doesn't have the history or the current race problems we see in the US now, so it's hard to make a comparison. There are decades...generations of learned behaviors and attitudes that Americans have that will be unique to them. That's going to come out in different ways than it would in other countries where this complicated history doesn't exist. 

Is it too much to ask that Americans look outside themselves and see how other nations are dealing with race and see if they're better or worse off for it? And then see if they could emulate some of those ideas? I think when a country becomes too caught up in their way of seeing things, their way of doing things, like America is famous for, they can restrict themselves to limited ideas and perspectives. The reason why America isn't improving in its race relations is because they just keep peddling out systems that have been proven to not work. America likes to do things its own way and thinks they can educate the world on the right path. They don't want to take inspiration from other countries and their way of doing things, even if said countries are thriving and America is not. I feel really sorry for American citizens who are trying to push ideas of colourblindness forward but are getting stifled by the overwhelming idea of segregation that unfortunately pervades millions in their country.