Gagamel 3,410 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 1 minute ago, The Fame Joanne said: But not all of them went to Macedonia I never said all of them went to Macedonia during that period, but the migrations have been happening for a very long time and the person called me ignorant. Even if they were there for a hundred years, they should not demand their language become an official one. They went there in search for a better life, and if they can't deal with the countries language and laws, they should go back to where they came from. It's that simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Blue 8,566 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, Gagamel said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_diaspora "Between 1989 and 2001, roughly 800,000 people have migrated out of Albania" Okay sis, I'm definitely ignorant. I don't hate Albanians, i just think what they are doing is completely wrong and i'd like for it to stop. They've also done plenty wrong so don't even try. Its just looks like u hate them for being in your country they've literally been there for centuries before the land was even part of Macedonia And as about the mass imigration after the 90's ... they all migrated in italy europe and usa I doubt they came in Macedonia, since its pretty much economically the same situation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Blue 8,566 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, Gagamel said: I never said all of them went to Macedonia during that period, but the migrations have been happening for a very long time and the person called me ignorant. Even if they were there for a hundred years, they should not demand their language become an official one. They went there in search for a better life, and if they can't deal with the countries language and laws, they should go back to where they came from. It's that simple. Sis Im sorry but they were there before the land was part of macedonia... thats why I said ignorant because you seem to not know this part of history Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fame Joanne 5,985 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Gagamel said: "The mass emigration of the 1990s to early 2000s has resulted in massive brain drain to Albania. In the period 1990–2003, an estimated 45% of Albania's academics emigrated, as did more than 65% of the scholars who received PhDs in the West in the period 1980–1990.[10] In 2006, a "brain gain" program compiled by Albanian authorities and the UNDP was put into action to encourage the skilled diaspora to contribute to the country's development, though its success remains to be seen." Not really for centuries. They have been moving everywhere out of Albania and just set up shop and demand rights, literally trying to turn multiple countries around Albania, into Albania. There percentage in the population grew over the last century, but they already lived in that region before. Die Albaner sind eine autochthone Bevölkerung in Mazedonien und leben seit Jahrhunderten mit (slawischen) Mazedoniern, Türken, Roma und Serben nebeneinander. Nach dem Fall des Osmanischen Reichs Anfang des 20. Jahrhunderts kamen die albanisch bewohnten Gebiete des heutigen Mazedoniens an das Königreich Serbien. Das Mutterland Albanien umfasste somit nur etwa die Hälfte der von Albanern bewohnten Region des Balkans. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albaner_in_Mazedonien I remember you wanted to learn some German Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagamel 3,410 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 1 minute ago, The Fame Joanne said: There percentage in the population grew over the last century, but they already lived in that region before. Die Albaner sind eine autochthone Bevölkerung in Mazedonien und leben seit Jahrhunderten mit (slawischen) Mazedoniern, Türken, Roma und Serben nebeneinander. Nach dem Fall des Osmanischen Reichs Anfang des 20. Jahrhunderts kamen die albanisch bewohnten Gebiete des heutigen Mazedoniens an das Königreich Serbien. Das Mutterland Albanien umfasste somit nur etwa die Hälfte der von Albanern bewohnten Region des Balkans. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albaner_in_Mazedonien I remember you wanted to learn some German I know they already lived in these places before, but the Albanian population in the 60s was at 13%, then it rose to 25% in the 00's. And it's all fine if they wanna live there, they can speak their language freely, but they can not demand for their language to become official in a country that is not their native one. It makes no sense. If 3 million Serbians decide to move to lets say Switzerland, and then they make up about 25% of the population, do they have the right to just ask for their language to become official? No. They learn German and they follow the Swiss laws. If they don't like it, they can move back. "The net influx in the past 30 years has been close to 100,000 Albanians." They are still moving to Macedonia, can you tell me why they're doing so? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagamel 3,410 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, August Blue said: Sis Im sorry but they were there before the land was part of macedonia... thats why I said ignorant because you seem to not know this part of history Just now, Gagamel said: I know they already lived in these places before, but the Albanian population in the 60s was at 13%, then it rose to 25% in the 00's. And it's all fine if they wanna live there, they can speak their language freely, but they can not demand for their language to become official in a country that is not their native one. It makes no sense. If 3 million Serbians decide to move to lets say Switzerland, and then they make up about 25% of the population, do they have the right to just ask for their language to become official? No. They learn German and they follow the Swiss laws. If they don't like it, they can move back. "The net influx in the past 30 years has been close to 100,000 Albanians." They are still moving to Macedonia, can you tell me why they're doing so? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fame Joanne 5,985 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, Gagamel said: I know they already lived in these places before, but the Albanian population in the 60s was at 13%, then it rose to 25% in the 00's. And it's all fine if they wanna live there, they can speak their language freely, but they can not demand for their language to become official in a country that is not their native one. It makes no sense. If 3 million Serbians decide to move to lets say Switzerland, and then they make up about 25% of the population, do they have the right to just ask for their language to become official? No. They learn German and they follow the Swiss laws. If they don't like it, they can move back. "The net influx in the past 30 years has been close to 100,000 Albanians." They are still moving to Macedonia, can you tell me why they're doing so? I just wanted to show you, that you can't compare the Syrians in Germany with the Albanians in Macedonia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
howlerfox 139 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 It's not much different to what happens in Brazil. Violence and war won't take someone anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagamel 3,410 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Just now, The Fame Joanne said: I just wanted to show you, that you can't compare the Syrians in Germany with the Albanians in Macedonia I know it's not the perfect example, but i used it as an example of principle mostly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Blue 8,566 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 @Gagamel move back where? they were there before the land was even part of macedonia. And its not the same thing as the examples you gave above. And they do follow the macedonian laws. Why USA can have like 5 primary languages and macedonia not 1 second language, especially when they make 25% of the population. This balkan mentality should stop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagamel 3,410 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 1 minute ago, August Blue said: @Gagamel move back where? they were there before the land was even part of macedonia. And its not the same thing as the examples you gave above. And they do follow the macedonian laws. Why USA can have like 5 primary languages and macedonia not 1 second language, especially when they make 25% of the population. This balkan mentality should stop "The net influx in the past 30 years has been close to 100,000 Albanians." read my full post before replying please, thanks in advance. USA is a country whose root existence stems from immigration sis, stop it. There are no "Americans" there are only "Native Americans" whose main language is none of the 5 primary languages you keep mentioning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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