Private prison gets $110 Million contract in Texas

[Born To Slay 10,996]

4 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

That is money the government pays to the contractor.

That is not a profit. Nobody pays to go to prison, those are tax dollars. 

If it were a public prison, the government would be paying more.

Private companies are always more efficient that publicly run ones, that's just a fact of life. The government has to pay public prisons way more than they do private prisons. That's why private prisons exist in the first place... otherwise they'd all be public...

 

 

Private companies net thousands of dollars per prisoner per year. That's a profit. 

"Another problem that arises is the fact that these are for-profit businesses. This means if they can cut services from their list, then they save money. Suppose a prison cuts out the cleaning services and the cost per prisoner drops to $90 per day. They instantly earn an additional $10 per day; a number that can add up quickly if there are 1,000 prisoners in the facility. Cutting cleaning makes the company more money: but provides unhealthy and inhumane living conditions for the inmates. Cutting costs ultimately affects the prisoners and diminishes the quality of their living quarters."

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/062215/business-model-private-prisons.asp

[MJHolland 12,725]

4 minutes ago, toewsy said:

The goal of private prisons, like any business, is to generate a profit. 
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/062215/business-model-private-prisons.asp

Feel free to google "how private prisons make money" + do your own research if you don't believe me 

They get money from the government to operate because they do it cheaper than a public prison could.

They actually have incentives to not waste money, whereas government employees purposefully waste money.

If a government organization goes under budget, their budget for next year is slashed. But if they go over budget, their budget next year is raised.

People freak out over private prisons as if they are lobbying for more prisoners. No. These prisons are basically only getting paid to cover operating costs. It's like a private mail company. 

[toewsy 1,842]

6 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

They actually have incentives to not waste money, whereas government employees purposefully waste money. 

And therefore they also have an incentive to throw as many people as they can in prison 

...but they'd never do that
 

Spoiler

...would they?

http://all-that-is-interesting.com/private-prisons-us-stats

 

[MJHolland 12,725]

3 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

Private companies net thousands of dollars per prisoner per year. That's a profit. 

"Another problem that arises is the fact that these are for-profit businesses. This means if they can cut services from their list, then they save money. Suppose a prison cuts out the cleaning services and the cost per prisoner drops to $90 per day. They instantly earn an additional $10 per day; a number that can add up quickly if there are 1,000 prisoners in the facility. Cutting cleaning makes the company more money: but provides unhealthy and inhumane living conditions for the inmates. Cutting costs ultimately affects the prisoners and diminishes the quality of their living quarters."

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/062215/business-model-private-prisons.asp

Yeah.... they're prisoners.... Sorry but I don't have my own maid service to pick up after me and neither should they?

And if a public prison goes over budget, their budget for next year is increased. They have an incentive to keep costs up. Sorry but I don't want to pay more for the bottom shelf of society??

If you really want to, increased regulation can make sure private prisons have adequate health standards. This way private prisons can exist to reduce costs and we wouldn't have to worry about these issues. 

Regulations can be instrumental for fixing market shortcomings and moral hazards. Let's use them here instead of scrapping the whole system. 

[MJHolland 12,725]

2 minutes ago, toewsy said:

And therefore they also have an incentive to throw as many people as they can in prison 

...but they'd never do that, would they? 

http://all-that-is-interesting.com/private-prisons-us-stats

Lmao. Since when did private prisons get to decide how many prisoners they have?!

They don't hand down guilty verdicts, and they do not decide where a prisoner goes to be incarcerated. This is entirely a fear-mongering fallacy dude... 

[MJHolland 12,725]

4 minutes ago, toewsy said:

And therefore they also have an incentive to throw as many people as they can in prison 
 

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...would they?

http://all-that-is-interesting.com/private-prisons-us-stats

 

Also.... if they are really trying to "throw as many people as they can in prison", they sure are doing a SH*T job of that

As the OP states, this company currently has 3,000 empty beds.

So much for your false narrative that private prisons cram prisoners in and advocate for stricter penalties for law breakers..... Awkward...

[Sister 9,907]

1 hour ago, The Fame Joanne said:

I don't think prisons should be private 

I so agree, this sounds very scary and should not be permitted anywhere in the U.S.

[toewsy 1,842]

10 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Lmao. Since when did private prisons get to decide how many prisoners they have?!

They don't hand down guilty verdicts, and they do not decide where a prisoner goes to be incarcerated. This is entirely a fear-mongering fallacy dude... 

7 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

So much for your false narrative that private prisons cram prisoners in and advocate for stricter penalties for law breakers..... Awkward...

Nope, that'd be the government's job. Fortunately for us the government's completely immune to the influence of big business and corruption of any kind. It's not like corporations are now considered people or anything by a Supreme Court ruling or anything...  

Alright, sarcasm aside, issues like these are more nuanced than looking at some empty beds (fun fact: contracts + money goes to them regardless of how occupied they actually are), but enjoy your opinion and don't forget to stream #TheCure on Spotify's TTH playlist. I'm out y'all
 

 

[Sister 9,907]

37 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

I just wanna say that a few years ago, members of this site (and the public) were saying how awful the conditions were at immigration detriment centers.

Now you guys are complaining because Trump is actually building one that is being enough to accommodate people?

Immigration detainment camps under Obama were so small, people and children had to sleep on the floor and families were broken up because they couldn't be kept in the same facility.

Chose your fights you want to have with the Trump administration wisely. That's all I'm saying. 

For one, there should not be a place specifically called a "prison" to hold these persons whom many seem to try to imagine as being not human beings and they should not be treated so ugly as to be subjected as full families, as violent criminals and thrown in camps like jail or places where hoarded animals are kept for slaughter, in the given name of the Greatest Country in the World. We have to be better than all of this. Why doesn't Government in particular, ever learn from the past.

Where is the humanity.

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

1 minute ago, Sister said:

For one, there should not be a place specifically called a "prison" to hold these persons whom many seem to try to imagine as being not human beings and they should not be treated so ugly as to be subjected as full families, as violent criminals and thrown in camps like jail or places where hoarded animals are kept for slaughter, in the given name of the Greatest Country in the World. We have to be better than all of this. Why doesn't Government in particular, ever learn from the past.

Where is the humanity.

This. America's prison system is fundamentally flawed, and we are more focused on Incarceration than Rehabilitation and Reform, which is a larger goal of punishment tbh  

[MJHolland 12,725]

9 minutes ago, toewsy said:

Nope, that'd be the government's job. Fortunately for us the government's completely immune to the influence of big business and corruption of any kind. It's not like corporations are now considered people or anything by a Supreme Court ruling or anything...  

Alright, sarcasm aside, issues like these are more nuanced than looking at some empty beds (fun fact: contracts + money goes to them regardless of how occupied they actually are), but enjoy your opinion and don't forget to stream #TheCure on Spotify's TTH playlist. I'm out y'all
 

 

False. They're paid per prisoner in most states.

And private prison companies don't make enough money to influence policy that much. 

This company in question is the second largest private prison company in the world and they only make $70 million a year brah 

Just because they're incorporated doesn't make them evil  Stop fear mongering lmao it's sad

Spoiler

Wendy's Inc. makes $130 million a year. By you're logic Wendy's as almost twice as much influence over government policy. So f*cking funny mate. 

 

[MJHolland 12,725]

10 minutes ago, Sister said:

For one, there should not be a place specifically called a "prison" to hold these persons whom many seem to try to imagine as being not human beings and they should not be treated so ugly as to be subjected as full families, as violent criminals and thrown in camps like jail or places where hoarded animals are kept for slaughter, in the given name of the Greatest Country in the World. We have to be better than all of this. Why doesn't Government in particular, ever learn from the past.

Where is the humanity.

The OP calls this a prison, it's not actually a prison... So awk first of all

Secondly, this center is being built BECAUSE we want to stop the treatment of immigrants that you just described. Under Obama, kids and pregnant women had to sleep on cell floors. Now they'll have beds. Chill out.

Don't let yourself be tricked dude c'mon...

And stop with the f*cking fear mongering omggg, I don't think I've ever read a more dramatic sentence lmao 

[Sister 9,907]

2 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

The OP calls this a prison, it's not actually a prison... So awk first of all

Secondly, this center is being built BECAUSE we want to stop the treatment of immigrants that you just described. Under Obama, kids and pregnant women had to sleep on cell floors. Now they'll have beds. Chill out.

Don't let yourself be tricked dude c'mon...

And stop with the f*cking fear mongering omggg, I don't think I've ever read a more dramatic sentence lmao 

At least it pulled sentiment from you , these are human beings that we are considering. You look to me as strangely reacting to this problem and I do the same at your opinion on this problem.

[MJHolland 12,725]

1 minute ago, Sister said:

At least it pulled sentiment from you , these are human beings that we are considering. You look to me as strangely reacting to this problem and I do the same at your opinion on this problem.

OK but this new state-of-the-art facility is being created because we DON'T want these people in crowded conditions where we can't accommodate them.

THAT'S the point man...