Joanne lacks soul

[JustAnotherDay 8,402]

On 3/8/2017 at 9:31 PM, caseymonster said:

let me start this topic from saying that i love joanne for the opportunities it gave to gaga and i do not say that it is a bad album by any standard.

however, i was just going thru gagas ubreleased rock-ish songs. And tbh joanne just lacks soul. When im comparing ayo to MANiCURE. That basic soulless instrumental just hurts my ears! Like it could be amazing with punchy real metal/rock instrumental (but instead we got tubas straight out of shake it off with rock vocals?! whaaaaaaaattttt) or When i compare mr to any other ballad gaga made in the past (except dope), mr just pales in comparison (honest eyes, speechless, brown eyes, captivated, no way, wonderful). And that goes to literary every song on joanne.  Joanne also suffers from too many basic lyrics. Stuff such as "one five ten lay a million on be before the end of the song" where gaga rhymes "me" with "song" just makes me doubt the existance of god. How could she write something so attrocious?                             Or that basic john wayne bridge.   Joanne is trying to sell how relatable gaga and that shes a singer/songwritter. But to me, it just comes off extremely commercially sounding album with close to zero risks taken. Creatively speaking songs like angel down (that lacks a bridge and epic outro) or even dancing in circles (that uses such annoyingly obvious metaphors that cringe me) it seems like gaga is just afraid to be creative anymore. Maybe due to ARTPOPs failure gaga is avoiding something spectacular?! 

Idk, discuss i guess.. 

I'll just break this down

1) of course there is a horn section on a funk song, that's not odd

2) Joanne has a lot of excellent writing, a song doesn't need to be complex to be well written

3) she's not rhyming 'me" with "song,"every line doesn't have to rhyme and she's not trying to make it rhyme, like what are you talking about?

4) Joanne is a risky album for this time, I don't know why she would choose this to be creatively safe.

I mean you are allowed you opinion but I don't really understand you. I mean anyone who has listened to her early unreleased demos knows she is good at this type of music and has been doing it for a long time, it's not a guise she's putting on. I mean this just isn't a majorly commercial album.

[JustAnotherDay 8,402]

On 3/8/2017 at 10:53 PM, caseymonster said:

how can u not see the album is rushed, let me give you examples:

-"one,five, ten lay a million on me, before the end of the song" gaga freaking rhimed song with me?! In the most weak pre corus she ever ****ing created.

-ayo has rock vocals over tubas that sound like they were taken from shake it off. Also, that annoying repetition of mirror on the ceiling is cringing me and has nothing to do with any part of the song.

-dancing in circles is a metaphore to jerking off and it just pains me and obvious it is. Like when its this obvious she might as well say what she means. Again, display of lack of efford on creativity.

-perfect illusions lyrics are soooo freaking cheesy and repetitive She had tame impala work with her, but this was just annoyingly repetitive, bad bad bad guitar riffs and vocal mixture, like that yell "aaaaaa it was a perfect illusion" is done so badly. 

-sinners pray is the most pointless song ive heard. She might as well not put it. Awesome start with the guitar. Bad bad bad chorus. Horrible vocals, i cant believe they worked with father john misty on this. 

-gaga didnt even write a single word in come to mama. Its original is cum to mama and she just bought it and badly executed it into slmething that sounds like its made by maghen trainer

-angel down starts so nicely. And progresses to be the most anti climatic song on the album with literary no ****ing bridge (the bridge consists of gaga saying oh oh ooh for 40 seconds)

 

1) literally what are you talking about? Every line of a song doesn't have to rhyme and this one didn't

2) A-Yo is not a rock song, it is a funk song which commonly uses brass and horns. Also, Shake It Off doesn't even have tubas. You can have your opinion on lyrics

3) You can have your opinions on lyrics 

4) mostly personal opinion, the mixing was done by an incredible mixer so it was done well.

5) the guitar is a base, she has electropop songs that are much more pointless but I guess you just don't like the genre

6)She has the second writing credit on the song, obviously she wrote part of it. Meghan Trainor didn't invent doo-wop and 60's pop btw.

7) yeah

[Free My Mind 2,209]

she rhymes "on" with "song"

not me

[TimisaMonster 31,073]

19 hours ago, lego said:

 

He's actually Tim. 

Tim Is A Monster 

 

 

 

[Hew 988]

On 09/03/2017 at 2:36 PM, Brainiac said:

Completely disagree. There are certain songs on Joanne where Gaga basically bares her soul. Like the title track and Million Reasons. Perfect Illusion and Diamond Heart are also examples where she really puts all her emotion into the vocals. I could go on but I'll keep this response short.

#Preach

 

[YeehawKylie 7,817]

The only thing Joanne lacks is the cohesion of her former albums. Her previous albums were very thematic and conceptual, which really defined Gaga as an artist. Perhaps that is why most people have trouble relating Joanne to Lady Gaga. That being said, Joanne still retains a cohesive sound and visual, so it's not so far removed from its predecessors. To say the album lacks soul is just wrong. This album contains some of her most personal, raw, and unrestrained songs (Diamond Heart, Joanne, Perfect Illusion, Grigio Girls). 

[eggyolk 71]

On Diamond Heart "song" actually rhymes with "on". Take another listen.

[ThatAsianGuy 2,365]

I dont know what youre talking about.  Joanne has that SOUL. You need to stop from listening to madonna cause youre starting to sound like a madonna stan. 

[merlot 5,772]

this is exactly how i feel about joanne 

 

there's something missing 

[Emvee 8,526]

Joanne is not a masterpiece, but it definitely has soul. Gaga was actually looking hard at herself and her friends/family (people who help define and impact her on a personal level) for Joanne - whether it be her sister, her friend Sonja, her father, how she coped with being away from Taylor... She was not looking at society or her fans for substance this time around. It's arguably more Gaga than any of her past albums. There are no artsy concepts she contrives for each single. It has just been her and that pink hat, which I think she uses as a symbol of her womanhood - a huge theme on Joanne.  

Maybe the closest Gaga gets to the same old, same old commentary on fame that she usually does is on Perfect Illusion and A-Yo. But I guess that's because at this point, Fame so deeply defines Gaga's experience as a human. It has been coming through that way since ARTPOP. Everything post BTW has been a reflection on the shitshow and backlash that was late 2010-2013. The destruction of the Perfect Illusion completely changed her as a person. (Watch a Gaga interview from 2008, then watch an interview from 2014.)

[bionic 50,107]

On 09/03/2017 at 5:51 PM, XtiNe said:

So Joanne has like 1 or 2 country-style songs and all of a sudden the whole album is country? Lol

isnt that basically what everyone here claims?  

[Gardevoir 9,911]

On 09/03/2017 at 5:53 AM, caseymonster said:

how can u not see the album is rushed, let me give you examples:

-"one,five, ten lay a million on me, before the end of the song" gaga freaking rhimed song with me?! In the most weak pre corus she ever ****ing created.

-ayo has rock vocals over tubas that sound like they were taken from shake it off. Also, that annoying repetition of mirror on the ceiling is cringing me and has nothing to do with any part of the song.

-dancing in circles is a metaphore to jerking off and it just pains me and obvious it is. Like when its this obvious she might as well say what she means. Again, display of lack of efford on creativity.

-perfect illusions lyrics are soooo freaking cheesy and repetitive She had tame impala work with her, but this was just annoyingly repetitive, bad bad bad guitar riffs and vocal mixture, like that yell "aaaaaa it was a perfect illusion" is done so badly. 

-sinners pray is the most pointless song ive heard. She might as well not put it. Awesome start with the guitar. Bad bad bad chorus. Horrible vocals, i cant believe they worked with father john misty on this. 

-gaga didnt even write a single word in come to mama. Its original is cum to mama and she just bought it and badly executed it into slmething that sounds like its made by maghen trainer

-angel down starts so nicely. And progresses to be the most anti climatic song on the album with literary no ****ing bridge (the bridge consists of gaga saying oh oh ooh for 40 seconds)

 

Just to reply about come to mama cause I think everyone got it right about the rest by quoting you. The fact that Emile Haynie recorded demo for come to mama, doesn't mean she didn't write the song beforehand.

[Zilla 13,433]

See most of you are just looking at it from technical standpoints and not philosophical. 

Gaga was hurting. She's 30 years old now too, broke up with her fiance, started taking care of herself, grew up in the public's eye, went through so much bullshit and survived it, stripped herself of nasty baggage from her personal stuff and from the industry, is still suffering from PTSD and that stuff, but freed herself from the talons and you say it lacks soul? 

Totally disagree. Sure some of the songs have no real detectable point but if you take Joanne the song, Million Reasons, Come to Mama (this one is borderline because she didn't write it from scratch), Grigio Girls, Angel Down..... Those definitely come from her soul and experiences she's going through as a human being. Thoughts she's having, trying to figure **** out.... 

Maybe it's my age but I FEEL HER PAIN. I'm around her age, late 20's and the **** I've been through is comparable to the theming on this album and I understand the growing pains from early to late twenties. She isn't 22 anymore, she had to do a lot of growing and changing and now that she's in clear place, she is raw and inhibited. I'm grateful for that. 

You can tear it apart note from note but I think in her head the time was right for an album of this nature. She's more relaxed, and this is the album I knew she was always capable of.

[AyaKara 2,282]

The soul that is missing from Joanne is in the lyrics, imo. Many songs are as if Gaga listened to a bunch of country music and then wrote the album in a vacuum after. For instance, 'young wild American, head full of Jameson' or 'Blue collar and a red-state treasure, love junkie on a three-day bender', even most of A-Yo. They're all great songs, they just feel . . . empty and full of country tropes.

Compare this to songs like Joanne, Million Reasons, Angel Down, and Hey Girl that feel very different lyrically to the rest of the album. Just Another Day is so Gaga, too. I don't know.

[DiscoStyx 3,355]

On 09/03/2017 at 4:31 AM, caseymonster said:

let me start this topic from saying that i love joanne for the opportunities it gave to gaga and i do not say that it is a bad album by any standard.

however, i was just going thru gagas ubreleased rock-ish songs. And tbh joanne just lacks soul. When im comparing ayo to MANiCURE. That basic soulless instrumental just hurts my ears! Like it could be amazing with punchy real metal/rock instrumental (but instead we got tubas straight out of shake it off with rock vocals?! whaaaaaaaattttt) or When i compare mr to any other ballad gaga made in the past (except dope), mr just pales in comparison (honest eyes, speechless, brown eyes, captivated, no way, wonderful). And that goes to literary every song on joanne.  Joanne also suffers from too many basic lyrics. Stuff such as "one five ten lay a million on be before the end of the song" where gaga rhymes "me" with "song" just makes me doubt the existance of god. How could she write something so attrocious?                             Or that basic john wayne bridge.   Joanne is trying to sell how relatable gaga and that shes a singer/songwritter. But to me, it just comes off extremely commercially sounding album with close to zero risks taken. Creatively speaking songs like angel down (that lacks a bridge and epic outro) or even dancing in circles (that uses such annoyingly obvious metaphors that cringe me) it seems like gaga is just afraid to be creative anymore. Maybe due to ARTPOPs failure gaga is avoiding something spectacular?! 

Idk, discuss i guess.. 

one five ten, lay a million O-ON

me before the end of this SO-ONG

 

And I completely disagree with what you said