Do You Think Gaga Low Key Dragged Madonna ?

[GaGaBabyOohLala 72]

Read all those GP's comments on Billboards, says it all.  

[jajagaga1896 89]

If Gaga did low-key shade her, then you know what, under the circumstances, I think that's fine. Madonna is full of shade, nastiness, and bitterness. Gaga tolerated a lot from her. She treated her unfairly, calling one of her most important songs "reductive," a year after the controversy over the song occurred - meaning she did it to garner attention for her new album [I think then it was MDNA] Then, as time went on, and it became clear that dissing Gaga was not going to revamp and refresh her career like she seemed to think, she wanted to make nice with Gaga and come to a truce... only for sales and show... of course.

Gaga was honest - and it was time for that. Yes, Madonna gets to be the Queen of Pop, she deserves it, but don't mess with Gaga's deep and true artistry. Gaga only spoke the truth... a glaringly obvious one. One can't always dish it and expect not to get it. 

[later 135]

I don't think she dissed Madonna. I mean, she was accurate. It's not like she said something that Madonna could legitimately contest. Also, it must have been annoying to have a random Madonna comparison thrown at you based on the theme of "issues with one's father." That's really pushing it. I seriously doubt Madonna owns that theme; it's pretty universal; and the interviewer was really stretching to be provocative with the question. Citing family issues is the equivalent of comparing the two artists because they both have recording contracts.

[GeorgeDK 33]

She knows that Madonna writes songs, play guitar and even started her career playing the drums... Gaga should be to clever for thins kind of nonsense... she knows that it will create drama and a cat fight... no need for that... focus on the positive instead of the bitchy nonsense... it might create attention, but it will leave a bad impression... not what anyone needs...

[Princess Zelda 726]

She was just being honest. It sounds like she was dragging her because she exposed Madonna's weaknesses. But it's nothing but the truth. 

[Bellatrix 34,790]

No she didn't. It would be stupid of her since Madonna writes and produces her  music as well.

[Lola 78]

7 hours ago, Wild said:

I don't really care what she says about Madonna at this point. Especially after the "Reductive" fiasco and literally going out of her way to perform Born This Way at her tour. Madonna's attitude towards Gaga and the unnecessary comparisons have always been nonsensical. I'm glad she sticking up for herself. She's taken people's bullshit for too long. 

It's her life story it's different than anyone else's and to take that heartfelt moment and turn it into a papa don't preach comparison was just ridiculous. 

but madonna writes all of her songs! she writes a lot more than gaga in that madonna has less co writers than her, and less producers!

how dare you

[KarmaPolice 4,731]

9 hours ago, CoCo1 said:

It was an extremely pretentious response whether she intended it as a 'drag' or not.

Bro, do you even post something positive about Gaga here?

[Turbogirl 32]

Do I think she personally meant to drag her? I don't know. But her comments will def be perceived that way. But to be clear, Gaga was defending her own career, and was pointing to why she's an artist.

Context matters. And the main criticism of her when Madonna is brought up - is the implication that she steals and borrows music from her. That she's unoriginal and has to ape off others.

Okay, so when someone brings up Madonna, she defends herself as an artist. My point is, her comments about her writing her own music and playing instruments was more about her, and not exactly about Madonna not doing these things.

At least that is how I took it. It will def come off as shade tho given how she transitioned into that comment (because it comes off as this is the difference between us). But I feel people shouldn't react so quickly to what someone says when there is always context and intention behind what people say.

I personally don't think she intended it the way it came out. It was more a defiance against the comparison, and a need to defend her own artistry (that she is a professional musician etc.)

[MLVC 7]

8 hours ago, Rugbyguy said:

Gaga just completely embarrassed herself here #sorrynotsorry

Gaga has just unfortunately reignited this pathetic feud that so many of us want to see dead and buried for good now and she only has herself to blame. She knows damn well that Madonna plays instruments, writes and co writes her own music and produces/co produces as well. Even BloodPop who worked with Madonna on Devil Pray (incidentally a track featuring the very sound Gaga chose for Joanne) stated publicly how involved Madonna is in the process.

Heck Madonna even started out in bands in the early 80's playing drums, guitar, singing and writing her own material and Gaga who used to mad Stan for Madonna (check out the liner notes on The Fame if you don't believe me) knows this. 

What is her ****ing problem? The feud never bothered me until now. I still love and play Born This Way to this day but Gaga has out and out lied about Madonna. And saying that her art is down to just 'rehearsal' is ridiculous. Gaga like all pop entertainers rehearses before performing live and rehearses hard which has been confirmed by a dancer she once used who also happened to work for Madonna. He happened to comment that Gaga was the hardest working person he'd ever met. What gives with this bitch?

This whole 'I'm an effortless hipster chick' thing now is just total bullshit and EMBARASSINGLY try hard and inauthentic. I won't be purchasing Joanne now and will never purchase another Gaga record again until she comes down a few pegs and stops lying to her fans. 

Incidentally Madonna has just been nominated for the 2017 Songwriting Hall of Fame.

As someone who enjoyed both artists equally, I feel the same way unfortunately.  I respect her artistry and wish her the best, but she continues to perpetuate this silly feud and I'm done.  Its too bad really, I do enjoy her music.  She's gotten too pretentious for my taste; it's pop music after all. 

[lego 44,165]

8 hours ago, Rugbyguy said:

Gaga just completely embarrassed herself here #sorrynotsorry

Gaga has just unfortunately reignited this pathetic feud that so many of us want to see dead and buried for good now and she only has herself to blame. She knows damn well that Madonna plays instruments, writes and co writes her own music and produces/co produces as well. Even BloodPop who worked with Madonna on Devil Pray (incidentally a track featuring the very sound Gaga chose for Joanne) stated publicly how involved Madonna is in the process.

Heck Madonna even started out in bands in the early 80's playing drums, guitar, singing and writing her own material and Gaga who used to mad Stan for Madonna (check out the liner notes on The Fame if you don't believe me) knows this. 

What is her ****ing problem? The feud never bothered me until now. I still love and play Born This Way to this day but Gaga has out and out lied about Madonna. And saying that her art is down to just 'rehearsal' is ridiculous. Gaga like all pop entertainers rehearses before performing live and rehearses hard which has been confirmed by a dancer she once used who also happened to work for Madonna. He happened to comment that Gaga was the hardest working person he'd ever met. What gives with this bitch?

This whole 'I'm an effortless hipster chick' thing now is just total bullshit and EMBARASSINGLY try hard and inauthentic. I won't be purchasing Joanne now and will never purchase another Gaga record again until she comes down a few pegs and stops lying to her fans. 

Incidentally Madonna has just been nominated for the 2017 Songwriting Hall of Fame.

 

 

 

You were never going to buy her music anyway.  

What's with all the newbie trolls?

[lego 44,165]

3 minutes ago, MLVC said:

As someone who enjoyed both artists equally, I feel the same way unfortunately.  I respect her artistry and wish her the best, but she continues to perpetuate this silly feud and I'm done.  Its too bad really, I do enjoy her music.  She's gotten too pretentious for my taste; it's pop music after all. 

 

Did you just sign up to drag her? You people are too transparent.  

[MLVC 7]

3 hours ago, later said:

8 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

Did you just sign up to drag her? You people are too transparent.  

I've been lurking here for a while because I LOVE her music and her artistry. I don't feel like I need to prove my fan credentials but  I've been to all her tours (as far back as the T-Mobile show with Kelly Clarkson) and own all her music on multiple formats.  I like this forum because for the most part it offers and intelligent discussion that didn't resort to "old hag" or "granny" comments when referring to Madonna and her legacy.   

Its just unfortunate she had to take the bait when the question was asked.  

 

[Turbogirl 32]

14 minutes ago, MLVC said:

I've been lurking here for a while because I LOVE her music and her artistry. I don't feel like I need to prove my fan credentials but  I've been to all her tours (as far back as the T-Mobile show with Kelly Clarkson) and own all her music on multiple formats.  I like this forum because for the most part it offers and intelligent discussion that didn't resort to "old hag" or "granny" comments when referring to Madonna and her legacy.   

Its just unfortunate she had to take the bait when the question was asked.  

 

 

I mean to be fair, the media has been unusually harsh on her, and have used this criticism a lot to get a reaction from her. She's only human.

And like I said context matters. Intent matters. Madonna comparisons = she steals her music, she apes things from others because she's not original.

She is putting out a new album she put her all into, and someone in the media decides to awkwardly bring this up. Regardless of how you feel about Zane Lowe, the question wasn't set up as a discussion about how she feels. It felt like more bait as you put it.

In that context, her comments were about defending herself as an artist. I truly think people taking this as "Madonna doesn't do this" - are taking it the wrong way. Her answer was more about defending herself against a specific criticism.

I do think the way things transitioned made it sound like she's saying "she doesn't do this, but I do". But it seems silly to look at the whole context of the conversation, and then conclude that the entire point was to throw shade at her. Gaga even compliments her in the set up. Her anger was more directed towards the media (Zane in this case).

I just think people are way too quick to react to something without looking at the intent and why it was said. Because what I see is not someone saying "they don't write their own music", rather "I'm being accused of ripping others off. But I'm a professionally trained musician and I play several instruments and write all my songs".

 

[Lola 78]

7 minutes ago, Turbogirl said:

 

I mean to be fair, the media has been unusually harsh on her, and have used this criticism a lot to get a reaction from her. She's only human.

And like I said context matters. Intent matters. Madonna comparisons = she steals her music, she apes things from others because she's not original.

She is putting out a new album she put her all into, and someone in the media decides to awkwardly bring this up. Regardless of how you feel about Zane Lowe, the question wasn't set up as a discussion about how she feels. It felt like more bait as you put it.

In that context, her comments were about defending herself as an artist. I truly think people taking this as "Madonna doesn't do this" - are taking it the wrong way. Her answer was more about defending herself against a specific criticism.

I do think the way things transitioned made it sound like she's saying "she doesn't do this, but I do". But it seems silly to look at the whole context of the conversation, and then conclude that the entire point was to throw shade at her. Gaga even compliments her in the set up. Her anger was more directed towards the media (Zane in this case).

I just think people are way too quick to react to something without looking at the intent and why it was said. Because what I see is not someone saying "they don't write their own music", rather "I'm being accused of ripping others off. But I'm a professionally trained musician and I play several instruments and write all my songs".

 

and gaga has never stolen anything?

madonna has a lot more songwriting credit than gaga, she's a co writer from almost all her songs. and that list of co writers is NOT long.

gaga said she produced venus, but then we saw she took samples from a youtube artist and there were many other producers who worked on it. so she lied. gaga isnt that original either.

but that said, aside from a few songs in a long career, 99% of madonna's songs are original and self written

gaga fans and gaga have to stop making up things