Leaf 2,429 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Just now, Bebe said: Of course Trump has denied the allegations! So has Bill Clinton! You are outraged at Bill Clinton, and I'm not even trying to say you shouldn't be, but are you also outraged at Trump who has the same sort of evidence against him? I am not outraged. Settlement, outside of court. I simply stated a fact; Bill Clinton is a rapist. "Well, I would say that everyone should be believed at first until they are disbelieved based on evidence." Bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, Leaf said: I am not outraged. Settlement, outside of court. I simply stated a fact; Bill Clinton is a rapist. "Well, I would say that everyone should be believed at first until they are disbelieved based on evidence." Bullshit. Then Trump is a rapist is a fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,289 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Just now, Leaf said: I am not outraged. Settlement, outside of court. I simply stated a fact; Bill Clinton is a rapist. "Well, I would say that everyone should be believed at first until they are disbelieved based on evidence." Bullshit. You're not stating the same 'fact' about Trump though. Seemingly you are only only willing to condemn Bill Clinton as a rapist, due to the allegations against him, but you don't seem to be willing to say the same thing about Trump due to the allegations against him. Will you say Donald Trump is a rapist? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaf 2,429 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Whispering said: Then Trump is a rapist is a fact. Bill Clinton abused his power over women in the White House. Allegations and accusations which is a common practice and tactic within the Clinton campaign (leaked DNC e-mails for more). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaf 2,429 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, Bebe said: Will you say Donald Trump is a rapist? Loaded question (I know my logical fallacies like the back of my hand). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Just now, Leaf said: Bill Clinton abused his power over women in the White House. Trump abused his power as a husband and a man who had great wealth and power. Trump abused his power as a boss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Just now, Leaf said: Loaded question (I know my logical fallacies like the back of my hand). Just answer yes of no. Is Trump a rapist? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manyatyau 262 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I'm a bit off topic But what does it have to do with Hilary? What should you guys be focusing on is their politics. No one is perfect. Trump is bad, Hilary is bad, both are bad. the most important thing is to find someone who can LEAD the country. Im sick of how people care more about silly sh't then their ideology. Ive told my friend to grab my **** too; I have had sex at school as well. Does that make me a horrible horrible person? I hate how people ended up discussing useless topics that are totally non related. They are not a saint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaf 2,429 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, Whispering said: Trump abused his power as a husband and a man who had great wealth and power. Trump abused his power as a boss. Accusations and allegations, which have no merit or foundation on evidence. I deal in evidence (that I provided), and to which you had no intellectual or substantive response to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, stvn said: She was doing her job as a lawyer, which you still don't understand. It is her duty to give him the best defense he can get. He was guilty, but if he hadn't been he would deserve that same benefit of the doubt. You don't get how things work, you just really don't. I'm not a fan of the way Bill treats women, but that isn't the point here. "Getting more profit is not a bad thing," you say. Okay, you still don't understand. She did a lot of things early in her career that were tough, not easy, and didn't pay well. She got kids in school who were being discriminated against. She went door to door for the Children's Defense Fund. I literally don't see what your point is in saying that she should have just went to work for a normal, big firm. "She is known for stealing money," you also say. Okay, but then you say "let's not get into it." Yeah, you probably don't want to get into it because you don't have any facts worth mentioning. You can't just repeat talking points that you hear that have little basis in reality and not defend them. You don't know what you're talking about. Let's talk about it. I dare you to show me when and how she "stole money." You brought it up. I'm waiting. "It's not acceptable for an lawyer to lie, and they can be disbarred for doing so. lawyers are not supposed to lie, but they can’t necessarily prevent their clients from lying. In such a case an attorney may allow the client to take the stand and offer testimony without the attorney's participation." So as you can see, it is not acceptable for a lawyer to lie and Hilary did not just lie, she even attacked the 11 year old girl and called her mentally ill and seeker of older men! On January 12, 2010 a massive 7.0 earthquake struck Haiti killing over 300,000 people and 300,000 Haitians suffered from injuries, with another 1.3 million displaced. The devastation created new opportunities for predators to take full advantage of the situation and use the tragedy to prey upon the victims for personal gain and profit. The country was declared open for business and while the Haitian people suffered the Clintons cashed in. The Clintons acted as the savior of Haiti and raised 12 million in donation from the Clinton Foundation but only 2% was given to Haiti while they took the rest of the money. The Clintons are friends with Haiti government rich family members that allow the Clintons to use the land for profit and share that money together leaving its people poorer. Haiti is even worse than it was back in 2010. They built 37,000 houses which is not alot and none of the housing was long term or sustainable.. most programs have simply provided temporary measures, such as the construction of temporary shelters and the allocation of rental subsidies. Today, people still live under tends with no homes. Instead of helping the people, they built a 20 million dollar soccer field in Haiti!! The Clinton and the UN then brought Cholera with them that created an outbreak effecting 700,000 Haitians that had become ill with cholera and caused the death of 10,000 people. They did not do much effort to help the victims! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,289 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 5 minutes ago, Leaf said: Loaded question (I know my logical fallacies like the back of my hand). It's not a loaded question (You might need to revise your logical fallacies). Lets break it down. The evidence against Bill Clinton is that there are a load of women claiming he sexually assaulted them. You claim that Bill Clinton is a rapist based upon this evidence. The evidence against Donald Trump is that there are a load of women claiming he sexually assaulted them. You seem unwilling to claim Donald Trump is a rapist based upon this evidence. That's hypocritical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, Fay said: "It's not acceptable for an lawyer to lie, and they can be disbarred for doing so. lawyers are not supposed to lie, but they can’t necessarily prevent their clients from lying. In such a case an attorney may allow the client to take the stand and offer testimony without the attorney's participation." So as you can see, it is not acceptable for a lawyer to lie and Hilary did not just lie, she even attacked the 11 year old girl and called her mentally ill and seeker of older men! On January 12, 2010 a massive 7.0 earthquake struck Haiti killing over 300,000 people and 300,000 Haitians suffered from injuries, with another 1.3 million displaced. The devastation created new opportunities for predators to take full advantage of the situation and use the tragedy to prey upon the victims for personal gain and profit. The country was declared open for business and while the Haitian people suffered the Clintons cashed in. The Clintons acted as the savior of Haiti and raised 12 million in donation from the Clinton Foundation but only 2% was given to Haiti while they took the rest of the money. The Clintons are friends with Haiti government rich family members that allow the Clintons to use the land for profit and share that money together leaving its people poorer. Haiti is even worse than it was back in 2010. They built 37,000 houses which is not alot and none of the housing was long term or sustainable.. most programs have simply provided temporary measures, such as the construction of temporary shelters and the allocation of rental subsidies. Today, people still live under tends with no homes. Instead of helping the people, they built a 20 million dollar soccer field in Haiti!! The Clinton and the UN then brought Cholera with them that created an outbreak effecting 700,000 Haitians that had become ill with cholera and caused the death of 10,000 people. They did not do much effort to help the victims! lol this is all such bs youtube truther idiocy, and I'm tired of responding to your uneducated comments. this is just absolutely without basis in reality. the clinton foundation gives almost all of its money directly to causes around the world. you're on some conspiracy stuff, just so you know. I would love to enlighten you further, as I've been trying to do, but you aren't receptive to the truth so I'm done I think. Clinton Cash and all the similar videos you've just copy/pasted without any understanding of what you're saying has already been thoroughly debunked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaf 2,429 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, Bebe said: It's not a loaded question (You might need to revise your logical fallacies). Lets break it down. The evidence against Bill Clinton is that there are a load of women claiming he sexually assaulted them. You claim that Bill Clinton is a rapist based upon this evidence. The evidence against Donald Trump is that there are a load of women claiming he sexually assaulted them. You seem unwilling to claim Donald Trump is a rapist based upon this evidence. That's hypocritical. *which he settled out of court with a cash payment, and Monica Lewinsky By extension Hillary is a war criminal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,289 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 6 hours ago, Leaf said: *which he settled out of court with a cash payment, and Monica Lewinsky By extension Hillary is a war criminal. None of what you just said has any relevance to what is being discussed There is also no logical link between Bill Clinton settled a claim out of court with a cash payment and "By extension Hillary is a war criminal." I mean at this point it's impossible to talk to you. Your statements are bizarre and erratic. Let me try once more: Women have accused Bill Clinton of sexually assaulting/raping them. One such case lead to an out of court settlement. Based on this evidence you conclude: It's a fact that Bill Clinton is a rapist. Women have accused Donald Trump of sexually assaulting/raping them. One such case lead to an out of court settlement. Based on this evidence, is your conclusion on Donald Trump the same? Both have multiple women accuse them, both have settled such cases out of court. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, stvn said: lol this is all such bs youtube truther idiocy, and I'm tired of responding to your uneducated comments. this is just absolutely without basis in reality. the clinton foundation gives almost all of its money directly to causes around the world. you're on some conspiracy stuff, just so you know. I would love to enlighten you further, as I've been trying to do, but you aren't receptive to the truth so I'm done I think. Clinton Cash and all the similar videos you've just copy/pasted without any understanding of what you're saying has already been thoroughly debunked. The first videos is from one of the biggest news channels in the world.. the second video is a real documentary in haiti.. the third video is a big protests by the people of haiti.. none of these are truther idiocy or conspiracy! I did say I did not want to get into this yet you insisted and now you tell me you wont response because of my uneducated comments! Also, I did not just post videos, I also commented about Hilary and Haiti which you ignored. In your two comments, you have made zero argument.. all you said is that I was wrong and you are right! Dont even waste your time responding to this as you seem to be very defensive and taking this personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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