LaLuna 12,732 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 27 minutes ago, Bad Bromance said: I'll bet you anything that if Perfect Illusion turns out to be a sleeper hit like Just Dance and it reaches the # 1 spot on the BB Hot 100, all of a sudden the song will no longer receive so much hate in this site like it's receiving now. What I've come to realize is that what this fan base is after isn't Gaga's new music. Yes, it's the music, but most importantly the stans are just after the kill. They want Gaga to break records and be the most successful artist in music history because they want to have the receipts to throw them in the face of all of Gaga's haters. In other words, they want to feel validated for stanning for Lady Gaga. Very sad, isn't it? To be honest, that's the wrong reason to stan for an artist because that means all they care about is the success of an artist and not really their music and artistry. Couldn't agree more Don't worry little managers/complainers, when you grow up you'll eventually stop living vicariously through your fave and chart success won't matter as much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 13 minutes ago, Wisdomless1 said: I love everything you wrote, wonderful statement and I'm glad more people are posting to fight the negativity that doesn't belong here. Thank you ¿Qué currículum tiene ésta tarántula? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres Miller 206 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 22 hours ago, Torsoface said: It wasn't nearly this bad during AP era. Aura leak gave LIFE and applause was (almost) instant bop. But PI is just 'meh' Are you kidding me. Were you here during the AP era?? The media gave her a lashing that she'll never forget (she almost quit pop music) and she lost a lot of fans but gained many as well. So far this era the "fans" are the only ones giving her that kind of a lashing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HANZ 4,380 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 15 hours ago, KURUSHITOVSKA said: No one is asking you to buy anything and you can leave if all you will do is jude her work cause it's not the style you like I still bought it tho, I'm gonna judge what I paid for, I have the right plus I only did it to support her cause I still believe in her so she should feel grateful at least and stop acting like you are better than us, this is called freedom of speech My Favs = Lady Gaga, Janet Jackson, Ricky Martin, AKB48 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagas love 722 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 On 9/18/2016 at 8:37 PM, KURUSHITOVSKA said: I see so much negativity since Perfect Illusion was released. It happened the same when ARTPOP was released but I wasn't here, now I can talk to you. People are hating PI because it's too indie. Ok, we are used to Gaga giving us pop music. If you don't like her current sound, she isn't asking you to buy it. "Perfect Illusion is too rock". Hello? Gaga said months ago that she was tired of being a money making machine. Have you listened to Red And Blue? Have you seen her performances at the Bitter End and Lollapalooza 2007? Do you see a popstar there? I DON'T. And there weren't record labels managing her during that era. She was just making the music she wanted to do. Of course she and Interscope knew they weren't going too far with that sound. Disco Heaven, Brown Eyes and Disco Heaven are from 2007, do you really think she'd succeed with that sound? I DONT. Of course she had to make pop music and work with the biggest producer around to become huge, she isn't silly. All her songs are written on a piano, and I'm completely sure she'd have preferred for Poker Face to sound more rockish than pop. Gaga is now making themusic she's always loved to do. She is a fan of Bowie and she's always said that, since the beginning. I know she likes You And I more than Judas. If you don't like that Gaga is now having freedom to make what she likes, you can live. We all knowher next album won't be like Joanne. "Perfect Illusion is a huge flop". How? "Into You" peaked at 17 on the Hot100 with promo at the BBMA and Dangerous Woman being released at that time. It's still one of the best pop songs released this year. Of course we see Cheap Thrills being a hit. We see Closer too. Are they really important? Sia's discography from before she became huge is way better than what she's releasing now that she is relevant. No one will remember the Chainsmokers next year, and they're behind a HUGE promo plan, just like Interscope did in 2008 with their new artist Lady GaGa, if you didn't know her at that time, you will never know what is promo for a new artist because she literally performed Poker Face at EVERY tv show. "Gaga is fake, she is real now" JUST NO! She's always been real, but she knew she had to make something sellable to be recognized. She is a complete artist, not a singer. She loved The Fame, Born This Way and ARTPOP as much as she loved CTC, it's just that they happened at different times in her career and life. I don't like the same music I liked 10 years ago. We all have grown up, she has too, and super fast. Some of those who complain about her being flopping would never have the courage to appear in front of the whole world almost naked or in a meat dress, or perform in front of 100 or 50.000 people. See how much courage she's had to have to be where she is today. Can you imagine being an artist and wanting to make something and the company saying "No, this is too weird,it won't sell". Oh, Brooklyn Nights isn't on ARTPOP, right? Imagine yourself creating a song,writting and composing it, and then someone else deciding it's too crap for them to buy it. This happens all the time with every artist. It's not that they have the songs already selected and they call a singer to just record them, and this happens too, we all know who are they. Do you prefer Gaga releasing her OWN music but floping, or just releasing what the company wants her to release to only have a #1 on the charts? "Lady Gaga is a FLOP". Really? the girl is talented enough to make, and I say MAKE music and art. Lemonade is considered a hit, right? it's sold 1 million in the US. Beyoncé's whole discography has sold 17,2 million. Do you know what album has outsold Beyoncé's discography? The Fame + Monster. An album and an EP have outsold a whole discography by someone that is considered legendary, and I agree Beyonce is legendary, there's no shade here, just an example of it all. Streaming is now the most important thing in music industry along with digital sales. Do you know? iTunes keeps 40% of the earnings of each sale. Here comes the numbers now! Now that streaming and digital sales are important, record labels aren't interested in promoting artists that are already established. And it's obvious. We see The Chainsmokers are now on the #1 because their label is making so much promo for them. They're new. And they know they can't have a strong fanbase so they have to promote the music for people to buy it and then make some money. Gaga is already established. They made EVERYTHING to build a strong fanbase, and that with her proven love for her fans, it works. Why would you invest money to promote a song that, if we talk only about iTunes sales, will only give you 60% of the benefits? Artists make so little money from the actual music, it all goes to marketers, labels, etc. If a song is 1,29$, they will only earn 0,77 cents from it. If the song sells 1 million, they'd make 770.000$. Selling a million is considered a good thing, right? They already know her fanbase will buy the product, so at least they will make some money from it. Knowing that Gaga is already famous, they don't have to invest in promotion because they already have those "clients" to buy the product. Maybe they're not MILLIONS, but it will be something at least. Gaga being established now means that a fanbase will attend her shows. And there's where the good money is made! Did you see Beyoncé promoting Lemonade? Nope. She performed at the SuperBowl and then announced her tour and tickets went on sale shortly after. She did the same with "Beyonce". One iTunes sale from a song will give Gaga 0,77 cents. One ticket sale will give her at least 60$. Of course they have to rent the venue, pay promoters, stage etc. but one arena with 20.000 people and 20.000 tickets sold at 80$ average, that's 1.600.000$ for ONE night. If a song sells a million copies, they make 770.000$. If she sells out an arena one night, they double that. Would you pay money to promote something that will give you less than one show? I wouldn't. And you know what? People will be interested in seeing her live after seeing her performance at the Oscars 2015 and 2016, the Grammys, the SuperBowl with the Anthem. Now they know she is amazing live and they will be interested, even if Perfect Illusion doesn't sound like a mega radio hit. Promo with Gaga is about "see this girl because she really can". Madonna sold out the Rebel Heart Tour and the album was a huge flop. But people knew who is Madonna so they went to see her. And she has a fanbase, but there were a lot of people just going there because "she is Madonna". Did people actually loved Lemonade so much? Or is Beyoncé selling out the Formation Tour because people know "She is Beyonce". Well, after the promo Bobby has done from Cheek to Cheek to the first half of 2016, people know now what is Gaga live. So stop complaining about album or single sales because all the money they make from those sales goes to the companies. People don't even buy music now with streaming. few people buy CDs nowadays. Of course, The Immaculate Collection sold 12978937493 million copies, but that was the only way to get the music in the 90s. Of course The Fame and The Fame Monster sold a lot, Spotify wasn't huge at that time. Born This Way sold 8 million copies in 2011, and Spotify already existed but streaming wasn't being counted, that means she already had a fanbase, not because it was promoted, it was, of course, but . ARTPOP flopped!? Oh yes it didn't sell a lot, but there are so little albums that have really sold A LOT from 2013 to 2016. Yes, Adele did, but she is the queen of GP and they have jobs and can buy the music, they won't use streaming. Even Cheek to Cheek sold really good in the US. Do you think teenagers went to buy that album? Do you really think her fanbase bought a million copies of C2C in the US? No, that was the GP. Starstruck selling almost a million? that was the GP too. if you really want Gaga to be around for a long tiime, save money from where you can and buy tickets to her shows. They already knew with ARTPOP that the tour would sell well, they already knew it with the Formation Tour, they knew it with the Rebel Heart Tour, and they know it for the Joanne Tour. Sorry for writting the Bible, but next time I see anyone complaining about things they don't know about, I'll just link them to this post. omg thanks man. i hate how the stupid ass mods here focus on stupid ass bans and warning points when they should just be shutting down every negative stupid thread. these basic ass fans are so annoying. ugh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagas love 722 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 dont stress too much, these people think they know more than her whole team and label put together. feel sorry for them cause they dont know how to listen to a song and just enjoy it and not have to compare it to other songs in her past discography or compare it to other artists lol so weird. honestly i dont care if gaga is ever on top again because she had her time. she can have it again but im just blessed shes alive and still making music. i like her for her art. i didnt become a fan because she had number ones. beyonce is like a massive success and honestly the bitch is boring lol. and overrated . Im glad gaga isnt everywhere and in everyones face. because i dont have to hear other peple hate on her success. success isnt something that only has validity if it lasts your whole life. gaga has already succeeded. she can retire. she made it. she ruled. she has gone farther than i will ever go even if i tried. so can we stop acting like she has to prove anything? she already has. ughhhhhh this is why she hates us. lololol. id be so hurt if i made music and my fans were my worst critics. such a shame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagas love 722 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 9 minutes ago, AKB48 said: I still bought it tho, I'm gonna judge what I paid for, I have the right plus I only did it to support her cause I still believe in her so she should feel grateful at least and stop acting like you are better than us, this is called freedom of speech freedom of speech is overrated because people think it means they can spew ignorant hate and it be okay. learn to love life for what it is and stop tying to make everything the way you want it. youll never be happy. i feel bad if you ever have kids, youll probably make them feel so unworthy and not up to par with what you want your kids to be. BTW i hope you never work your ass of only for those buying your product to make you feel like a failure. I feel bad for people as unhappy as yall flop fans. lol legit. you dont know how to love. your ego gets the better of you. I pray you learn how to take life for what it is and enjoy it because if you die tomorrow, all you did was say negative things just because you have the freedom to. im glad gaga made a song called hey girl. its not just about lifting women up its about just lifting us all up. not tearing down. have you ever been sad and someone came and made you feel even less valuable? fans like you are the first to cry like bitches and be like omg i miss her when she dies. value her art now, not later. be glad she even came back and made us an album. she could have stuck with jazz or just stopped making music for us. she said in the interview of southbysouthwest that she wanted to just go back to the underground lubs and leave all this behind. and im just glad she even released a new song. I bet come the next era, youre gonna be so antsy for a lead single release again but youre gonna be ungrateful again i bet. shame shame . btw dont be pressed, its my opinion, freedom of speech Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HANZ 4,380 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 minute ago, Gagas love said: freedom of speech is overrated because people think it means they can spew ignorant hate and it be okay. learn to love life for what it is and stop tying to make everything the way you want it. youll never be happy. i feel bad if you ever have kids, youll probably make them feel so unworthy and not up to par with what you want your kids to be. BTW i hope you never work your ass of only for those buying your product to make you feel like a failure. I feel bad for people as unhappy as yall flop fans. lol legit. you dont know how to love. your ego gets the better of you. I pray you learn how to take life for what it is and enjoy it because if you die tomorrow, all you did was say negative things just because you have the freedom to. im glad gaga made a song called hey girl. its not just about lifting women up its about just lifting us all up. not tearing down. have you ever been sad and someone came and made you feel even less valuable? fans like you are the first to cry like bitches and be like omg i miss her when she dies. value her art now, not later. be glad she even came back and made us an album. she could have stuck with jazz or just stopped making music for us. she said in the interview of southbysouthwest that she wanted to just go back to the underground lubs and leave all this behind. and im just glad she even released a new song. I bet come the next era, youre gonna be so antsy for a lead single release again but youre gonna be ungrateful again i bet. shame shame . btw dont be pressed, its my opinion, freedom of speech not you saying that just because I don't like PI and I'm not afraid to say it, don't overrract My Favs = Lady Gaga, Janet Jackson, Ricky Martin, AKB48 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaTheExplorer 3,053 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 On 18/9/2016 at 8:07 PM, KURUSHITOVSKA said: I see so much negativity since Perfect Illusion was released. It happened the same when ARTPOP was released but I wasn't here, now I can talk to you. People are hating PI because it's too indie. Ok, we are used to Gaga giving us pop music. If you don't like her current sound, she isn't asking you to buy it. "Perfect Illusion is too rock". Hello? Gaga said months ago that she was tired of being a money making machine. Have you listened to Red And Blue? Have you seen her performances at the Bitter End and Lollapalooza 2007? Do you see a popstar there? I DON'T. And there weren't record labels managing her during that era. She was just making the music she wanted to do. Of course she and Interscope knew they weren't going too far with that sound. Disco Heaven, Brown Eyes and Disco Heaven are from 2007, do you really think she'd succeed with that sound? I DONT. Of course she had to make pop music and work with the biggest producer around to become huge, she isn't silly. All her songs are written on a piano, and I'm completely sure she'd have preferred for Poker Face to sound more rockish than pop. Gaga is now making themusic she's always loved to do. She is a fan of Bowie and she's always said that, since the beginning. I know she likes You And I more than Judas. If you don't like that Gaga is now having freedom to make what she likes, you can live. We all knowher next album won't be like Joanne. "Perfect Illusion is a huge flop". How? "Into You" peaked at 17 on the Hot100 with promo at the BBMA and Dangerous Woman being released at that time. It's still one of the best pop songs released this year. Of course we see Cheap Thrills being a hit. We see Closer too. Are they really important? Sia's discography from before she became huge is way better than what she's releasing now that she is relevant. No one will remember the Chainsmokers next year, and they're behind a HUGE promo plan, just like Interscope did in 2008 with their new artist Lady GaGa, if you didn't know her at that time, you will never know what is promo for a new artist because she literally performed Poker Face at EVERY tv show. "Gaga is fake, she is real now" JUST NO! She's always been real, but she knew she had to make something sellable to be recognized. She is a complete artist, not a singer. She loved The Fame, Born This Way and ARTPOP as much as she loved CTC, it's just that they happened at different times in her career and life. I don't like the same music I liked 10 years ago. We all have grown up, she has too, and super fast. Some of those who complain about her being flopping would never have the courage to appear in front of the whole world almost naked or in a meat dress, or perform in front of 100 or 50.000 people. See how much courage she's had to have to be where she is today. Can you imagine being an artist and wanting to make something and the company saying "No, this is too weird,it won't sell". Oh, Brooklyn Nights isn't on ARTPOP, right? Imagine yourself creating a song,writting and composing it, and then someone else deciding it's too crap for them to buy it. This happens all the time with every artist. It's not that they have the songs already selected and they call a singer to just record them, and this happens too, we all know who are they. Do you prefer Gaga releasing her OWN music but floping, or just releasing what the company wants her to release to only have a #1 on the charts? "Lady Gaga is a FLOP". Really? the girl is talented enough to make, and I say MAKE music and art. Lemonade is considered a hit, right? it's sold 1 million in the US. Beyoncé's whole discography has sold 17,2 million. Do you know what album has outsold Beyoncé's discography? The Fame + Monster. An album and an EP have outsold a whole discography by someone that is considered legendary, and I agree Beyonce is legendary, there's no shade here, just an example of it all. Streaming is now the most important thing in music industry along with digital sales. Do you know? iTunes keeps 40% of the earnings of each sale. Here comes the numbers now! Now that streaming and digital sales are important, record labels aren't interested in promoting artists that are already established. And it's obvious. We see The Chainsmokers are now on the #1 because their label is making so much promo for them. They're new. And they know they can't have a strong fanbase so they have to promote the music for people to buy it and then make some money. Gaga is already established. They made EVERYTHING to build a strong fanbase, and that with her proven love for her fans, it works. Why would you invest money to promote a song that, if we talk only about iTunes sales, will only give you 60% of the benefits? Artists make so little money from the actual music, it all goes to marketers, labels, etc. If a song is 1,29$, they will only earn 0,77 cents from it. If the song sells 1 million, they'd make 770.000$. Selling a million is considered a good thing, right? They already know her fanbase will buy the product, so at least they will make some money from it. Knowing that Gaga is already famous, they don't have to invest in promotion because they already have those "clients" to buy the product. Maybe they're not MILLIONS, but it will be something at least. Gaga being established now means that a fanbase will attend her shows. And there's where the good money is made! Did you see Beyoncé promoting Lemonade? Nope. She performed at the SuperBowl and then announced her tour and tickets went on sale shortly after. She did the same with "Beyonce". One iTunes sale from a song will give Gaga 0,77 cents. One ticket sale will give her at least 60$. Of course they have to rent the venue, pay promoters, stage etc. but one arena with 20.000 people and 20.000 tickets sold at 80$ average, that's 1.600.000$ for ONE night. If a song sells a million copies, they make 770.000$. If she sells out an arena one night, they double that. Would you pay money to promote something that will give you less than one show? I wouldn't. And you know what? People will be interested in seeing her live after seeing her performance at the Oscars 2015 and 2016, the Grammys, the SuperBowl with the Anthem. Now they know she is amazing live and they will be interested, even if Perfect Illusion doesn't sound like a mega radio hit. Promo with Gaga is about "see this girl because she really can". Madonna sold out the Rebel Heart Tour and the album was a huge flop. But people knew who is Madonna so they went to see her. And she has a fanbase, but there were a lot of people just going there because "she is Madonna". Did people actually loved Lemonade so much? Or is Beyoncé selling out the Formation Tour because people know "She is Beyonce". Well, after the promo Bobby has done from Cheek to Cheek to the first half of 2016, people know now what is Gaga live. So stop complaining about album or single sales because all the money they make from those sales goes to the companies. People don't even buy music now with streaming. few people buy CDs nowadays. Of course, The Immaculate Collection sold 12978937493 million copies, but that was the only way to get the music in the 90s. Of course The Fame and The Fame Monster sold a lot, Spotify wasn't huge at that time. Born This Way sold 8 million copies in 2011, and Spotify already existed but streaming wasn't being counted, that means she already had a fanbase, not because it was promoted, it was, of course, but . ARTPOP flopped!? Oh yes it didn't sell a lot, but there are so little albums that have really sold A LOT from 2013 to 2016. Yes, Adele did, but she is the queen of GP and they have jobs and can buy the music, they won't use streaming. Even Cheek to Cheek sold really good in the US. Do you think teenagers went to buy that album? Do you really think her fanbase bought a million copies of C2C in the US? No, that was the GP. Starstruck selling almost a million? that was the GP too. if you really want Gaga to be around for a long tiime, save money from where you can and buy tickets to her shows. They already knew with ARTPOP that the tour would sell well, they already knew it with the Formation Tour, they knew it with the Rebel Heart Tour, and they know it for the Joanne Tour. Sorry for writting the Bible, but next time I see anyone complaining about things they don't know about, I'll just link them to this post. too long to read, im in my knees right now, ooh ohh im so sick of the same old post... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagas love 722 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 3 hours ago, high heeled fem said: PI is pop and a electro hit nit like she's playing country music but who cares if she did? Look at Taylor's early music just ENJOY THE RIDE YALL VIDEO OUT TODAY yes just be happy and enjoy. try to hear the song. i bet these people havent like sat and truly tried to hear every single insrument and voice gargle lol. love the gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451 Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 9 minutes ago, GagaTheExplorer said: too long to read, im in my knees right now, ooh ohh im so sick of the same old post... Did you have to quote the whole post to say this? It's too long yet it has almost half the likes you have in total so there are people that actually enjoyed it. Omg. Reported btw. ¿Qué currículum tiene ésta tarántula? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451 Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 31 minutes ago, AKB48 said: I still bought it tho, I'm gonna judge what I paid for, I have the right plus I only did it to support her cause I still believe in her so she should feel grateful at least and stop acting like you are better than us, this is called freedom of speech No one is acting here. Maybe it's you all that can't accept people loving the music and maybe it's you that have to be right about an only opinion. ¿Qué currículum tiene ésta tarántula? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HANZ 4,380 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 15 minutes ago, KURUSHITOVSKA said: No one is acting here. Maybe it's you all that can't accept people loving the music and maybe it's you that have to be right about an only opinion. more like some of you can't accept the fact that not all of us are gonna like everything she does, not like we should anyway we should stop here I'm not here for a WP My Favs = Lady Gaga, Janet Jackson, Ricky Martin, AKB48 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Bromance 5,809 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 19 hours ago, KURUSHITOVSKA said: No one is acting here. Maybe it's you all that can't accept people loving the music and maybe it's you that have to be right about an only opinion. I think we're all wrong about the meaning of Perfect Illusion. Gaga didn't write that song about Taylor Kinney or Troy Carter. Perfect Illusion is about her supposed fans known as Little Monsters. Listen to the lyrics and it all now makes sense to me since we're the ones who crucified her more so than the media did back in 2013 and a lot of the so-called fans are at it again this era. I don't care what you think about unless it is about me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagas love 722 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 8 hours ago, Bad Bromance said: I think we're all wrong about the meaning of Perfect Illusion. Gaga didn't write that song about Taylor Kinney or Troy Carter. Perfect Illusion is about her supposed fans known as Little Monsters. Listen to the lyrics and it all now makes sense to me since we're the ones who crucified her more so than the media did back in 2013 and a lot of the so-called fans are at it again this era. "caught up in your show yeah at least now i know it wasnt love, it wasnt love" she thought her fans support and obesession was love. but it wasnt. to love someone is not to like a part her and a part there, no you need to support them and love them unconditionally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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