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Voltaire

I am sad that we allowed the opportunity to have him as our president pass us by. I don't think there is an example so blatant as this for leaving the best candidate out of the race. 

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LibraLove

He was the best candidate this country had running and he was screwed out of the nomination for an unlikable, untrustworthy woman and now we're going to end up with Trump thanks to her.

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Morphine Prince
1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

I am sad that we allowed the opportunity to have him as our president pass us by. I don't think there is an example so blatant as this for leaving the best candidate out of the race. 

I think if Clinton had not run he would've gotten it. She was too hard to beat. A big name and she's been in so many positions. She had the upper hand ever since she announced she was running. 

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Just now, Morphine Prince said:

I think if Clinton had not run he would've gotten it. She was too hard to beat. A big name and she's been in so many positions. She had the upper hand ever since she announced she was running. 

And if Clinton came out of that primary a dominant force, I'd understand where they're coming from. The most current state of the race makes the Clinton choice even more depressing than it was back in primary season. 

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1 minute ago, Morphine Prince said:

I think if Clinton had not run he would've gotten it. She was too hard to beat. A big name and she's been in so many positions. She had the upper hand ever since she announced she was running. 

She wasn't too had to beat. She got beat by a little known Senator in 2008 and almost got beat again by another little known Senator. The problem is, is that when you factor in an extremely biased media (all of whose parent cable network companies are top donors to her campaign) who blacked him out for well over half a year until he started winning primaries, an extremely biased party which violated its bylaws by putting its finger on the scale for her just to "make history" again, Super Delegates that hopped on her bandwagon right from the start (which was wrong and gave the appearance of an insurmountable lead that the media would not distinguish from which misinformed voters of how close the race actually was), massive voter fraud/suppression - he didn't stand a chance because it was not fair from the get go - but he almost won nonetheless

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1 minute ago, LibraLove said:

She wasn't too had to beat. She got beat by a little known Senator in 2008 and almost got beat again by another little known Senator. The problem is, is that when you factor in an extremely biased media (all of whose parent cable network companies are top donors to her campaign) who blacked him out for well over half a year until he started winning primaries, an extremely biased party which violated its bylaws by putting its finger on the scale for her just to "make history" again, Super Delegates that hopped on her bandwagon right from the start (which was wrong and gave the appearance of an insurmountable lead that the media would not distinguish from which misinformed voters of how close the race actually was), massive voter fraud/suppression - he didn't stand a chance because it was not fair from the get go - but he almost won nonetheless

Well, delegates made Obama win. She won the popular vote in 2008. Most Democratic voters wanted her as the nominee. 

However Obama was the more strategic candidate as he did better in swing states, and ended up winning the general election. 

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4 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

And if Clinton came out of that primary a dominant force, I'd understand where they're coming from. The most current state of the race makes the Clinton choice even more depressing than it was back in primary season. 

She was a an obvious liability and weak choice in the primary and that still remains evident today. They took new voters, Independents and millennials for stupid and expected us all to just hop on board with her. Nope. Not when you lie, put down and berate us for an entire year. This is all her and the DNCs fault. A Trump Presidency will be solely their fault.

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3 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Well, delegates made Obama win. She won the popular vote in 2008. Most Democratic voters wanted her as the nominee. 

However Obama was the more strategic candidate as he did better in swing states, and ended up winning the general election. 

All polls showed Bernie did better in a general election = swing states versus Trump whereas she faltered and is faltering on many occasions. The Super Delegates sole duty is to come in and pick the best candidate for the job - the candidate that can actually succeed and win. They did not do that.

*And you can't use the Democratic voters wanted her excuse this year with all the vote tampering, purges, suppression, dependencies in exit polls, reduction in polling locations and distortion that occurred all year long*

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Morphine Prince
1 minute ago, LibraLove said:

All polls showed Bernie did better in a general election = swing states versus Trump whereas she faltered and is faltering on many occasions. The Super Delegates sole duty is to come in and pick the best candidate for the job - the candidate that can actually succeed and win. They did not do that.

Are you sure about that?

Hillary won in many swing states. Why would the DNC pick Bernie? 

I supported Bernie but you have to think of it from the DNC's view. 

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PartySick

I thought Obama already killed the pipeline...or at least halted it :huh:

Either way, it's a dreadful idea and needs to be stopped and/or prevented from ever happening.

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Morphine Prince
1 minute ago, PartySick said:

I thought Obama already killed the pipeline...or at least halted it :huh:

Either way, it's a dreadful idea and needs to be stopped and/or prevented from ever happening.

Temporary. The company building it is not stepping down. 

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LibraLove
3 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Are you sure about that?

Hillary won in many swing states. Why would the DNC pick Bernie? 

I supported Bernie but you have to think of it from the DNC's view. 

She may have "won" in the primaries, but versus Trump in a General Election match-up, Bernie beat him in all swing states by comfortable margins as compared to Hillary, who is now tied or losing to him in many.

The Super Delegates are given their power, because they are top DNC officials - Governors, Presidents and VPs, Congressmen and State Party Chairs. Their duty and sole purpose of that vote that could have changed up until it was cast at the Convention in Philadelphia, is to pick the strongest candidate to face the opposition. That was not Hillary. That was Bernie. But because she is so tied in with the establishment and big donors, they were afraid that they would lose campaign finances for their reelections. Problem is, if you pick a weak, detested, untrusted, scandal wracked candidate like her that can easily lose, that directly affects their reelection chances more than any donors donating would. They had no foresight. 

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1 minute ago, LibraLove said:

She may have "won" in the primaries, but versus Trump in a General Election match-up, Bernie beat him in all swing states by comfortable margins as compared to Hillary, who is now tied or losing to him in many.

The Super Delegates are given their power, because they are top DNC officials - Governors, Presidents and VPs, Congressmen and State Party Chairs. Their duty and sole purpose of that vote that could have changed up until it was cast at the Convention in Philadelphia, is to pick the strongest candidate to face the opposition. That was not Hillary. That was Bernie. But because she is so tied in with the establishment and big donors, they were afraid that they would lose campaign finances for their reelections. Problem is, if you pick a weak, detested, untrusted, scandal wracked candidate like her that can easily lose, that directly affects their reelection chances more than any donors donating would. They had no foresight. 

Well, we'll find out in around 7 weeks, won't we? :reductive:

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