Why are female artists so sexualised?

[Bebe 16,811]

23 minutes ago, RainbowBlonde said:

I've been expecting this argument. You know it's such a convenient excuse. Because they are a 'different'. Huh. 

But what Nino said is true? They express their sexuality differently because men and women are different.

The real question is why people see female expressions of sexuality as lesser or degrading. Justin Bieber can strip off whenever he feels, Nick Jonas can strip off and grab his crotch, Miguel can perform shirtless and rub his body, Zayne can go shirtless and lay down seductively, 5SOS can go naked, Adam Levine can strip naked with a female hand covering his crotch.

Looking at the VMA awards:

Beyonce wears a leotard, Britney wears a leotard, Nicki wears a leotard, Ariana wears a crop top with long pants, Hasely wears a crop top and long pants and Rihanna wore this

Like you have one gif of Beyonce dancing which is completely not reflective of the entire performance and have deemed that these women, dressing relatively normally are sexualising themselves and have described it as negative, demeaning and unnecessary. 

[Manul 7,377]

Many people, women specifically, love feeling sexy and desired. And feeling desired feels empowering. They are doing what makes them feel good and others love it so they keep at it.

You don't have many men doing it because they are boring. And also because not any man can simply wear a thong and twerk around or dance like Bey does and look attractive. It takes a very specific type of body and dance skills for a man to be allowed to do that without turning it to an ugly clown fiesta. But even if they do, by who would a twerking man feel desired?  Their straight girl fans that care about them as "men"? Straight guys that care about chicks? Or lesbians? There is only gays and many male artists are not that so I don't see why they should try to feel desired from us!

Not everything about one gender is 100% adaptable to another no matter what. And it's not unfair or unequal, it's simply logical.

And also I can't with the hypocrisy. This fanbase literally mocks Gaga every single time she dresses up normally and shouts yaaas or whatever when she sexualizes herself, yet for some reason, as soon as any other woman does it, it's because they want to sell themselves and not because of high self confidence and "owning" it. Stop undermining sexy/confident women that aren't Gaga like that.

[RadioIsOurs 13,835]

Just now, jinko said:

1. It's 2016. Times change. I grow up in an era where girls are known for exposing themselves and wearing whatever they want.

- It is 2016 and you still can't grasp the concept that women does stuff independent of how men perceive it. Literally the current times. What kind of reverse Warholian expedition are you in. Also, I think we grew up in the same generation, I don't understand why you're pointing this out.

2. Being sexual might be the new kind of inferiority. And that's based on my observations, since all the boys now want girls to be as sexual as possible for their enjoyment.

- You have got to stop centering your ideas on men. Should women change their views according to what men thinks? That is oppression. That is literally what that are fighting against. 

3. I'm far from being old-fashioned.

- You're not being old fashioned, you're being a misogynist.

4. I don't think women should always be clothed. I've never suggested that, so stop putting words in my mouth.

- If you could just spend a little bit more time comprehending what I wrote, I never put anything in your mouth (I don't think I'd be going anywhere near that, thank you). I was discussing the general societal views on women, so 

5. But I think women should relook at how they want to sexualise themselves if they WANT to be seen as EQUAL.

- Instead of asking women to change how they want to carry, express, and assert themselves, I suggest you take issue with how men react to these things. As I have said, you have got to stop centering your ideas on men. You have got to stop thinking that women should work inside the consciousness, the ideals, the opinions of men. Obviously, there are other ways wherein women can assert and further gender equality, but why must sexuality be an exception? Does it make you uncomfortable? 

Another bottomline to this is live and let live. Stop trying to limit others - gender, race, social standing - based on any ideal. Girls wanna strip? I can respect that. Boys does that too? I can respect that. Why? Because everyone is equal and has free will. 

Stop saying I'm misogynistic! You don't understand what I'm trying to say here. If I don't treat women with respect, I won't be even making this thread! I would just be telling you women should be more open to sex and wear less clothes. That's none of my intentions! I want to have a proper discussion here, and I'm literally getting called out for what I'm against for. I've never said that women should stop being sexual! If they want to, by all ****ing means. But my point is that nobody be pretending that it's supposed to be about being equal, because it no longer is!

[DAVID VOGUER 1,903]

Just now, RainbowBlonde said:

Only when it's from a gay icon 

I don't see Beyonce as I see Nicki... Beyonce uses her sexual side because she is strong and she controls men, not the other way around... On the other side Nicki's acts seems cheap, attention seeking and humiliating. Stars like Kylie, Beyonce, Gaga, Miley are sexual in a good way. Miley mocks sexuality which is so powerful!

[RadioIsOurs 13,835]

6 minutes ago, Bebe said:

But what Nino said is true? They express their sexuality differently because men and women are different.

The real question is why people see female expressions of sexuality as lesser or degrading. Justin Bieber can strip off whenever he feels, Nick Jonas can strip off and grab his crotch, Miguel can perform shirtless and rub his body, Zayne can go shirtless and lay down seductively, 5SOS can go naked, Adam Levine can strip naked with a female hand covering his crotch.

Looking at the VMA awards:

Beyonce wears a leotard, Britney wears a leotard, Nicki wears a leotard, Ariana wears a crop top with long pants and Rihanna wore this

Like you have one gif of Beyonce dancing which is completely not reflective of the entire performance and have deemed that these women, dressing relatively normally are sexualising themselves and have described it as negative and unnecessary. 

Finally, a decent argument where I don't have to be called a ****ing misogynist.

I see your point. But then what I advocate for is to remove that 'difference'. I feel that men should be able to be sexual the same way women are, and still be seen as 'empowering'. Men should be able to twerk and dress revealingly without being judged. Then everything would actually be equal. 

[DAVID VOGUER 1,903]

Just now, RainbowBlonde said:

Finally, a decent argument where I don't have to be called a ****ing misogynist.

I see your point. But then what I advocate for is to remove that 'difference'. I feel that men should be able to be sexual the same way women are, and still be seen as 'empowering'. Men should be able to twerk and dress revealingly without being judged. Then everything would actually be equal. 

well I'm strictly gay and I really really REALLY don't need guys who twerk and dress revealingly and/or butcher/modest pop divas, all the time... it's not how the universe and sexuality works... 

[Bebe 16,811]

Just now, RainbowBlonde said:

Finally, a decent argument where I don't have to be called a ****ing misogynist.

I see your point. But then what I advocate for is to remove that 'difference'. I feel that men should be able to be sexual the same way women are, and still be seen as 'empowering'. Men should be able to twerk and dress revealingly without being judged. Then everything would actually be equal. 

Well sure, I can agree with that. I think part of the reason that's not okay though is because those expressions of sexuality are seen as feminine and therefore society deems them as lesser or as demeaning.

In reality these women are not degrading themselves when they wear leotards or perform a sexy dance, they are expressing their sexuality in a feminine way. 

[RadioIsOurs 13,835]

7 minutes ago, TheLucifer said:

well I'm strictly gay and I really really REALLY don't need guys who twerk and dress revealingly and/or butcher/modest pop divas, all the time... it's not how the universe and sexuality works... 

Isn't that a stubborn POV? Why do they need to have your permission? Just like how women can be sexual on their own terms, it should also be the same for men. If a guy wants to be sexual like women, he should be able to do so without having you judge him for it. 

[PG lol 277]

I completely agree with @RainbowBlonde, and I could write a 500 page thesis on why almost everyone else here is soon wrong.

but just some of my thoughts:

Gaga's sexuality and beyonce's sexuality are ENTIRELY different. This is because it is clear gaga is sexy for herself, this is seen when half the time she dresses like it's halloween and isn't afraid to appear 'ugly' or 'weird'. When gaga does a sexy concept I see it as more sincere.

However for the vast majority of other female pop singers, I don't see any difference between them and the 'sexy' twerking backup dancers in many rapper's (or male singers as a whole) music videos. 

It really irritates me when other pop women claim to be doing it for empowerment, because honestly it seems like it's what their career depends on rather than a stylist choice over which they have fun control. The way I see it, beyonce (sorry for picking on her but it comes to mind :Emma:) is just as famous (if not more so) for her body and curves and ass, than she is for her singing, which just screams 'objectification' to me. 

but I'm interested if @RainbowBlonde agrees with me on the gaga thing or not

[Bebe 16,811]

1 minute ago, TheLucifer said:

well I'm strictly gay and I really really REALLY don't need guys who twerk and dress revealingly and/or butcher/modest pop divas, all the time... it's not how the universe and sexuality works... 

But at the same time... It's not about you really.

It wouldn't be my thing to watch a male top star bare his bum and twerk, but I wouldn't see that as an awful thing. Prince used to bare his bum and shake it around and he was seen as a sex icon too, so obviously the universe and sexuality worked like that at some point 

 

[RadioIsOurs 13,835]

2 minutes ago, Bebe said:

Well sure, I can agree with that. I think part of the reason that's not okay though is because those expressions of sexuality are seen as feminine and therefore society deems them as lesser or as demeaning.

In reality these women are not degrading themselves when they wear leotards or perform a sexy dance, they are expressing their sexuality in a feminine way. 

Perhaps there's so much rage in me that I couldn't express myself clearly. But I never really meant women being sexual as totally degrading. But I just feel that claiming that it is an act of equality is actually infuriating really. 

[RadioIsOurs 13,835]

2 minutes ago, PotatoBanks said:

I completely agree with @RainbowBlonde, and I could write a 500 page thesis on why almost everyone else here is soon wrong.

but just some of my thoughts:

Gaga's sexuality and beyonce's sexuality are ENTIRELY different. This is because it is clear gaga is sexy for herself, this is seen when half the time she dresses like it's halloween and isn't afraid to appear 'ugly' or 'weird'. When gaga does a sexy concept I see it as more sincere.

However for the vast majority of other female pop singers, I don't see any difference between them and the 'sexy' twerking backup dancers in many rapper's (or male singers as a whole) music videos. 

It really irritates me when other pop women claim to be doing it for empowerment, because honestly it seems like it's what their career depends on rather than a stylist choice over which they have fun control. The way I see it, beyonce (sorry for picking on her but it comes to mind :Emma:) is just as famous (if not more so) for her body and curves and ass, than she is for her singing, which just screams 'objectification' to me. 

but I'm interested if @RainbowBlonde agrees with me on the gaga thing or not

I mostly agree with you! But then people would still say that Beyonce is being sexual on her own terms or whatever...

[PG lol 277]

Just now, RainbowBlonde said:

I mostly agree with you! But then people would still say that Beyonce is being sexual on her own terms or whatever...

but it's clearly on Jay Z's (and the patriarchy as a whole)'s terms  her career depends on her being sexy, that's not fair to her or any other woman. 

[DAVID VOGUER 1,903]

1 minute ago, RainbowBlonde said:

Isn't that a stubborn POV? Why do they have need to have your permission? Just like how women can be sexual on their own terms, it should also be the same for men. If they a guy wants to be sexual like women, he should be able to do so without having you judge him for it. 

so actually you are mad because male artists are not as sexual as female ones?

#mess

utopia

juːˈtəʊpɪə/

noun

noun: utopia; plural noun: utopias

an imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect.

synonyms:ideal place, paradise, heaven, heaven on earth, Eden, Garden of Eden, Shangri-La,Elysium, the Elysian Fields, Happy Valley, seventh heaven, idyll, nirvana, bliss; More

antonyms:hell on earth

           also

delusion

dɪˈl(j)uːʒ(ə)n/

noun

noun: delusion; plural noun: delusions

an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

"the delusion of being watched"

synonyms:misapprehension, mistaken impression, false impression, mistaken belief,misconception, misunderstanding, mistake, error, misinterpretation, misconstruction,misbelief; More

the action of deluding or the state of being deluded.

"what a capacity television has for delusion"

synonyms:deception, misleading, deluding, fooling, tricking, trickery, duping

"a web of delusion"

[RadioIsOurs 13,835]

Just now, PotatoBanks said:

but it's clearly on Jay Z's (and the patriarchy as a whole)'s terms  her career depends on her being sexy, that's not fair to her or any other woman. 

Yeah that's kinda true. Sex sells. Beyonce wouldn't be where she is now if she didn't show her butt. But then it has gotten to a point where it becomes 'empowering' to show your butt. Which I guess is fine except for the fact that most of your male counterparts wouldn't have to do all the same things to feel just as empowered...