P!nk normalises Domestic Violence

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2 minutes ago, Bebe said:

No I'm very aware why P!nk made the video  it just has literally nothing to do with anything. So when you keep bringing it up, you keep showing that you are unable to grasp the depth of this conversation

You can continue being concerned with the shallow conversations around P!nk's motivations and intentions behind making these videos but it's just not relevant and exposes your lack of understanding.

During my conversation, I did not talk about Pinks intentions, I talked about why people think its funny and relatable.. if someone will think this might promote domestic abuse or even if it does, it doesnt matter because its was obviously not meant for that. We cant police everything in the world just sow someone might be triggered! you cant make the majority of people live in the standard of stupid or mentally ill people. You can literally find a bad message in every work that ever existed.

[imwoahvicky 4,248]

5 minutes ago, Bebe said:

You said "I would like to believe that she is painting a different picture in 'Please Don't Leave Me'."

You said "She could be focusing on an issue such as gender-based violence. Considering that when it comes to domestic abuse, gender-based violence is usually associating with men inflicting violence towards women and girls, whereas in this situation it's a reversed scenario where women are inflicting violence towards men which is often disregarded. "

But by releasing a video that treats domestic abuse against men as flippant and humorous, she contributes to the problem. She contributes to the problem that domestic violence against men is not serious and can be disregarded. She doesn't paint a different picture in this scenario of yours, she contributes to the same picture.

Um, that was kind of the point about disregarding the violence against men?

Did you even read what I wrote? The point of "Please Dont Leave Me" was to show a gender-based issue that shows how women abusing men isnt taken seriously hence why its 'flippant' and 'humorous'.

You didnt seem to grasp what i was trying to say and just disregarded it

The video focused on what I wrote above. You didnt seem to dig deep about what the video/song was even about and just labeled it as something contributing to domestic abuse and violence when Pink was just trying to paint a picture about a specific issue. 

If you see this as contributing to glamorizing domestic violence then thats you. I believe that wasnt her intentiom and you just judged a book by its cover 

 

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49 minutes ago, Bebe said:

Try clearly is depicting an unhealthy relationship, but how is that relationship being portrayed what is the message of the song and video? She is singing about getting hurt and having to keep getting up and trying. 

The dance is beautiful, it's passionate but it's also very violent. The message of the song is when you playing with fire you are going to get burned, but that you have to keep trying. At the end the lovers embrace sending the message that despite the violence and abuse the 'victim' got up and kept trying - at the end they are now together and happy.

The fighting in the video does not represent violence, it represents struggles and thats how her relationship with her husband is.. she is saying that she will stay with him and keep trying no matter how these struggles are or if it seems like they are not meant together.
 

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5 minutes ago, Scarlet said:

Um, that was kind of the point about disregarding the violence against men?

Did you even read what I wrote? The point of "Please Dont Leave Me" was to show a gender-based issue that shows how women abusing men isnt taken seriously hence why its 'flippant' and 'humorous'.

You didnt seem to grasp what i was trying to say and just disregarded it

The video focused on what I wrote above. You didnt seem to dig deep about what the video/song was even about and just labeled it as something contributing to domestic abuse and violence when Pink was just trying to paint a picture about a specific issue. 

If you see this as contributing to glamorizing domestic violence then thats you. I believe that wasnt her intentiom and you just judged a book by its cover 

 

Also, like I said, art is art. She is going to do what she wants to do obviously since she has the freedom and sometimes art isnt just upfront about it and telling you the meaning about  the entire thing.

The video is quite cryptic indeed. I believe that its not Pinks intentions to normalize domestic abuse, so wouldnt it make more sense to probably dig deeper like I wrote above? Instead of just instantly labeling it as normalizing domestic abuse?

Did you ask yourself why the video was humorous or flippant? Did you bother to think about the meaning as to why the abuse was portrayed that way?

Again, Pink is focusing on gender--based issue like I wrote time and time again but you just labeled it as normalizing domestic abuse 

[Bebe 17,048]

Just now, faysalaaa1 said:

During my conversation, I did not talk about Pinks intentions, I talked about why people think its funny and relatable.. if someone will think this might promote domestic abuse or even if it does, it doesnt matter because its was obviously not meant for that. We cant police everything in the world just sow someone might be triggered! you cant make the majority of people live in the standard of stupid or mentally ill people. You can literally find a bad message in every work that ever existed.

The very first post I quoted you about read:

"Pink is an aggressive person and sometimes can imagine and have a fantasy in her head about how to take revenge and its sometimes nice to  put that out in your art and express it in a creative way so I dont know how this is normalizing abuse!"

That's you talking about her motivations and intentions in making the video.

Even right now you mention her intentions:

"If someone will think this might promote domestic abuse or even if it does, it doesnt matter because its was obviously not meant for that."

That's exactly what I mean when I say you don't grasp the depth of this conversation. P!nk's intentions don't matter. I don't think P!nk intended to send a message that domestic abuse was funny, or glamorous or beautiful. I don't think it was P!nk's intention to normalise domestic abuse. What matters is that these videos do contribute to a culture that undermines the seriousness of domestic abuse against men and teaches women to stay in a abusive relationships and keep trying.

"We cant police everything in the world just sow someone might be triggered! you cant make the majority of people live in the standard of stupid or mentally ill people."

Once again you miss the point  The majority treat violence against men as a flippant issue

http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/10/shocking-social-experiment-shows-people-failing-to-react-to-a-woman-hitting-a-man-5491653/

You keep saying "Most of us know domestic violence is wrong!!!" but it's just NOT true. When P!nk decided to make a video about her fantasies and create a music video where the domestic abuse of a man is seen as funny and non-serious she contributes to a culture that sees the domestic abuse of a man as funny and non-serious.
 

People watch and laugh when men are abused. They treat domestic abuse against men as something that isn't serious and something that is funny. Videos like P!nk's reflect and contribute to this culture.

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So basically what I'm gathering is that its Pinks fault for contributing to normalizing domestic abuse when its not her fault that the viewer doesnt understand the message behind the art/whats shes doing.  

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2 minutes ago, Bebe said:

The very first post I quoted you about read:

"Pink is an aggressive person and sometimes can imagine and have a fantasy in her head about how to take revenge and its sometimes nice to  put that out in your art and express it in a creative way so I dont know how this is normalizing abuse!"

That's you talking about her motivations and intentions in making the video.

Even right now you mention her intentions:

"If someone will think this might promote domestic abuse or even if it does, it doesnt matter because its was obviously not meant for that."

That's exactly what I mean when I say you don't grasp the depth of this conversation. P!nk's intentions don't matter. I don't think P!nk intended to send a message that domestic abuse was funny, or glamorous or beautiful. I don't think it was P!nk's intention to normalise domestic abuse. What matters is that these videos do contribute to a culture that undermines the seriousness of domestic abuse against men and teaches women to stay in a abusive relationships and keep trying.

"We cant police everything in the world just sow someone might be triggered! you cant make the majority of people live in the standard of stupid or mentally ill people."

Once again you miss the point  The majority treat violence against men as a flippant issue

http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/10/shocking-social-experiment-shows-people-failing-to-react-to-a-woman-hitting-a-man-5491653/

You keep saying "Most of us know domestic violence is wrong!!!" but it's just NOT true. When P!nk decided to make a video about her fantasies and create a music video where the domestic abuse of a man is seen as funny and non-serious she contributes to a culture that sees the domestic abuse of a man as funny and non-serious.
 

People watch and laugh when men are abused. They treat domestic abuse against men as something that isn't serious and something that is funny. Videos like P!nk's reflect and contribute to this culture.

I did talk about Pinks intentions but I also talked about about what the video is obviously about and how the majority receive its message.. I dont care what it contributes to, anything can contribute to something I or my work have nothing to do with and I will continue to do it.

[Bebe 17,048]

10 minutes ago, Scarlet said:

Um, that was kind of the point about disregarding the violence against men?

Did you even read what I wrote? The point of "Please Dont Leave Me" was to show a gender-based issue that shows how women abusing men isnt taken seriously hence why its 'flippant' and 'humorous'.

You didnt seem to grasp what i was trying to say and just disregarded it

The video focused on what I wrote above. You didnt seem to dig deep about what the video/song was even about and just labeled it as something contributing to domestic abuse and violence when Pink was just trying to paint a picture about a specific issue. 

If you see this as contributing to glamorizing domestic violence then thats you. I believe that wasnt her intentiom and you just judged a book by its cover 

 

No I understand what you are saying  It's you that seems to fail to understand what I am saying.

"The point of "Please Dont Leave Me" was to show a gender-based issue that shows how women abusing men isnt taken seriously hence why its 'flippant' and 'humorous'."

Do you not understand that by creating a video that shows a woman abusing a man and treating it was flippant and humerous she is CONTRIBUTING to the problem. I cannot believe how you seriously cannot see that there is a problem with how she is depicting violence against men.....

The point was not to show how women abusing men isn't taken seriously, if that was the point then she wouldn't be contributing to the problem by literally depicting the domestic abuse of a man as flippant and humerous. 

Robin Thicke wasn't critiquing a gender based issue with how women are degraded in music video when he decided to 'make fun of it' but creating a video that degraded women. He was contributing to the problem

P!nk isn't critiquing a gender based issue that domestic violence against men isn't taken seriously and laughed at when she makes a video where violence against men isn't taken seriously and is laughed at
 

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3 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

I did talk about Pinks intentions but I also talked about about what the video is obviously about and how the majority receive its message.. I dont care what it contributes to, anything can contribute to something I or my work have nothing to do with and I will continue to do it.

 

I'm sorry, but the message of the videos include:

#1 Domestic abuse against men is something that isn't serious
#2 If you are in a violent relationship you have to keep trying
#3 conflict/violence = love/passion

The majority receive those messages whether you recognise that or not. P!nk isn't the only source of these messages, but they are out there.

5 minutes ago, Scarlet said:

So basically what I'm gathering is that its Pinks fault for contributing to normalizing domestic abuse when its not her fault that the viewer doesnt understand the message behind the art/whats shes doing.  

P!nk is normalising domestic abuse - I don't think she intended to, I don't think she is a shitty person, but the messages she sends in her work are harmful and contribute to a culture that normalises domestic violence.

Think this:

If I say to a boy "You throw like a girl!" I am contributing to a culture that devalues women. I'm contributing to a culture that says women are weak and inferior.

That might not be my intention, but it's implied in my words whether I am aware or not.

[Bebe 17,048]

2 hours ago, Scarlet said:

Also, like I said, art is art. She is going to do what she wants to do obviously since she has the freedom and sometimes art isnt just upfront about it and telling you the meaning about  the entire thing.

The video is quite cryptic indeed. I believe that its not Pinks intentions to normalize domestic abuse, so wouldnt it make more sense to probably dig deeper like I wrote above? Instead of just instantly labeling it as normalizing domestic abuse?

Did you ask yourself why the video was humorous or flippant? Did you bother to think about the meaning as to why the abuse was portrayed that way?

Again, Pink is focusing on gender--based issue like I wrote time and time again but you just labeled it as normalizing domestic abuse 

"I believe that its not Pinks intentions to normalize domestic abuse, so wouldnt it make more sense to probably dig deeper like I wrote above? Instead of just instantly labeling it as normalizing domestic abuse?"

NOBODY IS SAYING IT'S HER INTENT!!! WHY IS THERE THIS WEIRD FOCUS ON HER INTENT??

It's so irrelevant to the conversation but you guys are so fixated on it.

It's not a conscious effort on P!nk's part. I don't think she is trying to send these messages, but she probably holds the same views as a lot of people do. She is a part of the same culture. I don't think she really ever thought "Domestic violence against men is funny and not serious!" and made a video about it. I think she, like a lot of us, holds certain gendered ideas and didn't see how her video normalises domestic abuse. I don't think she thought about the message the video sends, I don't think she thought about how it contributes to a culture that disregards violence against men.

"Did you ask yourself why the video was humorous or flippant? Did you bother to think about the meaning as to why the abuse was portrayed that way?"

Yes, it's portrayed as humerous and flippant because as a society we view violence against men as something funny and flippant. As a society we don't see women as threats, we see women as innocent we think a man should be able to fight back against a woman and we think if he gets hit he probably did something to deserve it!
P!nk portrayed abuse in this way, because she probably didn't even link it to domestic abuse. 

All you guys are talking about is the artists intent, but I've never thought it was P!nk's intent to create a video that normalises domestic abuse. While you two are fixated on whether it was P!nk's intentions to normalise domestic abuse, I'm trying to talk about the messages the finished product sends out. 

I don't think P!nk saw an issue with her writing a song where the only evidence she has for why it's 'True Love 'is that she hates her husband and wants to wrap her hands around his neck.

I don't think P!nk saw an issue with making a 'funny' video about a man getting abused.

I don't think P!nk saw an issue with portraying domestic violence in a dance while singing about how you have to keep getting up and trying.

But there is an issue with all these things, regardless of whether P!nk realised this in the creative process or not. These videos glamorise and normalise domestic abuse whether she intended them to or not.

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7 minutes ago, Bebe said:

If I say to a boy "You throw like a girl!" I am contributing to a culture that devalues women. I'm contributing to a culture that says women are weak and inferior.

That might not be my intention, but it's implied in my words whether I am aware or not.

Women are more weak and inferior to men when it comes to strength

 

 

8 minutes ago, Bebe said:

 

I'm sorry, but the message of the videos include:

#1 Domestic abuse against men is something that isn't serious
#2 If you are in a violent relationship you have to keep trying
#3 conflict/violence = love/passion

 

Please dont leave shows a crazy woman that abuses her partner so he doesnt leave her witch is obviously an artistic way of expressing how she thinks she is crazy and is scared her partner would leave her.

Try is a video about surviving a relationship that is not compatible yet they love each other. The fighting in the video does not represent violence, it represents struggles and thats how her relationship with her husband is.. she is saying that she will stay with him and keep trying no matter how these struggles are or if it seems like they are not meant together.

True love song is the same as try showing that she is annoyed by everything about her husband because they are not compatible yet she loves him so much.

Simple and not harmful lyrics or video that the majority of people easily get so maybe you should look at why you have a different perception from the majority of people.

[Bebe 17,048]

Just now, faysalaaa1 said:

Women are more weak and inferior to men when it comes to strength

 

 

Please dont leave shows a crazy woman that abuses her partner so he doesnt leave her witch is obviously an artistic way of expressing how she thinks she is crazy and is scared her partner would leave her.

Try is a video about surviving a relationship that is not compatible yet they love each other. The fighting in the video does not represent violence, it represents struggles and thats how her relationship with her husband is.. she is saying that she will stay with him and keep trying no matter how these struggles are or if it seems like they are not meant together.

True love song is the same as try showing that she is annoyed by everything about her husband because they are not compatible yet she loves him so much.

Simple and not harmful lyrics or video that the majority of people easily get so maybe you should look at why you have a different perception from the majority of people.

"Please dont leave shows a crazy woman that abuses her partner so he doesnt leave her witch is obviously an artistic way of expressing how she thinks she is crazy and is scared her partner would leave her."

I know all of this. I agree with all of this. This is irrelevant to any points I am making though. 

"Try is a video about surviving a relationship that is not compatible yet they love each other. The fighting in the video does not represent violence, it represents struggles and thats how her relationship with her husband is.. she is saying that she will stay with him and keep trying no matter how these struggles are or if it seems like they are not meant together."

Thanks for this obvious recap, but it is, once again, irrelevant to any of the points I'm making.

"True love song is the same as try showing that she is annoyed by everything about her husband because they are not compatible yet she loves him so much."

This is, once again, highly irrelevant to the conversation.

You are not uncovering deep secrets about these music videos and songs here. There is no point in this conversation if you are going to just keep doing this  How is any of this relevant to what we are discussing?
I am very aware of the plot of these music videos, i'm very aware of what the songs are about.

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3 minutes ago, Bebe said:

"Please dont leave shows a crazy woman that abuses her partner so he doesnt leave her witch is obviously an artistic way of expressing how she thinks she is crazy and is scared her partner would leave her."

I know all of this. I agree with all of this. This is irrelevant to any points I am making though. 

"Try is a video about surviving a relationship that is not compatible yet they love each other. The fighting in the video does not represent violence, it represents struggles and thats how her relationship with her husband is.. she is saying that she will stay with him and keep trying no matter how these struggles are or if it seems like they are not meant together."

Thanks for this obvious recap, but it is, once again, irrelevant to any of the points I'm making.

"True love song is the same as try showing that she is annoyed by everything about her husband because they are not compatible yet she loves him so much."

This is, once again, highly irrelevant to the conversation.

You are not uncovering deep secrets about these music videos and songs here. There is no point in this conversation if you are going to just keep doing this  How is any of this relevant to what we are discussing?
I am very aware of the plot of these music videos, i'm very aware of what the songs are about.

Yes and your problem is that some might interpret it the wrong way?

[Bebe 17,048]

1 hour ago, faysalaaa1 said:

Yes and your problem is that some might interpret it the wrong way?

No, my problem is that within the lyrics and videos she normalises and glamorises domestic violence. I don't think it was her intent, I don't think she realised she was doing so, but she is.

This isn't about anyone misinterpreting anything, this is imbedded within the very texts we are looking at.


In the video for Please Don't Leave Me that:

"shows a crazy woman that abuses her partner so he doesnt leave her witch is obviously an artistic way of expressing how she thinks she is crazy and is scared her partner would leave her."

P!nk treats the subject matter of domestic abuse against men in a very flippant way. In the video the abuse is supposed to be looked at as funny. This glamorised, fantasy version of domestic abuse against men is funny - it's nothing serious it's something we laugh at!

In reality, domestic abuse against men is very serious. One of the problems male victims of domestic violence face is stigma. Not only do less than 10% of male victims ever report abuse - Police, family and friends often don't take the domestic abuse seriously like they should, they don't think men can get abused or they think that it's different to domestic abuse against females.

P!nk contributes to this culture that teaches us that male domestic abuse is not something that is serious or should be taken seriously when she decides to create a music video that depicts domestic abuse towards men as something funny and non serious.

In the lyrics P!nk sings things such as "I can be so mean when I want to be, I am capable of really anything, I can cut you into pieces" a threat that is echoed in real life stories like this where a male victim of domestic violence was faced with a barrage of punches and even the blades of a pair of scissors when trying to leave his girlfriend.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/story-of-domestic-violence-against-men-is-hidden-complicated-and-disputed-20151122-gl55v7.html

P!nk's music video encourages us to laugh at this fantasy case of domestic violence against a man, like how real people in this video laugh when a man is violently abused by a woman in the streets. P!nk contributes to this culture that teaches us to laugh and not take domestic abuse against men seriously.

 

In the video for Try which  

"is a video about surviving a relationship that is not compatible yet they love each other... she is saying that she will stay with him and keep trying no matter how these struggles are or if it seems like they are not meant together."

P!nk combines violent choreography (Based on the Apache dance which is described as a violent "discussion" between a pimp and a prostitute) where she is punched, kicked, choked, thrown to the ground and dragged around with lyrics telling you that when you're burned you have to keep getting up to try again. At the end of this dance the lovers embrace, seemingly happy and in love.

This sends the message that such relationships are normal, and that like Pink if you keep getting up and trying after getting beaten by your partner eventually things will change.

This seems to echo the feelings of women in domestic abuse situations, 

The dancing features movements reminiscent of punching, shoving and even strangling intertwined with tender gestures and sexual embraces. The back and forth behavior modeled in the dancing is illustrative of patterns of abuse that often structure violent relationships.

Violence isn’t usually continuous. It is followed by periods of apology and promises to change. In some cases, perpetrators do change, but unfortunately for most who share Pink’s view that no matter what “you gotta get up and try,” many abusers never change, and so the cycle of abuse continues.

In the song True Love which is P!nk " showing that she is annoyed by everything about her husband because they are not compatible yet she loves him so much."

The evidence P!nk gives for it being true love is that she wants to slap him, choke him and that she hates him so much. Relationships have ups and downs, and negative feelings do not imply an abusive relationship. The problem with this song isn’t the expression of frustration. 

The problem with this song is that she conflates conflict and violence with passion. The lyrics are not "sometimes I want to tear my hair out and scream, but regardless I know it's true love" the lyrics are

"Sometimes I hate every single stupid word you say /Sometimes I wanna slap you in your whole face /…You push all my buttons down... At the same time, I wanna hug you /I wanna wrap my hands around your neck /You’re an asshole but I love you /And you make me so mad I ask myself /Why I’m still here, or where could I go/You’re the only love I’ve ever known/But I hate you/I really hate you, so much/ I think it must be/True love.”

This is eerily similar to statements made by abusers who say they hit their partner because they love them. Their abuse is evidence that it's true love just like P!nk cites her violent feelings and hatred as evidence of her true love "I really hate you, so much, I think it must be, True love."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/28/romina-garcia-teen-video_n_6560530.html

 

P!nk says it must be true love because he pushes all her buttons and he makes her want to slap him and choke him. Abusers say it must be true love because their partner pushes all their buttons and makes them slap and choke their partner.

To be completely clear, having ups and downs in relationships are normal. Occasionally having negative feelings is normal, occasionally feeling frustrated is normal. But negative feelings, conflicts, violent feelings and 'hate' are not evidence of love.

They are the same sort of rationalisations abusers make and they are the same sort of rationalisations that victims of abuse make when they decide to stay.

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12 hours ago, Bebe said:

No, my problem is that within the lyrics and videos she normalises and glamorises domestic violence. I don't think it was her intent, I don't think she realised she was doing so, but she is.

This isn't about anyone misinterpreting anything, this is imbedded within the very texts we are looking at.


In the video for Please Don't Leave Me that:

"shows a crazy woman that abuses her partner so he doesnt leave her witch is obviously an artistic way of expressing how she thinks she is crazy and is scared her partner would leave her."

P!nk treats the subject matter of domestic abuse against men in a very flippant way. In the video the abuse is supposed to be looked at as funny. This glamorised, fantasy version of domestic abuse against men is funny - it's nothing serious it's something we laugh at!

In reality, domestic abuse against men is very serious. One of the problems male victims of domestic violence face is stigma. Not only do less than 10% of male victims ever report abuse - Police, family and friends often don't take the domestic abuse seriously like they should, they don't think men can get abused or they think that it's different to domestic abuse against females.

P!nk contributes to this culture that teaches us that male domestic abuse is not something that is serious or should be taken seriously when she decides to create a music video that depicts domestic abuse towards men as something funny and non serious.

In the lyrics P!nk sings things such as "I can be so mean when I want to be, I am capable of really anything, I can cut you into pieces" a threat that is echoed in real life stories like this where a male victim of domestic violence was faced with a barrage of punches and even the blades of a pair of scissors when trying to leave his girlfriend.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/story-of-domestic-violence-against-men-is-hidden-complicated-and-disputed-20151122-gl55v7.html

P!nk's music video encourages us to laugh at this fantasy case of domestic violence against a man, like how real people in this video laugh when a man is violently abused by a woman in the streets. P!nk contributes to this culture that teaches us to laugh and not take domestic abuse against men seriously.

 

In the video for Try which  

"is a video about surviving a relationship that is not compatible yet they love each other... she is saying that she will stay with him and keep trying no matter how these struggles are or if it seems like they are not meant together."

P!nk combines violent choreography (Based on the Apache dance which is described as a violent "discussion" between a pimp and a prostitute) where she is punched, kicked, choked, thrown to the ground and dragged around with lyrics telling you that when you're burned you have to keep getting up to try again. At the end of this dance the lovers embrace, seemingly happy and in love.

This sends the message that such relationships are normal, and that like Pink if you keep getting up and trying after getting beaten by your partner eventually things will change.

This seems to echo the feelings of women in domestic abuse situations, 

The dancing features movements reminiscent of punching, shoving and even strangling intertwined with tender gestures and sexual embraces. The back and forth behavior modeled in the dancing is illustrative of patterns of abuse that often structure violent relationships.

Violence isn’t usually continuous. It is followed by periods of apology and promises to change. In some cases, perpetrators do change, but unfortunately for most who share Pink’s view that no matter what “you gotta get up and try,” many abusers never change, and so the cycle of abuse continues.

In the song True Love which is P!nk " showing that she is annoyed by everything about her husband because they are not compatible yet she loves him so much."

The evidence P!nk gives for it being true love is that she wants to slap him, choke him and that she hates him so much. Relationships have ups and downs, and negative feelings do not imply an abusive relationship. The problem with this song isn’t the expression of frustration. 

The problem with this song is that she conflates conflict and violence with passion. The lyrics are not "sometimes I want to tear my hair out and scream, but regardless I know it's true love" the lyrics are

"Sometimes I hate every single stupid word you say /Sometimes I wanna slap you in your whole face /…You push all my buttons down... At the same time, I wanna hug you /I wanna wrap my hands around your neck /You’re an asshole but I love you /And you make me so mad I ask myself /Why I’m still here, or where could I go/You’re the only love I’ve ever known/But I hate you/I really hate you, so much/ I think it must be/True love.”

This is eerily similar to statements made by abusers who say they hit their partner because they love them. Their abuse is evidence that it's true love just like P!nk cites her violent feelings and hatred as evidence of her true love "I really hate you, so much, I think it must be, True love."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/28/romina-garcia-teen-video_n_6560530.html

 

P!nk says it must be true love because he pushes all her buttons and he makes her want to slap him and choke him. Abusers say it must be true love because their partner pushes all their buttons and makes them slap and choke their partner.

To be completely clear, having ups and downs in relationships are normal. Occasionally having negative feelings is normal, occasionally feeling frustrated is normal. But negative feelings, conflicts, violent feelings and 'hate' are not evidence of love.

They are the same sort of rationalisations abusers make and they are the same sort of rationalisations that victims of abuse make when they decide to stay.

The reason why this conversation keeps going in circle is because you are not making sense, I told you it was not P!nks intentions or message that she wanted to send and then you said that you knew that.. then I told you that the message that is none violence is obvious to the majority of people and then said you knew that.. so I then asked you that maybe you meant some people might get the wrong message and interpret it the wrong way and you said no and replied with this long comment!

If you know that Pinks intentions was not to support abuse and that people got the real intentions of pink behind her work and did not interpret it as normalizing abuse, then whats your problem?