Carmex 964 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, gagzus said: that's because critical acclaim will keep her here for 30 more years, pop success will simply keep her here for 3 months of her next era if she's lucky. Because a pop album cannot be critically acclaimed? You sound dense, like you have no idea what you're talking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViviLittleM 3 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Let's see his work without Tony Bennett's son & manager. I think he's a good manager anyway. Just a little sensitive but everyone has defaults Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCAR 97 1,038 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Haha this is ridiculous. Everyone was praising him 6 months ago. I'm sure Gaga is the reason this album has been so delayed. Everyone will be praising him all over again once the LG5 lead goes #1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oprah Winfrey 315 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, Carmex said: Much like Gaga herself does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyGagaStan93 129 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Just now, ViviLittleM said: Let's see his work without Tony Bennett's son & manager. I think he's a good manager anyway. Just a little sensitive but everyone has defaults Tony Bennett doesn't have as much promo set in for his eras like the C2C schedule had. Since Tony is older he doesn't even really do extensive tours like the one they did so that's not an excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmex 964 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, OMonster said: I really don't rate Bobby as a manager at all. I think he's completely distracted Gaga from her own self. In my view, she has became someone she is not - and Bobby has encouraged that, believing that he is 'helping'. You can say that this is Gaga in her most authentic form (the jazz, the acting, the lack of controversy) but I strongly disbelieve that. I think Bobby has made Gaga feel that she can no longer be 'Gaga' if she wants to be a credible artist. Under Bobby, her focus has moved from mainstream pop success to critical acclaim - either way, there is a motive. She isn't fully doing her. 'The Fame' is Gaga being her true self. In my opinion, he has drained the Gaga from Gaga. I hate seeing it happen. His attitude towards Little Monsters is also very unappreciative, and I think it's no coincidence that Gaga herself is no longer so attached to us because of this. No, this was not Bobby's doing. Gaga has just simply adapted to the music industry nowadays. Everything is much more simple; dull if you ask me. Nobody wants what Gaga was in '10 anymore, and that's not a bad thing. We're past the 'Gaga' era in pop music. Everyone has shifted from that, you should too. If "The Fame" Gaga was truly Gaga why did she change up her sound so drastically with Born This Way before Bobby was even a thought? You don't know what you're saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagzus 16,086 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Just now, Carmex said: Because a pop album cannot be critically acclaimed? You sound dense, like you have no idea what you're talking about. In the top most critically acclaimed albums of all time it takes 25 listings before there's a pop album and that's Michael Jackson's Thriller. It's the only true Pop album in the top 400 albums with critical acclaim and the majority of critically acclaimed music is Rock, R&B, Alternative Genres or Hip-Hop. So yes my point still stands. Making generic pop won't make her successful long term or a legend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GloZell Green 11,723 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 And also I think what happened today sort of justifies what he did (in a way). Of course, his passive aggressive response wasn't okay, but fans were FLOODING the post with "LG5" and who knows what else, knowing this fan base. He is a great manager though. Look at how she was after ARTPOP and look at her now. People respect her more and know that she can sing thanks to CTC (not all his doing) and the performances, hyping it up a bit and honestly the fact that a simple phrase riled up the fanbase this much shows that we are truly interested in new music. And if the rumored promotional spots are real, we have nothing to worry about. Lady Gaga | Shakira Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nono 3,576 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 minute ago, gagzus said: In the top most critically acclaimed albums of all time it takes 25 listings before there's a pop album and that's Michael Jackson's Thriller. It's the only true Pop album in the top 400 albums with critical acclaim and the majority of critically acclaimed music is Rock, R&B, Alternative Genres or Hip-Hop. So yes my point still stands. Making generic pop won't make her successful long term or a legend. So you are saying that someone that does pop music cant be a legend? Truly messy af Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Oh yes Troy was better, that one that obligated her to make commercial music and sell herself. Bobby managed the CTC era and how it was? Flawless.Amazing promo, she was happy... If it was for a pop album it would've slayed. Do you even have any aknowledge on music bussiness or management? No, right? Then your opinion is invalid because we all don't know what happens behind. I do have a little aknowledge on music bussiness and management because I work on it, and it's not that simple. ¿Qué currículum tiene ésta tarántula? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMonster 14,724 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, Carmex said: No, this was not Bobby's doing. Gaga has just simply adapted to the music industry nowadays. Everything is much more simple; dull if you ask me. Nobody wants what Gaga was in '10 anymore, and that's not a bad thing. We're past the 'Gaga' era in pop music. Everyone has shifted from that, you should too. If "The Fame" Gaga was truly Gaga why did she change up her sound so drastically with Born This Way before Bobby was even a thought? You don't know what you're saying. You don't think I know what I'm saying - but I do; you are the one who isn't sure on what I'm saying. subtext / fantasy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmex 964 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Just now, gagzus said: In the top most critically acclaimed albums of all time it takes 25 listings before there's a pop album and that's Michael Jackson's Thriller. It's the only true Pop album in the top 400 albums with critical acclaim and the majority of critically acclaimed music is Rock, R&B, Alternative Genres or Hip-Hop. So yes my point still stands. Making generic pop won't make her successful long term or a legend. And? All of Gaga's solo studio albums all have the label "pop" under the genre. You act as if she won't be making pop music this time around once again. Nice try though. But pop albums can still be critically acclaimed minus your little grand scheme of things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmex 964 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Just now, OMonster said: You don't think I know what I'm saying - but I do; you are the one who isn't sure on what I'm saying. Nope I know exactly what I'm talking about and YOU'RE the one in here crying about how a MANAGER changed Gaga when Gaga made changes to herself look and sound wise LONG BEFORE Bobby was even a THOUGHT. So poor you embarrassing yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo 7,917 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Wait, what did I miss? Don't visit my profile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nono 3,576 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, KURUSHITOVSKA said: Oh yes Troy was better, that one that obligated her to make commercial music and sell herself. Bobby managed the CTC era and how it was? Flawless.Amazing promo, she was happy... If it was for a pop album it would've slayed. Do you even have any aknowledge on music bussiness or management? No, right? Then your opinion is invalid because we all don't know what happens behind. I do have a little aknowledge on music bussiness and management because I work on it, and it's not that simple. Where did I say that Troy was better? Bobby didnt manage a Big Album era that is a lot harder than C2C which was a lot easier era to do because Tonny is old, and things needed to go slower... and yes I was reaching when I said "he doesnt even know how to manage gaga bookmark me" but I also said I will be watching his every move closely the truth is nobody knows yet how he will manage her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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