hmm 979 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 7 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: What a morning. I stayed up till 3:45 last night watching this and left when Leave was leading by over 200k. Still had faint hope as there was still 200+ results to come through and I hoped it might go the way of the Scottish referendum, but was shocked to discover that we'd left and that the gap was so small. You always hope that whatever decision made will involve a big gap. When it's a small percentage of a difference, there's going to be so much anger and hostility and it'll mean there'll be more votes to come in the future, more obsession with politics, more hassle. No sooner has I come down this morning and say one statement in response to Nicola Sturgeon's claim that it's obvious what the Scottish mean by voting Remain and my dad tries to tell me that I've got it wrong (even though we're all on the same side in my house) despite him misinterpreting what I said and before I know it, my mum and I are shouting at him, I'm in floods of tears and I haven't even so much as had my morning pee yet. Truly, this Brexit vote has brought joy and harmony into the world. I hope you're happy, Leavers. So, yeah, back to Nicola Sturgeon's comments. According to her, it is "undemocratic" that every Scottish constituency voted Remain but are forced into a decision that they don't want and that it is "obvious" that Scotland is strongly considering a move towards independence because of it. I never wanted to chuck something at a tv more in my entire life. Whether she likes it or not, Scotland is a part of the UK, so there is nothing undemocratic about Scotland as a whole being against the verdict because democracy isn't about getting what you want, it's about getting the chance to get what you want but with no guarantee, which is what happened. Secondly, there is no way of knowing what the reasoning behind choosing to remain was for every Scottish voter. Yes, the SNP were encouraging people to remain but people can have different reasons for staying. Myself and everyone I was close to voted No in the referendum and yet, we all voted Remain in this referendum. My aunt actually said: "The only thing that puts me off is the fact that Nicola's telling us to remain as well." But at the end of the day, you have your own mind and are allowed to vote for your own reasons. Who are the SNP to think that they can see into our heads. Yes, while there is a strong connection between No voters also voting Remain, I think the results showed you that a lot of Yes voters wanted to Remain as well, which must mean we have different reasons for our decisions and it has nothing to do with the Scottish referendum at all! 2 different issues, 2 different reasons. No correlation. To think that the Remain vote of every No voter translated into "pro independence" in the SNP's eyes makes me want to start to a riot bearing placards reading: "There's no 'obvious' about it." In Scotland, there was a difference of less than 600k between Leave and Remain. There was a s**tton of people who voted Remain, yes, but an equal s***ton who voted Leave. I notice how, post-referendum, the SNP made it clear that just because almost every constituency voted No overall, we shouldn't let that fool us and that there was hundreds of thousands who voted Yes and some areas were extremely close...but this time, there's no mention of the same thing when its gone their way. Even as a No voter, I wasn't in denial about the result of the Scottish referendum. It was a verdict too close for comfort and it was clear that loads of people would be very angry with the result and it wasn't a clear-cut decision by any means. But all I see from the SNP now is denial - they want to believe literally the whole of Scotland voted a certain way and that's all about it, we all believe in the same thing, no room for interpretation. Which really shows their true colours. You know, as crackpot as Donald Trump is, he did say something that I agree with when he was asked about the possibility of another Scottish referendum. He said that the last time caused so much hostility and it was a bad time and he doesn't know if the people want to go through that again. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. But then he talks about how great it is that Britain took back its country and its borders and he's lost me again. Oh, and don't try to leave, Northern Ireland. How on earth are you going to manage on your own? Scotland's bigger than you and I don't have faith in its ability to be independent - what hope do you have? Jesus, a break-up of one institution and it sets everybody off waving the nationalism flag. This is just devastating. This is not the Britain I know. Nowadays, countries uniting and staying strong together is what makes us flourish. Every country is now a melting pot of nationalities, races, languages, religions, etc. We can't afford to break up and isolate ourselves now that we've established ourselves the way we have. Respecting one another's differences and working together is the only way the world can be secure, financially and physically. Thinking that you know best and are better off on your own is no use when you're a small island with an over-flowing population. All we can hope now is that something positive comes out of all this, that we are proved wrong. But for now, things are looking really bleak and regrets are sinking in, the realisation that this vote was foisted on us much too soon and we weren't educated enough about the facts and consequences of leaving. One thing's from sure, I am "politicked out." I am DONE with this constant voting for this, that and the next thing. I am sick of how our people are turning against one another and starting to view each other as enemies when we live in the same place. This country is on the verge of being torn apart and it's devastating. Why are fighting? We have it so much better than other countries, where there's wars happening. What the hell do we have to complain about? Do you know what I would love? A referendum asking: "Do you want any more referendums within your lifetime?" Guaranteed NO would sweep the board. Also out politicked, exhausted by this referendum and disappointed by the results so haven't really read the post much - just pointing out that the question on Northern Ireland would be reunification with the Republic, not independence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erotica 34,929 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 5 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: I am DONE with this constant voting for this, that and the next thing. I am sick of how our people are turning against one another and starting to view each other as enemies when we live in the same place. This country is on the verge of being torn apart and it's devastating. Why are fighting? We have it so much better than other countries, where there's wars happening. What the hell do we have to complain about? Do you know what I would love? A referendum asking: "Do you want any more referendums within your lifetime?" Guaranteed NO would sweep the board. Exactly, you have it so much better. Be glad that you have referendums and get to have a say instead of politicians deciding everything for you which is the case in many places of the world. Poor is the man whose pleasures depend on the permission of another Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgusPop 4,162 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I love her Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 15,570 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 59 minutes ago, hmm said: Also out politicked, exhausted by this referendum and disappointed by the results so haven't really read the post much - just pointing out that the question on Northern Ireland would be reunification with the Republic, not independence. That's weird, because I saw it billed as independence. God, the media have even got it wrong, now! Wikipedia states: "An independence referendum has been advocated by Northern Ireland's Sinn Féin. Northern Ireland's Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness called for a referendum on Irish reunification following the UK's vote to leave the EU (and Northern Ireland's vote against leaving the EU)." Doesn't that mean they want 2 different things? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmm 979 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said: That's weird, because I saw it billed as independence. God, the media have even got it wrong, now! Wikipedia states: "An independence referendum has been advocated by Northern Ireland's Sinn Féin. Northern Ireland's Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness called for a referendum on Irish reunification following the UK's vote to leave the EU (and Northern Ireland's vote against leaving the EU)." Doesn't that mean they want 2 different things? It does but it just must be an editing error (or the media being idiotic but that's hardly surprising either). Sinn Fein's end goal is Irish reunficiation and always has been since coming to (the power shared) government. Last night's move might have shifted support for that a fraction, particularly for Nationalists (in the Irish sense of the word) and to a lesser extent some Unionists whose motives weren't ideological but it's still as far away as possible. Interestingly though, if what I heard today is right, in contrast to the Scottish question which is called as and when desired (seemingly anyway ), the Good Friday Agreement states that after a first referendum on Northern Ireland's position it would be repeated every seven years until a reunification result is achieved. Independence (as in, neither a part of the UK or Ireland) isn't really an aim for anyone apart from an almost non-existent minority that would hope a third state would finally rid the country of its bigotry and tribal politics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay.P 2,336 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Poor pound Do you hear that? It's poison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 F*ck it, time for an honest/controversial opinion. I voted remain but if anyone is going to leave the EU first and survive, it will be the U.K. . I wish we weren't the first to leave but the E.U. is a sinking ship with outdated regulations that only hold up forward thinking countries. Despite the propaganda facing the U.K., it still remains one of the most liberal places in Europe and the E.U. was simply dragging it's heels. For example, France in terms of equal rights would be miles behind us without the union and we're all fed up of being dragged down by the E.U. Hopefully we bond with the Common Wealth. The U.K. is miles ahead of most of Europe. We simply do not need them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I hope the sane countries in the EU see some sense, escape it and come join us with a better and fairer union. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Just remember, England was flying a Pride flag publicly a long time before many members of the EU. Even though we're ready to leave, I'll be sipping a cocktail with my straight guy friends that I've taken to a Pride festival whilst a majority of you are terrified to come out to your own family. Don't be misleaded by the media. A vote to leave the EU isn't going against you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Gonna post my status here because It's so funny to see how clueless some of you are commenting on the E.U. referendum. You're hoping the U.K. "flops" whilst it was one of the first places in the world to recognise your rights as a member of the LGBT+. Also, whilst there are many issues to work out in the coming years... don't for a second think we aren't willing to support Europe. If Europe ever came under a serious threat, we would be one of the first to send an army out to defend it. Stop believing dramatisations of the world. Politics isn't a stan war. These are human lives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoHeaven23 35,007 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emigrante 9,994 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 9 hours ago, TiphEret said: Well the vote is not binding, but it would be very odd for them to remain anyways. If you look at Norway for example it's not so difficult for EU citizen to get a visa, so maybe the UK will implement such rules, honestly it's hard to tell! Well it's fairly easy to study in Canada .. as long as you can pay as an international students. The visa is not so hard to get. seriously? If so, I'm going to Canada for a little bit at least! Sugar, spice, and everything nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Just now, Emigrante said: seriously? If so, I'm going to Canada for a little bit at least! I don't understand why you're that worried. We don't start leaving until October and then it's a two year process. Chances are you'll be better studying during that period than right now anyway... the fees have been crazy over the last ten years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SissyFromSpace 20,884 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 can someone elaborate to me everything thats happening in 10 words or less. thanks. Barbie elitist - Weaboo - Sissy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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