Mark 4,065 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Countess Katherine Elizabeth Kack 00026 † 10000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer 9,227 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 3 hours ago, Didymus said: Because her character (and name) was based on Elizabeth Báthory. But in the show there was no explanation. Mr March wasn't a Count so it didn't really make sense why she was called the Countess. Not that it's a big issue. I guess you could accept she just called herself that. I love judas SO MUCH but I canʹt look like a copycat of JLO!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkmonstr 6 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 58 minutes ago, etron said: But in the show there was no explanation. Mr March wasn't a Count so it didn't really make sense why she was called the Countess. Not that it's a big issue. I guess you could accept she just called herself that. I always thought she was called the Countess bc she's a vampire?? Like Count Dracula Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 1 hour ago, etron said: But in the show there was no explanation. Mr March wasn't a Count so it didn't really make sense why she was called the Countess. Not that it's a big issue. I guess you could accept she just called herself that. I don't see how that matters So many other things were also unexplained, like how her accent changed so much from her youth character (I'm guessing there's a bit of Hungarian influence there, which would also fortify the connection between her and Báthory). I think it's just for the viewers to make the connection between her name (Elizabeth) and the idea of a countess, which sure would lead many to think of Elizabeth Báthory because of her character. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer 9,227 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, Didymus said: I don't see how that matters So many other things were also unexplained, like how her accent changed so much from her youth character (I'm guessing there's a bit of Hungarian influence there, which would also fortify the connection between her and Báthory). I think it's just for the viewers to make the connection between her name (Elizabeth) and the idea of a countess, which sure would lead many to think of Elizabeth Báthory because of her character. It matters in good storytelling. But you can't really expect much from Ryan Murphy tbh. I love judas SO MUCH but I canʹt look like a copycat of JLO!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avalon x 4,153 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I remember her name being Elizabeth Cortez... but there's no sign of that being true. Where did I hear it then? But to explain 'The Countess'.. what I understood is that it was her Job Title in the Hotel Cortez. She was the Countess of the hotel the same way Chloe Sevigny was called the Governess, if that makes sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 On 6/15/2016 at 5:02 PM, etron said: The real question is, why was she called The Countess? 4 hours ago, Didymus said: Because her character (and name) was based on Elizabeth Báthory. Yeah, the reasoning behind the creators naming her that were a) Bathory reference, and also likely b) Dracula reference (there was a lot of narrative similarities between her and the tragedy of Dracula, and also direct visual tie-in with Nosferatu in the first episode). In the show, however, I don't think it was ever fully explained. In fact, I think it was lightly played for laughs with the sort of tongue-in-cheek prod that it will never be fully mentioned. I mean: Countess: I'm The Countess John Lowe: Countess of what? Countess: With those blue eyes, I'll be The Countess of whatever you like, baby. Donovan, in the background: *puts face in hand in embarrassment* 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 21 minutes ago, Didymus said: I don't see how that matters So many other things were also unexplained, like how her accent changed so much from her youth character (I'm guessing there's a bit of Hungarian influence there, which would also fortify the connection between her and Báthory). I think it's just for the viewers to make the connection between her name (Elizabeth) and the idea of a countess, which sure would lead many to think of Elizabeth Báthory because of her character. There was a BTS video explaining that The Countess would take on kind of different personas with different people, and that we don't really see her true colors until around episode 7. On one hand, I think it's brilliant. On the other hand, it's a total justification for Gaga (and the writers) trying to figure out who The Countess was along the way, lol (I mean, going from 2 episode arc to an 8 episode arc to a whole season arc? bound to have some 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Just now, Miel said: Yeah, the reasoning behind the creators naming her that were a) Bathory reference, and also likely b) Dracula reference (there was a lot of narrative similarities between her and the tragedy of Dracula, and also direct visual tie-in with Nosferatu in the first episode). Well, Báthory was already linked to Dracula (she's also sometimes called Countess Dracula), so that reference is sort of already in the reference to Báthory I guess. 14 minutes ago, etron said: It matters in good storytelling. But you can't really expect much from Ryan Murphy tbh. Agreed about both statements Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Just now, Didymus said: Well, Báthory was already linked to Dracula (she's also sometimes called Countess Dracula), so that reference is sort of already in the reference to Báthory I guess. So deep. How ARTPOP of them 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kabirartfling 9,063 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 5:48 AM, Dangerous Man said: Do gays love D? Good question! Give your love to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisTEAne 21,059 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Miel said: There was a BTS video explaining that The Countess would take on kind of different personas with different people, and that we don't really see her true colors until around episode 7. yep, but in terms of her accent, as a hungarian myself, there is no hungarian influence there, i can assure you. if you hurt taylor swift, i'll hurt you back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, T E A said: yep, but in terms of her accent, as a hungarian myself, there is no hungarian influence there, i can assure you. Ah, I always thought Gaga was going for some sort of European caricature, haha. I don't know what a Hungarian accent sounds like, yet! 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaryJaneHolland 77,348 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Y'all flop fans It's Elizabeth Johnson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisTEAne 21,059 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 55 minutes ago, MaryJaneHolland said: Y'all flop fans It's Elizabeth Johnson clock em. if you hurt taylor swift, i'll hurt you back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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