TIME magazine comes for Taylor Swift and Nicki Minaj

[Didymus 34,379]

16 minutes ago, JDi said:

why always at Gaga's expense? [...] seriously, why are you doing this?

Oh Jesus. People reading too much into it again.

I didn't write that to attack Gaga, I wrote that to remind everyone that you can always find faults in someone's philanthropic efforts when you want to.

You clearly didn't understand the point I was making, which is fine, that probably means it wasn't written as well as it could have been, but no, I didn't write that to put Gaga down, to the contrary, I wrote that to point out that just because you don't make statements about everything related to a certain theme (LGBT+ support in Gaga's case), that doesn't discredit the work you are doing or the entire person and their motives.

16 minutes ago, JDi said:

and of course Swift and Minaj had to. it's not demanding philanthropy. it's demanding the support of the people whose bank accounts your community is the main supporter of.

Well, demanding support and demanding philanthropic support are pretty much the same things to me I don't agree with that. Just because people support you does not mean you should support them back, and can I be frank: a tweet is not support. Disney donating a million dollars is support. Muslim organizations calling for their followers to donate blood is support.

Gaga showing up and making a speech is showing personal support on an emotional level, but to me, that shouldn't be as valued as many people in this thread (and Time Magazine ofc) are pretending it should be. You show emotional support if you wish, but you're not obliged to (not tweeting about Orlando is not equal to not caring). Just like Gaga wasn't obliged to tweet about the five people murdered in a Mexican gay club only a couple of weeks ago - no celebrity cared (nor did mainstream media). Just like no one cared about barely any celebrity showing support for the Lebanon attacks occurring before the Paris ones.

That's why you can't demand that kind of support: celebrities can never show attention to all the issues, so sometimes it's better to just not say anything at all and let your actions do the talking. For Taylor Swift, that's the case, for Nicki it isn't, but I'm not going to tell her how to spend her own money. There are plenty of celebrities who did show support, plenty of non-celebrities who are doing a lot more than they are, I'm satisfied with that and I don't need to bring other people down to make myself seem like a better person even though I'm not doing jack **** to show some actual support that's gonna make a difference. Quit whining about people not doing their piece, and make sure you're doing yours.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

5 minutes ago, JDi said:

I swear you make both some of the strongest and weakest points on this forum

why always at Gaga's expense? do you seriously think you're being realistic when you make (the most invalid) comparisons between her and these beyond fake cash cows? where were you until 2008 when not even ****ing Madonna was vocal (enough) about gay rights?

seriously, why are you doing this?

you know what you said about Baku was stupid. imagine (pun intended) how stupid she would look if she did that... like, hi Europe, you see, we're in Baku right now and this sports spirit celebration thing is cool and all but let me remind you they treat gays like **** here (they were more than generous and nice in my case tho xo) so yeah, the majority of the population here consists of backward homophobic bigots but let's pretend it's not culture and religion but rather just law and I can make real big change, okay? now let me sing born this way real quick. 

the "deluded song" was more than enough to send a message of peace and equality. if it was Minaj or Swift or anyone really, you wont get better than a medley of their latest and We Are the Champions, you know.

...like that one time you said she was ignorant about what was going on on the Gaza strip when she was in Tel Aviv with the Artrave... how ridiculous would that be? it's like going to South Korea and talking about the border. it's ****ing war, and even when the conflict isn't armed there's still tension. more than anything, it's a civil conflict the only solution to which is to forgive and forget all of their nations' history. the most she could do is offer an escape from their homeland's (century-long) reality by putting on a good pop show. there's an abundance of postivie messages in her act. more than in any other pop star's besides MJ and that "deluded" guy,

and of course Swift and Minaj had to. it's not demanding philanthropy. it's demanding the support of the people whose bank accounts your community is the main supporter of.

@Didymus hates Gaga. Pure and simple. I've seen it time and time again. He never says anything nice about her without also insulting her. 

[Pablo 7,796]

So what? It's just a tweet 

[Didymus 34,379]

3 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

@Didymus hates Gaga. Pure and simple. I've seen it time and time again. He never says anything nice about her without also insulting her. 

That is not only wrong, that also hurts my feelings tbh. You know that's not true, you just know it. Anyway, I'd appreciate it if you kept those off-topic, flamebait remarks where they belong: in your head, unspoken.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

Just now, Didymus said:

That is not only wrong, that also hurts my feelings tbh. You know that's not true, you just know it. Anyway, I'd appreciate it if you kept those off-topic, flamebait remarks where they belong: in your head, unspoken.

It's what everyone is thinking though. I know it's not your job to write bad things about Gaga. But from what you write it's the only logical conclusion a person can infer. 

[Didymus 34,379]

1 minute ago, Lord Temptation said:

It's what everyone is thinking though. I know it's not your job to write bad things about Gaga. But from what you write it's the only logical conclusion a person can infer. 

No, it's not what everyone is thinking. If several moderators agree that what you're saying is 100% untrue then clearly that's not the only logical conclusion a person can infer, how dare you.

Ugh, whatever, this is pointless. However, what you're doing is completely against the rules, so keep believing that, but don't post it here. That shouldn't be so hard.

[crisTEAne 21,059]

24 minutes ago, JDi said:

I swear you make both some of the strongest and weakest points on this forum

why always at Gaga's expense? do you seriously think you're being realistic when you make (the most invalid) comparisons between her and these beyond fake cash cows? where were you until 2008 when not even ****ing Madonna was vocal (enough) about gay rights?

seriously, why are you doing this?

you know what you said about Baku was stupid. imagine (pun intended) how stupid she would look if she did that... like, hi Europe, you see, we're in Baku right now and this sports spirit celebration thing is cool and all but let me remind you they treat gays like **** here (they were more than generous and nice in my case tho xo) so yeah, the majority of the population here consists of backward homophobic bigots but let's pretend it's not culture and religion but rather just law and I can make real big change, okay? now let me sing born this way real quick. 

the "deluded song" was more than enough to send a message of peace and equality. if it was Minaj or Swift or anyone really, you wont get better than a medley of their latest and We Are the Champions, you know.

...like that one time you said she was ignorant about what was going on on the Gaza strip when she was in Tel Aviv with the Artrave... what did you expect her to say? it's like going to South Korea and talking about the border. it's ****ing war and even when the conflict isn't armed there's still tension. more than anything, it's a civil conflict the only solution to which is to forgive and forget all of their nations' history. the most she could do is offer an escape from their homeland's (century-long) reality by putting on a good pop show. there's an abundance of positive messages in her act. more than in any other pop star's besides MJ and that "deluded" guy.

and of course Swift and Minaj had to. it's not demanding philanthropy. it's demanding the support of the people whose bank accounts your community is the main supporter of.

[Didymus 34,379]

1 minute ago, T E A said:

Blatant misreading is now tea?

This isn't cool. What you three are doing really isn't cool.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

1 minute ago, Didymus said:

No, it's not what everyone is thinking. If several moderators agree that what you're saying is 100% untrue then clearly that's not the only logical conclusion a person can infer, how dare you.

Ugh, whatever, this is pointless. However, what you're doing is completely against the rules, so keep believing that, but don't post it here. That shouldn't be so hard.

You always drag Gaga when she is already down and being dragged by others. You never compliment her without also saying something bad about her. What else am I to think? Comments are easily copy+paste+able, so we can all see it. It's all there in black and white.

[Didymus 34,379]

Just now, Lord Temptation said:

You never compliment her without also saying something bad about her.

Can you quit making these positive statements pls? That is wildly untrue and not even hard to prove wrong Now can we please agree to end this ridiculous conversation so this thread can stay on-topic? Thanks.

[crisTEAne 21,059]

3 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Blatant misreading is now tea?

This isn't cool. What you three are doing really isn't cool.

i'm not doing anything. i posted a reaction to his comment with which i agree. (plus it's an inside joke between us. )

yes, it's not cool: dragging you is not cool, even though, in my opinion, it is what you're doing to gagz. i chose to ignore your posts for a reason. i have no intention to quote you ever again.

i'll cherish the moments when we were nice to each other and even complimented each other's insights on certain things. goodbye!  

[Harry 26,836]

26 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

It's what everyone is thinking though. I know it's not your job to write bad things about Gaga. But from what you write it's the only logical conclusion a person can infer. 

Speak for yourself, doll. Please don't try and be the authoritative voice for everyone in order to try and make someone feel small. It's not cool.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

9 minutes ago, Harry said:

Speak for yourself, doll. Please don't try and be the authoritative voice for everyone in order to try and make someone feel small. It's not cool.

Well I've been thinking it since I joined this site in December last year but this is the first time I've said anything. I feel like I'm only connecting the dots now, because I generally assume the best in people and never jump to conclusions.

@Didymus actually said that Gaga's tweet was cold. I mean really??? Lady Gaga is cold-hearted now? Really???

Talk about dragging our community's (LGBT) biggest ally. Gaga has been nothing but a furious supporter of LGBT rights in the military, in marriage and in all spheres of life. Since day one.

She even sacrificed her popularity to stand up together with us when she released Born This Way.

Also, @JDi and @T E A also have expressed similar viewpoints to mine so I know I'm not the only one.

[JDi 1,495]

Just now, Didymus said:

I didn't write that to attack Gaga, I wrote that to remind everyone that you can always find faults in someone's phianthropic efforts when you want to.

You clearly didn't understand the point I was making, which is fine, that probably means it wasn't written as well as it could have been, but no, I didn't write that to put Gaga down, to the contrary, I wrote that to point out that just because you don't make statements about everything related to a certain theme (LGBT+ support in Gaga's case), that doesn't discredit the work you are doing or the entire person and their motives.

 

but my point is, why try to find faults in Gaga's when she's obviously the most devoted and genuine of the bunch? it's just nowhere near the case with these two. it doesn't help you prove your point. not to me at least.
 

2 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Well, demanding support and demanding philanthropic support are pretty much the same things to me I don't agree with that. Just because people support you does not mean you should support them back, and can I be frank: a tweet is not support. Disney donating a million dollars is support. Muslim organizations calling for their followers to donate blood is support.

 

come on now. stop being so very correct. what would you do if you were Minaj and you know you wouldn't be able to act like the baddest bitch in the game if it wasn't for the gays buying your music and tickets. and in a time when everyone voices their support for the community and you know that your silence is felt by the majority of your admirers no matter how much they'd try and find an excuse for it... you'd feel bad.

now imagine if you were Gaga and did this... it's just ugly.

 

12 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Gaga showing up and making a speech is showing personal support on an emotional level, but to me, that shouldn't be as valued as many people in this thread (and Time Magazine ofc) are pretending it should be. You show emotional support if you wish, but you're not obliged to (not tweeting about Orlando is not equal to not caring). Just like Gaga wasn't obliged to tweet about the nine people murdered in a Mexican gay club only a couple of weeks ago - no celebrity cared (nor did mainstream media). Just like no one cared about barely any celebrity showing support for the Lebanon attacks occurring before the Paris ones.

That's why you can't demand that kind of support: celebrities can never show attention to all the issues, so sometimes it's better to just not say anything at all and let your actions do the talking. For Taylor Swift, that's the case, for Nicki it isn't, but I'm not going to tell her how to spend her own money. There are plenty of celebrities who did show support, plenty of non-celebrities who are doing a lot more than they are, I'm satisfied with that and I don't need to bring other people down to make myself seem like a better person even though I'm not doing jack **** to show some actual support that's gonna make a difference.

...or the many other shootings or the Ankara bombings also shortly before the Paris attacks... but you said it yourself, the media didn't care and maybe some people are still clueless about those. but when everyone has heard about Orlando and everyone's talking about it (not many substantial debates but still) it's not the same thing if you know people expect you to comment on the situation as well and perhaps say something more than "sending prayers". if you care about human rights you must show you think ahead. not just say this is bad and that totally sucks in some magazine interview just in time for your new release.

I understand your point but you act like an attorney and no one is suing these two. it simply doesn't look good and you get the point of the article. stop pretending it's that stupid. it might be unnecessary but it's true.

and in this particular case pushing for gun restrictions (which is the only "action" I can think of) isn't as important as spreading awareness. sure everyone is aware but it's important to share as how inhuman and absurd you personally view what has been happening. being (completely) desensitized to people's suffering because you have too much of your own hell to deal with is what allows people to go to such extremes. that's why showing the victims' faces and reading their names and sharing their life stories is the best thing that can come out of this at this point. not sending money to relatives a la Swift.

[Didymus 34,379]

5 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

@Didymus actually said that Gaga's tweet was cold. I mean really??? Lady Gaga is cold-hearted now? Really???

That's not what I said.

I never thought the tweet was made cold-heartedly but it just came across that way to me. But anyway, that post is not at all as negative and cruel as so many others in that thread, so this slandering is still very unwarranted imo. Doesn't qualify as "dragging our community's (LGBT) biggest ally" at all, other people were doing that just fine without me.