holy scheisse 22,907 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 56 minutes ago, LG said: I lost my support for Bernie a while ago anyway, I believe that there are no main candidates this year that will be good for the future of America. Bernie is way too taxing on the rich, they do need to pay their fair share but 52% income on the rich is a lot of money to be giving away to the government, especially since there is no cap on how much you pay. Hillary is crazy, so is Trump, so is Cruz. I lean towards Hillary, though, based on her current policies and not on her past. It's not an easy decision I made though Okay. So the rich can stay crazily rich while we all suffer to make ends meet and are taxed 25% on low paying wages Even if a rich person earned 10 mill and had that cut in half 5 mill dollars is more than anybody could dream of spending in a year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
venusfly 17,885 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Just now, holyscheisse said: Okay. So the rich can stay crazily rich hike we all suffer to make ends meet. Even if a rich person earned 10 mill and had that cut in half 5 mill dollars is more than anybody could dream of spending in a year. Not every rich person is some evil old man hoarding money. If you have worked hard to make that kind of money you should not have to lose OVER HALF of it to the government. I believe the rich should be taxed more, but I also believe there should be a final cap on how much a person should pay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himeros26 1,688 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 13 minutes ago, LePetitMonstr said: Who the hell is Jill??? Kinda a gorl version of Bernie. But she's running as independent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LePetitGAGABLover 21,234 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Just now, Himeros26 said: Kinda a gorl version of Bernie. But she's running as independent She will NOT win then. Why would people vote for her lmfao. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy scheisse 22,907 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Just now, LG said: Not every rich person is some evil old man hoarding money. If you have worked hard to make that kind of money you should not have to lose OVER HALF of it to the government. I believe the rich should be taxed more, but I also believe there should be a final cap on how much a person should pay. I'm not saying they're evil. I'm saying their banks are piling up massive amounts of money and it's literally so unnecessary. The mJority of the population live paycheck to paycheck because they're being taxed as harshly as These rich people. And to us it matters, and it forces us to live under poor conditions, but to them it's nothing. They can afford it. They don't need that much money when there is such a poverty and wealth distribution issue in our country. Just my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himeros26 1,688 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Just now, LePetitMonstr said: She will NOT win then. Why would people vote for her lmfao. Because, it's either choosing to get shot in the right eye or left eye with HilLiary and Trump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
venusfly 17,885 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Just now, holyscheisse said: I'm not saying they're evil. I'm saying their banks are piling up massive amounts of money and it's literally so unnecessary. The mJority of the population live paycheck to paycheck because they're being taxed as harshly as These rich people. And to us it matters, and it forces us to live under poor conditions, but to them it's nothing. They can afford it. They don't need that much money when there is such a poverty and wealth distribution issue in our country. Just my opinion. I'm no stranger to not having money, when I was younger my family didn't even make enough money to fall into any UK tax bracket... I think the poor should be taxed less, the rich taxed more, but caps in place on how much you end up paying. I don't think that is unreasonable If a person makes $100m in a year, like Gaga can do, they shouldn't pay out over $50,000,000 in income tax. It would still leave the person with a lot of money, but the feelings of losing that much money overweighs everything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
socotra 3,357 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 30 minutes ago, Ployd said: You really think third party is the best choice when the outcome could be Trump? Yes. 22 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: Those of you saying "Vote Jill Stein" need to re-evaluate your stance tbh. I know when the candidate you support is losing or just lost it's normal to be upset and think like this but after a while I think you all will realize there's only two things you can do if you support Bernie: 1. Vote for Hillary (because she's not Trump). 2. Don't vote (if you're that upset that you cannot fathom voting for Hillary for any reason, however this is also a virtual Trump vote since you are eliminating yourself from the political process you were already a part of, making the margin between Trump and Clinton smaller). I totally understand where you're coming from. I've mulled over it the past few months as Bernie's chances grew grimmer and grimmer. Trump horrifies me, he does... but I refuse to be help hostage by him and be forced into the corner with a woman I see as supercilious and corrupt. The system we have is what has produced Trump, and I don't want to buy into that same system by voting for somebody I do not want. Isn't that what voting is supposed to be? Voting for the candidate you see as best fit to run the country? I do not believe Hillary Clinton is the best fit to run the country. If literally everybody else in the race aside from Clinton and Trump miraculously dropped out and left them solo, then (and only then) would I vote for Clinton. Unless that happened, there are superior options. I understand the stakes. Trump would be a complete disaster. I refuse to violate my beliefs in order to prevent the greater evil. If I have my personal rights stripped as a result, so be it. I understand others don't want that, and that's fine. Perfectly understandable. Personally, I disagree and will be voting my conscience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy scheisse 22,907 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Just now, LG said: I'm no stranger to not having money, when I was younger my family didn't even make enough money to fall into any UK tax bracket... I think the poor should be taxed less, the rich taxed more, but caps in place on how much you end up paying. I don't think that is unreasonable If a person makes $100m in a year, like Gaga can do, they shouldn't pay out over $50,000,000 in income tax. It would still leave the person with a lot of money, but the feelings of losing that much money overweighs everything else. Haha. Well I'll just never defend these rich people or care about their wealth when I'll most likely never see a fraction of their money in my lifetime Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderLevi2 5,849 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Yep. All done i switched to Hillary anyway. Currently listening to Joanne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcoop 628 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Don't worry about those that say they'll vote for Jill over Hillary. It's a VERY VERY VERY small segment of ALL of Bernie supporters. This happens EVERY SINGLE election cycle. The Hillary supporters in 08 refused to vote for Obama and it was going to cost him the election. Guess what? Well you know... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,654 Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share Posted April 27, 2016 32 minutes ago, Legalize Chris said: I refuse to violate my beliefs in order to prevent the greater evil. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices, even going against your beliefs for the greater good (or at least the lesser evil). I'm literally voting for Clinton in November just because she isn't Trump. When she's president I will be criticizing her left and right. She isn't my choice but it's the ONLY choice we have at this point. Not that my vote will matter much anyway since I live in Texas which will probably stay red and Trump will win, or who knows we might be in for a surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 7 minutes ago, mcoop said: Don't worry about those that say they'll vote for Jill over Hillary. It's a VERY VERY VERY small segment of ALL of Bernie supporters. This happens EVERY SINGLE election cycle. The Hillary supporters in 08 refused to vote for Obama and it was going to cost him the election. Guess what? Well you know... Exactly. The majority of people who will actually spend the time and effort to vote will vote for one of the main two candidates. Let the small percentage go vote for a third party. There has always been these types...every election. I hope we don't end up with a Gore/Bush situation, but if we do...we do. Then we will have Trump and a Republican Congress. Won't that be fun! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Biden 5,898 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Morphine Prince said: Those of you saying "Vote Jill Stein" need to re-evaluate your stance tbh. I know when the candidate you support is losing or just lost it's normal to be upset and think like this but after a while I think you all will realize there's only two things you can do if you support Bernie: 1. Vote for Hillary (because she's not Trump). 2. Don't vote (if you're that upset that you cannot fathom voting for Hillary for any reason, however this is also a virtual Trump vote since you are eliminating yourself from the political process you were already a part of, making the margin between Trump and Clinton smaller). No. I'd rather see a third party win some electoral college points, finally proving themselves than vote Hillary. Unless Warren is her vice, I ain't voting Hilldog (I can't vote actually but I'm speaking as if I could) I got drunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
socotra 3,357 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 9 minutes ago, Whispering said: Exactly. The majority of people who will actually spend the time and effort to vote will vote for one of the main two candidates. Let the small percentage go vote for a third party. There has always been these types...every election. I hope we don't end up with a Gore/Bush situation, but if we do...we do. Then we will have Trump and a Republican Congress. Won't that be fun! I'm going to take the time to vote lol that doesn't make any sense... it's like you're knocking Bernie supporters for being lazy and not turning out to vote, but immediately after say "Let the small percentage go vote for a third party." So which is it? Do we not put an effort into voting? What isn't fun is having an oligarchy instead of a democracy. 13 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: Sometimes you have to make sacrifices, even going against your beliefs for the greater good (or at least the lesser evil). I'm literally voting for Clinton in November just because she isn't Trump. When she's president I will be criticizing her left and right. She isn't my choice but it's the ONLY choice we have at this point. Not that my vote will matter much anyway since I live in Texas which will probably stay red and Trump will win, or who knows we might be in for a surprise. And I totally get that and don't blame you for that at all. What I personally hate is the type of people who perpetuate this idea that voting third party is throwing your vote away and it's their fault somebody terrible wins. Maybe if we didn't have such a shitty system in the first place, that wouldn't happen. It just continues the cycle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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